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More Lies About Domestic Violence

Filed under: General — Ministry of Men's Affairs @ 2:21 pm Fri 2nd April 2010

Crime figures were released by NZ police yesterday claiming a 9.2% rise in violent crime driven primarily by an 18.6% reported increase in domestic violence. Yesterday was April Fools Day and it’s sad that we, the NZ public, are being taken for fools concerning such an important social issue.

To her credit, Police Minister Judith Collins (isn’t it so heart-warmingly politically correct for a government to appoint a female to this role?) spoke about domestic violence in gender-neutral terms, and she also pointed to the likely role in the new statistics of increased “reporting” (stimulated by extensive, expensive and sexist domestic violence campaigns that have entertained us for some years now). Of course, it’s a lot more than just increased “reporting”. Those campaigns extended the definition of family violence to cover most ways that men tend to respond to provocation, and a good proportion of the increase in calls to police will have resulted from a “reds under the beds” mentality in which complainants perceived threat or violence in normal, harmless expressions of feelings, opinions or dissatisfactions especially by men.

The real misrepresentation is evident when one notes the definition of “recorded offences” used by the police to generate their figures:

“A recorded offence is defined as one in which an offender is identified by police and dealt with by, for example, being warned, arrested or prosecuted.”

This definition is applied in a context of indoctrination of police by feminist propaganda, mandatory arrest policies in domestic violence call-outs and the ability given to police a few years ago to prosecute people in the absence of any complainant or complainant’s evidence. So what is actually happening is that police are called to “domestic incidents” many of which are simply heated arguments that neighbours feel inconvenienced by so call police, or in which one party uses police as a way to dominate the other in the dispute. The police “identify an offender”, i.e. nearly always the man regardless of what actually happened, and warn him or worse. Hey presto, we have another domestic violence “offence” even though no law was broken and certainly not proven to have been broken.

This creative accounting of DV will also explain the record high “resolution” rate that police claim they achieved. Many of the extra “resolutions” simply consisted of attending a domestic call-out, arbitrarily identifying a man and carrying out a form of immediate vigilante justice against him in the form of a warning often accompanied by pressure on him to leave his home for a time. Hey presto, we have another resolution.

That is not to say that violent crime isn’t increasing in our society. Murder and homicide figures show huge increases and it is difficult to falsify the reality of dead bodies. The most surprising thing is that no reported commentators have considered the likely role that removal of corporal punishment in schools may have had in the steady rise in antisocial behaviour since then. Or that government recently pushed that same failed ideology into our homes still claiming “if we only stop using physical force in disciplining our children, they won’t learn to be violent”. Yeah right.

And one would expect that rates of violence within our families will increase in line with rates of violence in our society generally. But the police statistics are largely fraudulent and it is no credit to the integrity (or perhaps simply the intelligence) of those many politicians and others who commented on the police statistics as if they provided an accurate description of family violence. Those commentators have simply bought into police’s contribution to the huge fraud that is the domestic violence industry, an industry that police of course are a part of.


  1. And Mary is human, and Mary also “dies” in the fetal position iN the shower.


    Comment by Mary Poppins : — Fri 2nd April 2010 @ 5:00 pm

  2. Yes it is.

    It is very sadly sadly sadly ridculous.

    Why or how could an intelligent woman end up fuc_ing even one man after 7 years of tertiaryy education, and could one man, the boss end up here:?

    I AM oK? bUT he uses every resource to F__K ME EVErYDAY. And i thought I could but despite my being able to ride my bike sometimes I think….

    Comment by Mary Poppins : — Fri 2nd April 2010 @ 5:16 pm

  3. Hans, as it’s your post, this is a good time to learn how to monitor comments. When you click ‘edit’ and go to the dashboard page, look down the list under your writing and you’ll come across ‘comments’. Click comments and all will be shown one after the other.

    You can mark the comments that you don’t want either as ‘spam’ or ‘trash’.

    Comment by julie — Fri 2nd April 2010 @ 6:16 pm

  4. Hi big blouse.

    Comment by judge dread — Fri 2nd April 2010 @ 8:08 pm

  5. I’d suggest tick it as ‘spam’. Today has kind of shown that’s all it is…

    Comment by noconfidence — Fri 2nd April 2010 @ 9:05 pm

  6. Judge Dread is computer phobic.
    Hi Jim if this is you, if not then this poster does one of our most loyal warriors a dis-service.

    Comment by Ms IRD Officer — Fri 2nd April 2010 @ 9:30 pm

  7. Bloody hell. She’s even responding to her own posts.

    Does anybody have the name of a good neuro-surgeon?

    Comment by gwallan — Fri 2nd April 2010 @ 9:53 pm

  8. Mary Poppins, I am going to remove most of your posts in this thread because they don’t fit here. If you want to express your pain or ask for help I would encourage you to try other avenues. Lifeline telephone counselling is free though often you have to wait or to try repeatedly before they have someone available to talk to. Some churches provide a counselling service. Your GP may be able to refer you to someone and if you are on a benefit WINZ can help with any costs for counselling. It’s possible that if you ask, someone here might be prepared to communicate with you through private email.

    Sorry that people have not been able to help you much on the MENZ site. Many here are seeking support for various forms of personal and/or political action in order to address their own suffering. I hope that you find someone good to talk to and that things work out well for you.

    Comment by Hans Laven — Fri 2nd April 2010 @ 11:47 pm


    NZ murder record among worst
    By Rachel Grunwell
    4:00 AM Sunday Mar 28, 2010

    The murder and manslaughter of about 100 people a year makes New Zealand one of the most violent countries in the developed world, according to a new independent report.
    New Zealand has been given a “D” rating on a report card prepared by the New Zealand Institute, because of its high rates of violent deaths and child abuse.
    This weekend, the United Nations Human Rights Committee expressed concern at New Zealand’s high rates of child abuse, and recommended the Government encourage reporting of suspected abuse, and ensure the perpetrators are brought to justice.
    According to the New Zealand Institute, only Mexico, Finland, Hungary and the gun-toting US have higher “assault mortality” rates in the 30-member OECD, the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development.
    Australia’s violent killing rate is half that of New Zealand’s, while table leaders Japan and Britain have only a quarter the per capita rate.
    The institute’s study has been two years in the making, and uses a series of measures to make its findings.
    The independent thinktank concluded that assault mortality rates were the “tip of the iceberg of violence in a country”.

    Many people are affected. For every violent death, there are another 1000 violent crimes reported, the Institute reports.
    And family violence accounts for about one-third of assault mortalities – and costs the country $1.2 billion a year in police investigations, criminal trials, jailing the offenders and helping the victims.
    Violence against children accounts for around one third of the deaths – and is rising.
    The institute is an independent think-tank founded in 2004 to investigate long-term improvement of the country’s social, economic and environmental performance.
    The institute’s director Rick Boven labels the D grade “a failure for society as a whole”.
    He expects the grade to be controversial but stands by the analysis: rather than damning the country, he said, the assessment should be used to invigorate debate on how to improve policy.
    “There’s not enough being done to make a difference”.
    Police and Corrections Minister Judith Collins attributed the high violent death rate to those “beating up their families” and those – usually relatives – who turned a blind eye.
    “The people who hit and kill and starve children are who should be blamed,” she said.
    A string of policies to combat violence, from teenage boot camps to on-the-spot police protection orders, were examples of more proactive policing, she said.
    But government agencies were “often the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff”.
    She said New Zealand had a culture of making excuses and blaming government departments, rather than holding violent offenders responsible for their actions.
    Criminologist Greg Newbold, like Collins, was not surprised by the D rating.
    He said Kiwis had to recognise they had a problem, and blamed political correctness for a government failure to deal with “shameful” Maori assault and child abuse statistics.
    He said many children were brought up witnessing violent talk and behaviour and then copying it.
    The Associate Social Development Minister, Tariana Turia, said “we clearly need to do more”, and the $2 million Family Violence Whanau Ora funding should be a step in the right direction.
    “Just as agencies need to be vigilant in identifying situations of risk and following up, so too should all of us take responsibility in our own homes,” she said.
    Sensible Sentencing Trust spokesman Garth McVicar blames lawmakers for more criminals “evolving”.
    He said youth ultimately needed “real consequences” and “earlier consequences” for bad behaviour. Then they might have a hope of being turned around, McVicar said.
    On Wednesday, the New Zealand Institute is to publish a full report card on how this country ranks against others in the OECD on various measures, including our health, education and life expectancy.
    By Rachel Grunwell

    And with the Family Court being able to claim 22 deaths DURING Family Court Proceedings, I put it to one and all, that the Family Court Associated Industry, which includes the lawyers, Judges, the registrars, and the Police are the cause of these increased statistics.

    Sir Robert Peel founder of modern policing in his 9th Principal said:

    9. The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the
    visible evidence of police action in dealing with it.

    Neither the current or the previous Minister of Police understands modern policing and hence the stats are rising, and The Family Court is just an industry making money out of increasing the violence statistics. They don’t give a damn about the kids. The legal aid industry already got ousted by Dame Margaret Bazely’s report, with Minister of Justice Simon Power knowing only too well what goes on on the “Institutionalised/fossilised court-benches”, and in the courts themselves, but only at this stage encouraged resignations from the Legal Aid Board.
    And so the Family Court/violence-promoting industry thrives and thrives, and the Police, the lawyers, the Judges, etc keep on paying their mortgages while families are re-victimised by the Family court-system, and so the stats increase and increase and the Minister of Police, Judith just blames the families, ignores Dame Margaret Bazelies Report, ignores the tennets of Modern Policing, and blames the families, who go to Family Court to get re-victimised…

    In 18 months DURING Family court proceedings, 22 SOULS LOST THEIR BODIES, TO THE FAMILY COURT INDUSTRY (reported Principal Family Court Judge Boshier.
    That is 20-25% deaths happened under Family-Court-Watch. It is the government funded departments that are increasing the violence statistics, and never before have the Police had to fend off so many violent attacks from the public, with their death-rate stats going up also… because they don’t understand modern policing., and they don’t understand the importance of TRANSPARENCY, and obeying requests for information under the Official Information Act 1982, and the Privacy Act….

    When you have NO transparency in government departments, cover-ups flourish, and corruption flourishes and the violence statistics increase and increase…. but eventually the whole system implodes… NZ gets a bad name, the prisons become unsustainable… and all the National MPs currently in power go back overseas from where they came from (70% of National MPs had been living overseas…..).

    Comment by Mary Poppins : — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 10:16 am

  10. When Dr Jan Pryor, left the Families Commission recently, that said reams and reams to me. Dr Jan Pryor was a very feminine looking, vibrant young woman when I was attending her lectures at Auckland University, and my, how she had been aged by this government. She said her reason for leaving, was to spend more time with her family. No, Dr Jan Pryor left because she knew her valuable time was being completely wasted by this government. She was 20,000 leagues above that other woman with the long dangling errings and short skirts…

    Look at the people running this country now: Paula Bennet who should spend more time with her own family rather than bagging other families. Look at her daughter, solo mother, with a violent man as her child’s father, who has just been deported after getting out of jail, and I bet her daughter is still getting the training incentive allowance for her degree course… Oh, and her daughter got done for drinking and driving.

    Then we have the last Police Police Minister, Annette King, who use to blame the full moon for increased violence statistics, but now we have this Police Minister, Judith Collins who says she is not changing her policies even if it does mean violence statistics are going to increase. I think I prefered it when Annette King was blaming the full moon, because at least she saw that there was a problem with violence statistics increasing.

    For Judith Collins, the Police Minister to say she doesn’t care that violence statistics are increasing is MADNESS, UNSUSTAINABLE madness. And she of all people knows that the prisons can not keep up with increasing violence statistics hence why we now have to put prisoners in shipping containers (which I actually think is a good idea – for the portability reasons to fit in with my proposal I posted before, if I was in government).

    Comment by Mary Poppins : — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 12:21 pm

  11. Reply to Nancy (

    ‘one of our most loyal warriors’…Wrong …!!!…I will rephrase that for you Miss Kiwi Femi Nazi Feminist

    ‘one of our most loyal ‘Femi Nazi’ warriors”…That would be more of a accurate description….

    Comment by John Dutchie — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 12:30 pm

  12. go away julie

    Comment by paul — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 12:34 pm

  13. Reply to Mary Poppins

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm….A question for you Miss Hard by Kiwi Feminist…With your so called academic studies at the Feminist University of Auckland, where there are plenty of Kiwi (Femi Nazi) Woman studies ..Are there any so called Men’s Studies available…???????

    I think I already know the answer to that one…

    L.O.L Can every one image the ‘Shock horror’ reaction from the Kiwi Femi Nazis at the Feminism University Auckland,if any Man who would dare to suggest there should be a Men’s course started….He straight away would be called a Evil Male Chauvinist Pig……And be expelled….

    Kind regards John Dutchie

    Comment by John Dutchie — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 12:47 pm

  14. Reply to Mar Poppins

    ‘Oh, I see more manipulation.’…L.M.A.O …Mary the best manipulation and I have ever encountered in my Lifetime were by ‘Evil Kiwi Femi Nazis Feminists’ with there evil Femi Nazi propaganda social engineering spin like Nazi Germany…eg.. ‘All Men are Rapists’…
    Do you want more of your lovely Femi Nazi Feminist quotes Mary…????…I can gladly oblige you, if you wish….

    Kind regards John Dutchie

    Comment by John Dutchie — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 12:57 pm

  15. I’d answer you except then I’d be off topic, and then that would be a reason for deletion. But yes, I still hear your pain, and understand you are still stuck in the fog, and were in the fog when you went to Thailand, and fell in love, in the fog, and hence you come here for help, because you only have 26 months left, and you feel like you are on death row, and hence you shout and shout in the fog for help.

    …. and anyone that has the mis-fortune to have to go to Family Court ends up in the fog, and the lucky ones just go home and take the fetal position in the shower.

    22 souls no longer have their bodies in the last 18 months BECAUSE OF FAMILY COURT.

    Lawyers, and Family Court set up an environment abit like this site sometimes, for men and women to continue the hate, so they can pay their mortgages, and keep on increasing the violence so they can buy 2nd million dollar homes etc etc…
    … and they, the lawyers and the Judges are so happy when an angry man like John Dutchies walks into court, because the longer he continues his anger, the more money they make…. But it’s all UNSUSTAINABLE MADNESS… The National MPs will just move on, back overseas, when the prisons are over-flowing, and you will go to Thailand, and be ruled by your beloved and her family, and you will die in the fog happy, just as long as you can keep the thick fog forever around you.

    Comment by Mary Poppins : — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 1:00 pm

  16. Reply to Mary

    ‘I’d answer you except then I’d be off topic,’…Pure Bollocks and pure Kiwi Femi Nazi Feminist spin …!!!…Answer the damn question…!!! Miss Kiwi Femi Nazi Feminist…..

    John Dutchie

    Comment by John Dutchie — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 1:18 pm

  17. Most of the family murders happen after Family Court intervention. Not before.
    The Family Court intervention is blunt, violent, unfair, unjust, forecful that it produces violence as a result. Family Court does not attempt reconciliation or at least arbitration in a fair way. They always throw the father from his home, strip him of his assets (to be used solely by Madam) and then he is told to hire a lawyer to prove he is innocent or see his children. The Family Court is the problem not the solution. The Family Court today is a mere agency of Women’ refuge. So is the police.

    Comment by tren Christchurch — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 1:21 pm

  18. Reply to Tren

    Spot on…..!!!!!

    Kind regards John Dutchie

    Comment by John Dutchie — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 1:23 pm

  19. Yes, I agree, the Family Court is increasing Violence in this country, and Judith Collins doesn’t care.

    Comment by Mary Poppins : — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 1:32 pm

  20. What do you mean, Paul? I don’t see any contributions here from Julie.

    Comment by Hans Laven — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 1:54 pm

  21. Whoops..

    Warriors are held in respect…Should read as such

    ‘one of our most loyal ‘Femi Nazi’ Gestapo members ”

    John Dutchie

    Comment by John Dutchie — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 1:59 pm

  22. Mary Poppins, you continue to post numerous responses here and I have removed a number of them. Some of your contributions are vaguely relevant but in those few you tend mainly to repeat points you have made before. Some of those points you seem to repeat because you know they provoked others to respond previously (though there’s no evidence you took in anything they said). In my view your participation here is destructive and likely to drive others away. I would much prefer that you find another group to damage.

    Comment by Hans Laven — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 2:10 pm

  23. And I copy everything, so no-one can say “he said/she said” rubbish.

    So don’t try quoting me out of context anymore either.

    Comment by Mary Poppins : — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 2:18 pm

  24. Reply to Mary

    And a question for you Mary…As in ‘Why’ as you have stated in your humble opinion there is a agenda to ‘Bag Kiwi Woman and promote no-Kiwi Woman’…..?????

    ….I will tell one thing Mary, I truly despise and hold Kiwi Feminist/s in utter contempt when they mouth off and preach there vile filth… ‘That All Men are Rapists’…….

    John Dutchie

    Comment by John Dutchie — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 2:22 pm

  25. What is constructive about John Dutchie telling all good kiwi men to go to Thailand and lose all their assets/money to Thai Nationals? I think that sounds very very destructive and bad for the NZ economy.

    I have been stating facts, and not applying wedge politics, or trying to promote/protect the “we hate kiwi-women” club.

    I have been promoting to get out of the fog promoted by the Family Court System, and the general status quo, that does promote wedge-politics, which is Unsustainable in our little Island country.

    Comment by Mary Poppins : — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 2:26 pm

  26. To Hanz (and don’t slot me in the wrong place again),
    What is constructive about John Dutchie telling all good kiwi men to go to Thailand and lose all their assets/money to Thai Nationals? I think that sounds very very destructive and bad for the NZ economy.

    I have been stating facts, and not applying wedge politics, or trying to promote/protect the “we hate kiwi-women” club.

    I have been promoting ‘to get out of the fog’ promoted by the Family Court System, and the general status quo, that does promote wedge-politics, which is Unsustainable in our little Island country.

    Comment by Mary Poppins : — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 2:29 pm

  27. I’ve never heard any feminist say ‘That All Men are Rapists’.

    Copy the link here. If you are going to make destructive propaganda statements like this, then you need to copy the link here, and back it up, because all you are doing is having a destructive influence. I am very concerned about the increasing violence rates, and the rationale that a small minority of men, use to fuel their hate of kiwi-women, so copy your link here. I have never ever heard a feminist doctrine like that before.

    Comment by Mary Poppins : — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 2:34 pm

  28. Reply to Mary

    L.M.A.O…Well, maybe it is your opinion for you are such an expert on Thailand aren’t you Mary,and because you,Mary have actually lived and worked Thailand …Am I correct Mary…???

    No,wrong Mary …..It would destructive for you,Kiwi Femi Nazi Feminists…..What would the Kiwi Femi Nazi Feminist/s Men/Father ‘hating’ party do ….with out Men or Fathers to Hate and prosecute ???????..Pray tell me….??????

    John Dutchie

    Comment by John Dutchie — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 2:36 pm

  29. To John Dutchie,

    Can a Kiwi man own his own castle (house/property) in Thailand, yes or no?

    It is the Kiwi-man’s dream to own his own castle. Is he denied this extention of his masculinity in Thailand? yes or no?

    Comment by Mary Poppins : — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 2:41 pm

  30. Reply to Mary

    What ….!!!…Pardon …!!!Well, here you are Miss Kiwi Femi Nazi Feminist…A famous quote by one of your famous renowned Feminist…..Now, I will await more of your Evil Femi Nazi femisist spin ….!!!!!

    ‘All men are rapists and that’s all they are” — Marilyn French, Authoress; (later, advisoress to Al Gore’s Presidential Campaign.)’

    John Dutchie

    Comment by John Dutchie — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 2:42 pm

  31. Reply to Mary…

    Here you are Mary,down below is more vile and disgusting evil Femi Nazi Feminist quotes for you to appraise…Don’t you dare ever dare challenge me, Mary to say I don’t know what real ‘Feminism’ is all about…I compare these Evil Feminism quotes to the Vile Evil state of Nazi Germany…!!

    John Dutchie

    “As long as some men use physical force to subjugate females, all men need not. The knowledge that some men do suffices to threaten all women. He can beat or kill the woman he claims to love; he can rape women…he can sexually molest his daughters… THE VAST MAJORITY OF MEN IN THE WORLD DO ONE OR MORE OF THE ABOVE.”
    Marilyn French (her emphasis)

    ‘My feelings about men are the result of my experience. I have little sympathy for them. Like a Jew just released from Dachau, I watch the handsome young Nazi soldier fall writhing to the ground with a bullet in his stomach and I look briefly and walk on. I don’t even need to shrug. I simply don’t care. What he was, as a person, I mean, what his shames and yearnings were, simply don’t matter.”
    Marilyn French; The Woman’s Room.

    “All patriarchists exalt the home and family as sacred, demanding it remain inviolate from prying eyes. Men want privacy for their violations of women… All women learn in childhood that women as a sex are men’s prey.”
    Marilyn French

    “All men are rapists and that’s all they are.”
    Marilyn French, Author; (later, advisor to Al Gore’s Presidential Campaign.)

    “We live, I am trying to say, in an epidemic of male violence against women.”
    Katha Pollitt.

    “All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman.”
    Catherine MacKinnon

    “I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He’s just incapable of it.”
    Former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan.

    “The traditional flowers of courtship are the traditional flowers of the grave, delivered to the victim before the kill. The cadaver is dressed up and made up and laid down and ritually violated and consecrated to an eternity of being used.”
    Andrea Dworkin

    “The media treat male assaults on women like rape, beating, and murder of wives and female lovers, or male incest with children, as individual aberrations…obscuring the fact that all male violence toward women is part of a concerted campaign.”
    Marilyn French

    “Probably the only place where a man can feel really secure is in a maximum security prison, except for the imminent threat of release.”
    Germaine Greer.

    “Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience.”
    Catherine Comin, Vassar College. Assistant Dean of Students.

    “Men renounce whatever they have in common with women so as to experience no commonality with women; and what is left…is one piece of flesh a few inches long, the penis. The penis is the man; the man is human; the penis signifies humanity.”
    Andrea Dworkin

    “You grow up with your father holding you down and covering your mouth so another man can make a horrible searing pain between your legs.”
    Catherine MacKinnon (Prominent legal feminist scholar; University of Michigan, & Yale.)

    “Man-hating is everywhere, but everywhere it is twisted and transformed, disguised, tranquilized, and qualified. It coexists, never peacefully, with the love, desire, respect, and need women also feel for men. Always man-hating is shadowed by its milder, more diplomatic and doubtful twin, ambivalence.”
    Judith Levine

    “Men’s sexuality is mean and violent, and men so powerful that they can ‘reach WITHIN women to fuck/construct us from the inside out.’ Satan-like, men possess women, making their wicked fantasies and desires women’s own. A woman who has sex with a man, therefore, does so against her will, ‘even if she does not feel forced.’
    Judith Levine, (explicating comment profiling prevailing misandry.)

    ‘To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he’s a machine, a walking dildo.”
    Scum Manifesto. (Valerie Solanas)

    ((Delaney Nickerson, of the American Coalition for ABUSE AWARENESS, refers to the False Memory Syndrome Foundation as “The Fucking Molesters Society”. (Miami Herald, April 3, 1995) The ACAA is a lobbying group, which includes Ellen Bass (co-author of THE COURAGE TO HEAL), and Rene Frederickson, leading feminist psychotherapist and strong proponent of repressed memory theory.))

    ((At the STONE ANGELS satanic ritual abuse conference in Thunder Bay in February, 1995, the following was contained in the handouts at a conference supported financially by the Ontario Government: FMS stands for: FULL OF MOSTLY SHIT; FOR MORE SADISM; FELONS, MURDERERS, SCUMBALLS; FREQUENT MOLESTERS SOCIETY.))

    “The male is a domestic animal which, if treated with firmness…can be trained to do most things.”
    Jilly Cooper, SCUM (Society For Cutting Up Men.)

    “Women have their faults / men have only two: / everything they say / everything they do.”
    Popular Feminist Graffiti

    “I feel what they feel: man-hating, that volatile admixture of pity, contempt, disgust, envy, alienation, fear, and rage at men. It is hatred not only for the anonymous man who makes sucking noises on the street, not only for the rapist or the judge who acquits him, but for what the Greeks called philo-aphilos, ‘hate in love,’ for the men women share their lives with–husbands, lovers, friends, fathers, brothers, sons, coworkers.”
    Judith Levine, My Enemy, My love

    “There are no boundaries between affectionate sex and slavery in (the male) world. Distinctions between pleasure and danger are academic; the dirty-laundrylist of ‘sex acts’…includes rape, foot binding, fellatio, intercourse, auto eroticism, incest, anal intercourse, use and production of pornography, cunnilingus, sexual harassment, and murder.”
    J. Levine; summarizing comment on the WAS document, (A southern Women’s Writing Collective: Women Against Sex.)

    “All men are good for is fucking, and running over with a truck”.
    Statement made by A University of Maine Feminist Administrator, quoted by Richard Dinsmore, who brought a successful civil suit against the University in the amount of $600,000. Richard had protested the quote; was dismissed thereafter on the grounds of harassment; and responded by bringing suit against the University. 1995 settlement.

    “I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig.”
    Andrea Dworkin; from her book Ice and Fire .

    “Men are rapists, batterers, plunderers, killers; these same men are religious prophets, poets, heroes, figures of romance, adventure, accomplishment, figures ennobled by tragedy and defeat. Men have claimed the earth, called it “Her”. Men ruin Her. Men have airplanes, guns, bombs, poisonous gases, weapons so perverse and deadly that they defy any authentically human imagination.
    Andrea Dworkin, Pornography: Men Possessing Women

    “On the Left, on the Right, in the Middle; Authors, statesmen, thieves; so-called humanists and self-declared fascists; the adventurous and the contemplative, in every realm of male expression and action, violence is experienced and articulated as love and freedom.”
    Andrea Dworkin, Pornography: Men Possessing Women.

    “I was, in reality, bred by my parents as my father’s concubine… What we take for granted as the stability of family life may well depend on the sexual slavery of our children. What’s more, this is a cynical arrangement our institutions have colluded to conceal.”.
    Journalist Sylvia Fraser

    “We are taught, encouraged, moulded by and lulled into accepting a range of false notions about the family. As a source of some of our most profound experiences, it continues to be such an integral part of our emotional lives that it appears beyond criticism. Yet hiding from the truth of family life leaves women and children vulnerable.”
    Canadian Panel on Violence Against Women.

    Catharine MacKinnon ( ) maintains that “the private is a sphere of battery, marital rape and women’s exploited labor.” In this way, privacy and family are reduced to nothing more than aspects of the master plan, which is male domination. Democratic freedoms and the need to keep the state’s nose out of our personal affairs are rendered meaningless. The real reason our society cherishes privacy is because men have invented it as an excuse to conceal their criminality. If people still insist that the traditional family is about love and mutual aid–ideals which, admittedly, are sometimes betrayed–they’re “hiding from the truth.” The family isn’t a place where battery and marital rape sometimes happen but where little else apparently does. Sick men don’t simply molest their daughters, they operate in league with their wives to “breed” them for that purpose.
    Donna Laframboise; The Princess at the Window; (in a critical explication of the Catharine MacKinnon, Gloria Steinhem et al tenets of misandric belief.)

    “I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.”
    Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor.

    “I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection and desire.”
    Robin Morgan

    “And let’s put one lie to rest for all time: the lie that men are oppressed, too, by sexism–the lie that there can be such a thing as ‘men’s liberation groups.’ Oppression is something that one group of people commits against another group, specifically because of a ‘threatening’ characteristic shared by the latter group–skin, color, sex or age, etc. The oppressors are indeed FUCKED UP by being masters, but those masters are not OPPRESSED. Any master has the alternative of divesting himself of sexism or racism–the oppressed have no alternative–for they have no power but to fight. In the long run, Women’s Liberation will of course free men–but in the short run it’s going to cost men a lot of privilege, which no one gives up willingly or easily. Sexism is NOT the fault of women–kill your fathers, not your mothers”.
    Robin Morgan.

    “Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women’s bodies.”
    Andrea Dworkin

    “In a patriarchal society, all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent.”
    Catharine MacKinnon, quoted in Professing Feminism: Cautionary Tales from the Strange World of Women’s Studies.

    “And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant heterosexual (male), it may be mainly a quantitative difference.”
    Susan Griffin, Rape: The All-American Crime.

    “The institution of sexual intercourse is anti-feminist”.
    Ti-Grace Atkinson, Amazon Odyssey (p. 86).

    “(Rape) is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear”.
    Susan Brownmiller, Against Our Will p.6.

    “When a woman reaches orgasm with a man she is only collaborating with the patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression…”
    Sheila Jeffrys.

    From ‘A feminist Dictionary; ed. Kramarae and Triechler, Pandora Press, 1985:

    MALE:…represents a variant of or deviation from the category of female. The first males were mutants…the male sex represents a degeneration and deformity of the female.

    MAN:…an obsolete life form… an ordinary creature who needs to be watched…a contradictory baby-man…

    Letter to editor: “Women’s Turn to Dominate”. “……Clearly you are not yet a free-thinking feminist but rather one of those women who bounce off the male-dominated, male-controlled social structures. Who cares how men feel or what they do or whether they suffer? They have had over 2000 years to dominate and made a complete hash of it. Now it is our turn. My only comment to men is: if you don’t like it, bad luck–and if you get in my way I’ll run you down.”
    Signed: Liberated Women, Boronia Herald-Sun, Melbourne, Australia. 9 Feb., 1996.

    “If the classroom situation is very heteropatriarchal–a large beginning class of 50 to 60 students, say, with few feminist students–I am likely to define my task as largely one of recruitment…of persuading students that women are oppressed,” said Professor Joyce Trebilcot of Washington University, as quoted in Who Stole Feminism: How Women Have Betrayed Women.

    “Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation, and destroy the male sex.”
    Valerie Solana, SCUM Manifesto (Society for Cutting Up Men.)

    Comment by John Dutchie — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 2:55 pm

  32. Sorry John Dutchie,
    You were most likely lead astray by a woman-hating-propagandist:

    Marilyn French(n̩e Edwards) (November 21, 1929 РMay 2, 2009) was an American author. She was born in Brooklyn to E. Charles Edwards and Isabel Hazz Edwards.
    She attended Hofstra University (then Hofstra College) where she also received a master’s degree in English in 1964. She married Robert M. French Jr. in 1950; the couple divorced in 1967. She later attended Harvard University, earning a Ph.D in 1972.[1] Years later she became an instructor at Hofstra University.

    In her work, French asserted that women’s oppression is an intrinsic part of the male-dominated global culture. Beyond Power: On Women, Men and Morals (1985) is a historical examination of the effects of patriarchy on the world.
    French’s 1977 novel, The Women’s Room, follows the lives of Mira and her friends in 1950s and 1960s America, including Val, a militant radical feminist. The novel portrays the details of the lives of women at this time and also the feminist movement of this era in the United States.

    At one point in the book the character Val says “all men are rapists”. This quote has often been incorrectly attributed to Marilyn French herself.

    She was simply an English scholar/writer, trying to sell books but she never ever wrote a book with that title.

    Comment by Mary Poppins : — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 2:56 pm

  33. Dear Mary,


    Kind Regards
    Paul Catton
    (09)271 3020

    Comment by Paul Catton — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 3:00 pm

  34. To John Dutchie,

    Where do you get all this stuff?

    Why do you read all this stuff?

    I don’t like alot of stuff, but it doesn’t mean that I have to read it, or look at it.

    You clearly search out this stuff written by a minority of women, and after already realising that Marilyn French did not write the book, you said she wrote, I am not going to waste my time, sorting out all this other stuff either.

    Sure, a few women hate men, and a few men like you hate all kiwi-women, but while you have time, you need to start filtering out the rubbish that you spew out all too regularly, and get in contact with the truth, for yourself, for yourself, so that one day, you don’t again end up very very angry AGAIN.

    You need to get out of the fog.

    Comment by Mary Poppins : — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 3:24 pm

  35. Violence is on the increase in this country, and I believe the problem is fundamentally because of what’s happening from the top-down, as in everything I have written above. The attitudes do filter from the top down, and I did have a cop tell me once that I “deserved to be beaten up… and that he had been raised by a solomother, and hard on him it was… and so he decided to become a cop….”, and then he threatened to take all my children if I made a complaint … yes I know moderator, I am under moderation.

    The point is, at first I just thought this cop just had baggage, but then I was to read about this sort of stuff again and again in the newspapers, and then when we have the current and the last Police Minister making stupid statements about our increasing rates of violence, well it doesn’t take a genius to realise that the country is being run by stupid people.

    Violence is a community problem, and propaganda (written by a small minority) only fuels the increasing-violence-rates, and makes those who are making money of the Family-court-violence-promoting industry very very happy.

    Comment by Mary Poppins : — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 3:42 pm

  36. What is constructive about John Dutchie telling all good kiwi men to go to Thailand and lose all their assets/money to Thai Nationals? I think that sounds very very destructive and bad for the NZ economy.

    Well the men will be better off in two ways. One if John is to be belived the ones that leave will be better off. Two the shrinking number that stay have more choices.

    The children will be better off because they are considerably less likely to be abused and/or made fatherless.
    The Thai nation (and other destinations) will be better off because not only will they gain money and productive men but also the contacts, skills and know how to improve their economy.

    It is possible that the pressure of the man drought could bring the pendulum swinging back in NZ – although this is not guaranteed and evidence is at best mixed. So there is some potential for improvements in NZ society but it’s only potential.

    Maori men are leaving in droves. This gives them and their children a remarkably better out look. The Maori that stay behind are even worse off. Which is clear in the statstical trends of child abuse and DPB.

    Yes it is very destructive for the NZ economy. Suck it up! It’s already happening and the NZ economy is already suffering. I doubt you realise how significant this already is. It will get much worse yet. This is called consequences. It’s not a new concept for us men. Enjoy!

    Comment by Dave — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 4:10 pm

  37. In Australia they have half the violence rate, so I was going to go there myself.

    But they are selling all their Uranium to the Chinese, who one-day are going to get very very heavy-handed … oh they have already started as in jailing one of the Rio Tinto employees over prices…. so I won’t take my children there either, but yes anyone who stays in this country now, is stupid. Like I said before when Dr Jan Pryor resigned from the Family Commission top post, well that told me everything…..

    I think I’ll go to Fiji, where they have just started clamping down on domestic violence, and it is less of a dictatorship over there than here. Lot of Fiji-men over there want Kiwi-wives, but I’ll be staying single forever, because I’m not into lieing to myself.

    Comment by Mary Poppins : — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 4:20 pm

  38. Reply to Mary

    What …!!!….Pardon me…!!!…L.M.A.O…’You clearly search out this stuff written by a …’minority’….. of women’

    Bollocks…!!!!!. What utter Kiwi Feminist verbal Diarrhea bulls@#t…Yes,I am talking about you Mary…!!!

    Well Hello Miss Kiwi Femi Nazi Feminist to ‘lie’ with your statement ….’Only written by a minority of Woman’…..What a ‘crook of s#@t’….A Typical Kiwi Femi Nazi Feminist aren’t you….???..When you, as a Kiwi Feminist are caught out red handed…You start the typical ‘Femi Nazi’ spin..

    ‘You need to get out of the fog.’…L.M.A.O …Yeah right, Like bloody hell I will,and over my dead body…I will ever,bow down too, submit or be subservient to your Evil Femi Nazi Feminism ……

    John Dutchie

    Comment by John Dutchie — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 4:39 pm

  39. Reply to Mary

    L.M.A.O….Well I happen to know some Fiji Men …Please let me know when want to go to Fiji…I will even pay for your air fare since you are a poor down trodden ‘I the Victim’ Kiwi Feminist…
    Lets see what will happen to you in Fiji, with your Kiwi Femi Nazi Feminism social engineering agenda……L.O.L

    John Dutchie

    Comment by John Dutchie — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 4:52 pm

  40. Reply to gwallen

    ‘Tongue in cheek’…And ‘Just stirring the Pot’….Yep, I do….This ‘neuro-surgeon’ is called a ‘308’ caliber ****** …That will be more then suffice to fix the problem…

    Kind regards John Dutchie

    Comment by John Dutchie — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 4:58 pm

  41. In Fiji, I have my own land, with my own name on my own title, and hence I can be Queen of my castle. I don’t have to marry a Fiji National, like you have to, but yes I get plenty of Fiji men over there offering me their services of all kinds, so no I don’t need any help, because I am on the title BY MYSELF.

    Yes, Fiji is a feminists haven. I could have 24/7 sex all day, with the Fiji boys fanning me all day, and likewise in NZ, but I keep the door closed 24/7, cause there are too many men living in the fog.

    Comment by Mary Poppins : — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 5:08 pm

  42. I rest my case. John Dutchie fuels violence against women.

    Comment by Mary Poppins : — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 5:11 pm

  43. Reply to Mary

    ‘Yes, Fiji is a feminists haven.’ L.M.A.O…Thank you so much Mary, you just confirm that you are a Kiwi Femi Nazi Feminist,beforehand, when you first posted on Menz, you said you were ‘Traditional’ Woman…
    And you think you will survive with your Kiwi Femi Nazi philology in Fiji….Please…Oh,Please.. Do go to Fiji, and take the rest of your Kiwi Femi Nazi Feminist cohorts with you….

    Kind regards to you Miss Kiwi Feminist..John Dutchie

    Comment by John Dutchie — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 5:15 pm

  44. Reply to Mary

    L.M.A.O……Oh,how I do love Kiwi Femi Nazi Feminists…There Feminist ‘Spin’ equals to the propaganda spin from Nazi Germany…Please do carry on Miss Kiwi Feminist..It is so ‘pathetic’….

    John Dutchie

    Comment by John Dutchie — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 5:20 pm

  45. Yes, I am a traditionalist, hence why I don’t have sex 24/7, but there are too many men with too much baggage, like you….

    And hence the relationship is doomed before you even meet the person. My husband came into our relationship baggage-laden, and half the time in his rages, I don’t think he even knew who he was talking to.

    He would rave about his Grandmother telling his Grandfather what to do, and his mother telling his father what to do, and what a waste of space I was, all the same phrases he heard growing up…..

    If I was a true feminist, then yes I’d have sex 24/7.

    Comment by Mary Poppins : — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 5:24 pm

  46. You are good therapy for me John Dutchie. I’d almost marry another Kiwi-man just to annoy you, and put an end to your propaganda, but I’m not taking the bait.

    The more you are here, the more I know how worried you are about Thailand.

    Comment by Mary Poppins : — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 5:31 pm

  47. I did a welding course once and met plenty of kiwi-men there that I could have dated, but then I realised all I wanted was, to know how to “weld”, and as soon as I got the basics I quit the course, and welded to my heart’s content. I got optimum bonding and the best bonding I could get from welding. Very very fulfilling, and wonderful because NO baggage. I converted a shipping container into portable accommodation and felt FULFILLED. Men with baggage are painful. “Aha” I am cured. Thank you John Dutchie, you are a wonderful man for bringing about my cure.

    Men with baggage are painful.

    Comment by Mary Poppins : — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 5:39 pm

  48. I am wondering whether it would be possible to sue family court for it’s continuing child abuse. In my case it is preventing all possible actions (including mediation) to end my children’s current mental abuse. The abuse I have received from the court is ‘expected’, but to see my children being affected… should a person perhaps break the law because the law doesn’t protect it’s citizens ? Hmm.. ponder that one… maybe I’ll make a thread about that one !

    Comment by noconfidence — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 8:27 pm

  49. There is nobody participating here called Hanz

    Comment by Hans Laven — Sat 3rd April 2010 @ 9:15 pm

  50. Reply to Mary

    Mary,just something for you think about here..if you don’t mind… don’t you think there is something very wrong here in New Zealand when a Good customer of the company I work for,who I have know for over ten years and he and I have become very good and close friends,He is a very highly intelligent, caring and a very sensitive Man of good character…as confided in me in saying …He so scared to be left alone in a room with a Child,even with own nephews and cousins in case a False allegation comes heading his way….Don’t you, as a Parent find that very disturbing to hear…I do …And I can understand his sentiments…

    Kind regards John Dutchie

    Comment by John Dutchie — Sun 4th April 2010 @ 2:36 pm

  51. Hi Hans .. I know that this is off topic… but your forum blog unfortunately got hijacked for a time by a “Mary Poppins” This person regularly stalks other blogs and then tries to take them over with her manipulative delusional posts. She also changes in to different ID’s to answer or agree with her original ranting posts. Please see The Hawkes Bay Post Forums as this person has been currently on there. Again I apologise for the off topic intrusion.

    Comment by Mary Roberts — Fri 22nd April 2011 @ 10:46 pm

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