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White Ribbon Campaign misrepresents the facts

Filed under: Domestic Violence — JohnPotter @ 8:13 am Thu 24th November 2011

Today’s Herald has one of the best articles about domestic violence that I’ve ever seen published there.

Tomorrow is White Ribbon Day. This campaign is the public face of the NZ Families Commission’s shameful support of the radical feminist campaign to demonise and discriminate against men.

The only useful function the white ribbon serves is to demonstrate visibly which agencies and social service providers base their work on ideology and covert political agendas rather than evidence-based best practice.

A few elections ago, Peter Dunne attended a meeting of men’s groups in Auckland (and good on him) to discuss his plans for the Families Commission, which he implied was intended to counteract the distorting influence of the Ministry of Women’s Affairs on social policy.

I took the opportunity to ask him what would prevent a feminist ideological capture of his proposed commission, and what safeguards would be in place stop it being yet another source of official funding promoting the feminist, father-free-family agenda.

He responded by telling me that he was aware of the danger, but felt that appointing the right people to run the commission would ensure that it worked as intended. I think the White Ribbon Campaign suggests Mr Dunne was over-optimistic.

Here’s the Herald article:
Bob McCoskrie: Why I won’t be wearing the White Ribbon

If we’re serious about reducing family violence, we need to open both eyes – and tell the truth.

The website says “Violence is endemic within New Zealand. One in three women are victims of violence from a partner”. The first part is right – the second misrepresents the facts.

The claim is based on research which the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) has already ruled as being exaggerated when it was used by the Women’s Refuge for their annual appeal television commercial last year.

If we want to tackle family violence, we all – men, women and children – need to pledge to stop violence towards men, women and children. This is a family violence issue, not a gender issue. We’ll then be telling the full story. And I’ll be first in line to wear the appropriate ribbon.

More info about Family First NZ.


  1. Over-optimistic, you’re too kind, Dunne’s disaster was unrealistic and it put another tax payer budget in the hands of the feminist machine. Worse than that, it takes a private organization to point out that a government organization is using taxpayer money to publish bullshit. How many people do we have before the courts at this time for publishing bullshit and stealing money? Good on Family-First for raising the issue but when will the instigators of this negligence and deception be held accountable. How many MP’s will be wearing a white ribbon tomorrow?

    Comment by Down Under — Thu 24th November 2011 @ 9:36 am

  2. Thanks for posting this John.



    Comment by Scrap_The_CSA — Thu 24th November 2011 @ 9:44 am

  3. We agree with Bob McCoskrie that violence is a family concern, not just an issue of gender. So, we invite Carl Davidson Chief Commissioner of the Families Commission, as a man, to show personal responsibility and leadership and stop abusing the White Ribbon cause. Herald article.

    The campaign is proven as a catalyst for opening discussion about, and encouraging action against, all forms of violence in New Zealand.

    Obviously, it’s so effective we just need to add in a little bit of bullshit embellish the facts, and when someone wants to discuss this we need to shut the issue down as soon as possible.

    It is, at its simplest, a men’s response

    There is good science he says ‘Studies show that men respond more positively to social campaigns when the message they receive is from men, about men, and asking men to stand up and lead.’

    Gee sorry Bob there is obviously something wrong with a man that can spot Wally when he is trying so hard to hide. So what we saying here is that we are not looking for men to lead, we are looking for gullible thinkers to be show ponies in their parade.

    Comment by Down Under — Thu 24th November 2011 @ 2:38 pm

  4. There is good science he says ‘Studies show that men respond more positively to social campaigns when the message they receive is from men, about men, and asking men to stand up and lead.’

    Reading through the NZ Herald comments, I notice that although there are a majority supporting McCostrie’s view, a few obviously feminine voices follow the usual line of refusing to believe anything that implicates female offenders. It is as if a woman accused is ALL women accused.

    I also wonder how long the DV issue will remain visible once women start standing in the dock.

    Which leads me to the uncomfortable conclusion that the ‘men only’ camp may have the right handle on this, albeit for the worst possible reasons. As soon as women are held accountable, they would rather bury the issue rather than see women being brought before the courts. They’re not interested in solutions that bring convictions on women. They would prefer more children died. This is the beast we are confronting. It is uglier than your worst nightmare.

    Comment by rc — Thu 24th November 2011 @ 2:48 pm

  5. ..and while the chief, Carl Davidson is gushing platitudes in the direction of his feminist buddies; he can rest assured he has plenty of backing from the united nations of feminists as well. But it would seem the girls at “u.n. women” are running out of funds and need more donations to further their cause. So there you go Carl; throw some NZ tax dollars their way, just to ensure that all men of all nations continue to suffer the misery borne of false allegations and bigoted research. In case any one is interested in what the u.n. are pleading for –

    NZ Herald: UN calls for funds to end violence against women

    What I did find interesting in this blurb was that the UN has spent 15 years and $US 77 million dollars to make this violence go away. So there you go; another totally successful UN program; we’ve funded another hundred office desks, a hundred jobs for women in New York, yet we still have a problem. Surprise surprise!

    Wonder if the u.n. will still be calling for funds to end domestic violence when they finally wake up to the fact that men are equally as likely to be suffering female initiated violence as well? Probably not; let’s have some starving kids in Ethiopia instead.

    Comment by Bruce S — Thu 24th November 2011 @ 3:27 pm

  6. Thanks for pointing this article out JP.
    It’s heartening to see there’s a journalist prepared to speak out so fairly about NZ domestic violence. It makes a pleasant change.

    Comment by Skeptic — Thu 24th November 2011 @ 4:09 pm

  7. @Skeptic. Who was the journalist?

    Comment by Down Under — Thu 24th November 2011 @ 4:34 pm

  8. It wasn’t by a journalist; Bob McCoskrie wrote it.

    Comment by JohnPotter — Thu 24th November 2011 @ 4:54 pm

  9. Check-OUT – – Onward TOGETHER-4-FAMILY – That is the **WHOLE Natural Biological FAMILY** as Created by God -NOT- UN&Govt lead Eugenics or the Sexually Deviant – :)_Jim

    Comment by Jim Bailey — Thu 24th November 2011 @ 5:03 pm

  10. I am very clear where i stand on Domestic violence.
    If she hits you, leave.
    Don’t accept the usual platitudes thatr follow about how sorry she is, and it’ll never happen again.
    If alcohol is involved (I don’t drink), all the worse for her.
    It’s stop drinking, or I leave.
    I will not tolerate screaming verbal matches; nor the more physical violences.
    I have left women for these acts.

    I have been accused of domestic violence. I have done my time on a programme.
    I have never lifted a finger.
    I will not tolerate any woman committing violence against me.
    Real violence, or any of the imagined violences they attribute to men, per their all-encompassing wheels of violence.
    What’s good for the gander is good for the goose.

    I have never been happier.

    Comment by One mere male ... — Thu 24th November 2011 @ 8:09 pm

  11. JP,
    Thanks for clearing that up. I mistakenly thought Bob McKoskrie was a journalist.
    However, it’s still quite amazing to me that the NZ Herald – home of much feminist hatred, would print something so male sensitive.

    Comment by Skeptic — Thu 24th November 2011 @ 8:40 pm

  12. Never again will i have a woman as a partner,did that for 16 years she went off rails, draged her to concilers tried it all, after that many years of trying to keep it together u grow as a person and in the end was standing outside the box.My x was sleeping with my teenagers friends WTF, now I look back and see it as abuse, hay but that didnt work i didnt give her what she wanted and top myself.So one night a few years ago see set her kick boxing brother on me after i had a conversation with her about or teens of no more voilance and no more drugs on property. Any way her brother attact me on my own poperty beat the shit out of me, never had broken ribs befor wow thay hurt. I Thought i was gona be killed been workin all day and this was a public hoiliday,had a craft knife in my pocket told him get off me he didnt had to do the unthinkable to stay alive.Next i called police told how id been asulted im under arrest. 18 months of police persucqson,protection order,supervised access after $8000 in family lawer,6and a half weeks of prison to an upstanding bisnesman, wow eye opener, $25000 in criminal lawer. Any way i was accuited on self defence but all this distroyed my family, now i see my two young kids but she has brian washed my teens.I stood up and said no to the bad things gess she other ideas.Me my family fort for the right thing but it opened all our eyes to whats going on in the family court and the distuction it is repepping on families.When i was in jail main thing i saw was all the yonger boys cause that what they are coming to me for love and suport cause they had never had a father or figger like me in there life, telling them there alwas a better way than crime, wow realy opend my eyes to see how broken our system is. And for a bunch of feminists to be telling lies about family voilance does my head in its not a gender thing, but god help u if u are inocent and she condemes u then u will experiance how bius or legal system is, but dont give up i didnt after 18 of police persiqucion i was vindicated buy my peers but u wont get that in family court. After the trial i was still seen as a bad man in family court, i would of had to drag the judge to the high court, but sucked up to my ex got everything out of family court cost me an STD haha lucky it was treatable.

    Comment by Danny — Fri 25th November 2011 @ 2:52 am

  13. Lets strike a blow for gender equality!
    Lets give all the female staff at the Families Commission jobs a coal- miners!

    Comment by John Brett — Fri 25th November 2011 @ 7:34 am

  14. Here is the Families Commission warped thinking translated into place in real life. Video.

    Comment by Down Under — Fri 25th November 2011 @ 7:44 am

  15. Sometimes you come accross a song that conveys exactly the message you want to say. This is one of those songs.

    This song is dedicated to all the women out there, (and especially the more violent abusive ones).


    Comment by Phoenix — Fri 25th November 2011 @ 11:32 am

  16. @Phoenix re post #15 – I listened to this song while I was eating beans and rice and laughed so hard I got a bean stuck up inside my nose and can’t get it out now. AAAAAAHHHHHGGGGGG!!!

    Comment by Darryl X — Fri 25th November 2011 @ 12:43 pm

  17. And here is the soap opera that shows that propaganda creates a public perception. Every man in the family court is a criminal. Video.

    Comment by Down Under — Fri 25th November 2011 @ 3:27 pm

  18. Now let’s look a step further. Press release. At the carefully crafted statement.

    Rather than blaming men, White Ribbon shows men how they can be part of the solution. It uses the strength of men to help bring about an end to all violence.

    Typical divide and rule strategy. Those men that support the cause are right, those men in the family court are wrong. What White Ribbon does is to support women abusing children.

    Comment by Down Under — Fri 25th November 2011 @ 3:41 pm

  19. Well all was quite this year on white ribbon maybe the truth is being haerd of the distruction of familys by these orginised family vandils that are assosiated with this gathering. I have to attend my friends ferneral tomorrow who checked out cant help him anymore, but i can help my mate who has’nt seen his kids in over to years poor buger his ex just disapperd wtf . If a man did this he wouid be in jail for kidnapping. Hay any sugestions guys. Yea right those ribbons should be red from all the blood they have spilt men woman and children.

    Comment by Danny — Fri 25th November 2011 @ 11:36 pm

  20. Dunne has won another 3 years in Parliament. I suspect the Families Commission will be history once he retires or otherwise leaves office. I know one of the staff there, she is rad fem.

    Comment by FreeKiwi — Sun 27th November 2011 @ 9:22 pm

  21. This will rock your socks. Sexual violence courts.

    Comment by Down Under — Sat 3rd December 2011 @ 10:38 am

  22. Thanks for the link Down Under (#21).
    Well, what a surprise feminists want to do away with juries.
    Gosh, who would have guessed?
    Another fine idea pushed by mangina journalist Paul Easton.

    Comment by The original SKEPTIC — Sat 3rd December 2011 @ 3:38 pm

  23. The suggests we do away with juries and just use ‘lay assessors’. I don’t think that means getting laid will qualify them! But man-hating and allegiance to feminist ideology probably will.

    It seems a positive thing though that the study calls for restorative justice as an alternative to long jail terms. Even if this call in no way stems from recognizing the misandry in punishing relatively low-harm sex offences through longer imprisonment than most seriously injurious assaults against males, many manslaughters and some murders. No, it’s because women are realizing that constant feminist calls for harsher punishment mean that victims of sex offences now routinely lose the positive contribution of the male offenders in their lives because of long imprisonments.

    Note also the call for ‘more support’ for victims not only of real rape but of the kind of ‘rape’ alleged when women later decide they didn’t really want what they consented to and fully participated in at the time, and for the kind of ‘sexual offences’ involving such things as touching someone’s shoulder or knee but no actual sexual touching or activity at all. And the meaning of ‘more support’ probably means always believing them, further relieving them from any need to provide any evidence other than their claims, and further reducing the right of men to plead ‘not guilty’ without fear of greater punishment, to ask any searching questions in cross-examination, to face their accuser or even to expect the complainant to give a coherent account of the allegations in Court as opposed to relying on a carefully facilitated evidential video interview made at some earlier time.

    Comment by blamemenforall — Sat 3rd December 2011 @ 4:42 pm

  24. Yes blamemenforall (#23),
    I agree with your comments.
    The idea of doing away with juries strikes me as very dangerous.
    Without juries we end up with another kangaroo court like that star chamber the femily caught.
    It would then just be a case of filling the proposed jurie-less ‘court’ with little judges and lay assessors obedient to feminist ideology – who get paid large sums of money for their obedience.

    Comment by The original SKEPTIC — Sat 3rd December 2011 @ 4:54 pm

  25. All I can see with this press release is yet more reasons for men to go their own way. The more of this nonsense happens, the more dangerous and unwise relationships with women become and the more going our own way appeals.

    Comment by Phoenix — Sat 3rd December 2011 @ 4:54 pm

  26. Yep Pheonix,
    MGTOW is a very powerful antidote to feminist culture.
    It reminds me of avoiding Borderline Personality Disordered folks – commonly known as assholes – something I’ve just finished reading about here.

    Comment by Skeptic — Sat 3rd December 2011 @ 5:02 pm

  27. @Skeptik – Aren’t most women personality disordered? Histrionic, Borderline and even narcissistic. I mean, wheneven I read descriptions of personality disorders, the first thought that comes to my mind is just about every woman I’ve ever known. Some men, but almost all women. It amazes me how the psychiatric community can be so completely blind to the characteristics which define and entire sex or population and they ignore it just because it is common and chronic. Yet they can pathologize men who do not have these characteristics or express them acutely in response to extreme stress (like imposition by a woman who has a chronic problem). That’s not a problem. The problem is those who are chronic, mostly women.

    Comment by Darryl X — Sun 4th December 2011 @ 4:49 am

  28. The country can save some taxpayers money. Who needs a department of women’s affairs; the law commission is looking after that now. Here we go on another slippery slope. Look at the evolution of domestic violence and how the extended definition has spiraled out of control to mean whatever suits the case. Look at the evolution of the family court where judges became courtroom ornaments while her lawyer presented her list of demands. This is the same generic, giving legal legitimacy and enforcement to an unquantified peice of legislation.

    With the concept of parliament passing vague and undefined legislation to be evolved by non-legal experts – our ‘Law Commission’ is endorsing anarchy.

    Restorative justice will be nothing more than another mechanism for the transfer of money from female to male, but behind that will be a shadow of threats and intimidation in workplaces and schools. The thinking behind this should be exposed for what it is because it won’t end up a failed experiment like the family court it will be a social disaster. Who in their right mind would want to raise a child in this sort of social environment?

    Comment by Down Under — Sun 4th December 2011 @ 9:44 am

  29. who is jane parlane?

    and what charities does she work for??

    Comment by kiran jiharr — Mon 19th December 2011 @ 3:38 pm

  30. Yeah, what a laugh. This stupid woman doesn’t seem to realise that most charities are started by men in the first place.

    Comment by Phoenix — Mon 19th December 2011 @ 3:48 pm

  31. Such a great article!! Spot on. I love the sentecne “And if we’re serious about reducing family violence, we need to open both eyes – and tell the truth.” Why is society SO blind to men being the victims?!

    Comment by Tania — Sat 19th May 2012 @ 11:20 pm

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