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Filed under: General — Ministry of Men's Affairs @ 2:56 pm Sun 22nd April 2012

FYI, emails I wrote in response to an article in this weekend’s Herald. I might add that the most common form of mumtrepeneurship continues to involve using children to have one’s lifestyle funded.

Dear Associate Professor Mueller
In a NZ Herald article (There’s no place like Mum’s biz, by Susan Edmunds, dated 22/04/12) you are quoted as stating “while most men seek self-employment as a result of trauma, such as losing their jobs, women tend to look at it as a better way to get a work/life balance”. Did this claim arise from research or was it based on your impressions? Can you direct me to any research underlying your claim?
In my experience men generally make decisions about employment based primarily on the needs of their families, and men who move into self-employment are always motivated by a wish to improve work/life balance even when such decisions arise after redundancy etc.
The article went on to quote you as stating “”Even a husband can be a ‘child’ sometimes in terms of neediness. Family considerations in general drive self-employment for women.”
What motivated you to contribute to the spread of such demeaning views of men and fathers? Were you hoping to gain favour with female seniors in your place of employment? Or perhaps you have simply been captured by the feminist ideology and anti-male hate speech that has been rife at the University of Waikato.
I don’t believe there is any good basis for creating an impression that women think more about families in their employment decisions than do men. Men work hard to provide for their families, sacrificing their own needs in the most dangerous, dirty, uncomfortable, body-wrecking, injurious and fatal jobs required to maintain the infrastructure of our privileged lifestyle. Year after year men contribute almost 100% of workplace deaths and the vast majority of workplace serious injuries. All the examples given in Ms Edmunds’ article involved mothers pursuing self-employment roles that were physically comfortable and safe, motivated by personal desires to enjoy more time with their children, seeing their children reach developmental milestones etc. All credit to them but there was no need to denigrate fathers. Most fathers miss out on such joys as they take responsibility for primary financial provision.
Yours faithfully
Hans Laven

Dear Ms Edmunds

Your pro-femaleist article “There’s no place like Mum’s biz” (NZ Herald, 22/04/12) was a disgraceful display of sexism in the following ways:

1. You made no mention of the supportive role of the women’s husbands whose willingess to keep working outside the home meant missing out on the enjoyment of spending time with children, being there when they reach milestones etc, in order to maintain financial provision allowing their partners the luxury of getting employers off their backs and setting up their own boutique businesses. The jobs men tend to do do in providing such support are the most dangerous, dirty, uncomfortable, body-wrecking, injurious and fatal jobs required to maintain the infrastructure for our privileged lifestyle. Yet you failed to acknowledge that the self-employed roles pursued by women tend to be safe and comfortable activities. Even after separation mothers are assisted in setting up self-employment through the funding of their lifestyles by child tax either paid directly or to fund a generous DPB system.

2. You included denigrating comments about men (made by Assoc Prof Mueller), claims of ‘glass ceilings’ and employment discrimination against women. Yet the specific examples you provided of employment discrimination involved female firms either blatantly or sneakily maintaining sexist hiring practices favouring women. Your implicit support for such sexism was duplicitous.

Yours faithfully

Hans Laven


  1. Reply to Hans

    …. Beautifully written Hans…A big thank to you Hans,would you mind if I forward your post to my young adult Daughter….?????

    Kind regards John Dutchie …Free at long last

    Comment by John Dutchie — Sun 22nd April 2012 @ 3:02 pm

  2. Thank -you Hans.

    This misandric drivel is utterly to be expected from out of Waikato University,social sciences dept.
    The level of projection masquerading as research remains constant.
    I see they’re onto their third generation of feminist quackademics there. It’s ingrained demonizing of males is becoming quite legendary.

    You do well to challenge it forcibly.
    Although I think they’re probably by now so utterly deluded you’re wasting keyboard time talking to them.
    Good you put it out for the general public who read MENZ to see though.

    Folks, Don’t waste your money becoming a social sciences student at Waikato University.
    It’s a provincial small minded anti male place.
    You deserve a better education than that.
    Research other universities and check out the staff credentials first to ensure you get value for money instead of feminist ideology.

    Comment by Skeptic — Sun 22nd April 2012 @ 4:26 pm

  3. Reply to Skeptic #2

    And why do you think my young adult Daughter quit a particular University in N.Z and departed N.Z to a Male friendly European country to continue her Masters degree….

    reason one… why my daughter left NZ…..My daughter was approached by a group of Kiwi Feminist students, they wanted my daughter to join there feminist movement and fight the ‘Male oppression in NZ’ …

    My Daughter let ripped and told them in no uncertain terms what she thought of there ‘feminism’…

    Then them beloved Gestapo Kiwi feminist students started to bully my daughter,two of them vile Kiwi feminist students decide to physical push her,for they didn’t appreciate her loud vocal views on feminism …

    A very bad move on there part,they payed very dearly there mistake…. my Daughter,and likewise my son they are both ‘black belt’ in Karate..

    Lets say after that ‘alternation’ they left my daughter alone…

    Second reason was thus….But the Kiwi Feminist tutors employed at that university weren’t impressed once they heard about my daughter altercation with Kiwi feminists students and in there ultimate wisdom, decided to make life very difficult for my daughter..

    Thus, the dice was cast…My Daughter had to leave.

    But it all turn out to be blessing in disguise for my daughter,she is so happy and contented where she is now…And she has met her prince charming too…so its a double win for her,and for me too….

    Kind regards to you Skeptic….John Dutchie… Free at long last

    Comment by John Dutchie — Sun 22nd April 2012 @ 6:43 pm

  4. the only oppression in nz is the female opression over the male..they cause most of the shit and dramas they complain about..they manufacture their own dramas and excuses

    Comment by ford — Sun 22nd April 2012 @ 7:39 pm

  5. Can a vengeful and vindictive woman be charged in a criminal jursidiction for making false allegations in the “civil” Family Court?

    Comment by dad4justice — Mon 23rd April 2012 @ 6:16 am

  6. Reply to dad4justice #5

    Your comment of ‘Can a vengeful and vindictive woman’….I hope you don’t mind dad4justice,I would to like add a few words to your above comment…

    Can a vengeful and vindictive…. ‘Kiwi’….. woman be charged in a criminal jursidiction for making false allegations in the ‘civil’ Family Court?

    What I seen and experienced though out NZ society, the answer is definite ‘No’…The Kiwi woman ‘pussy pass’ mentality of ‘I am the victim’ syndrome is a valid excuse in N.Z society

    Kind regards John Dutchie Free at long last

    Comment by John Dutchie — Mon 23rd April 2012 @ 8:19 am

  7. #5..after 17 yrs of manipulation and bullshit at the hands of the X with the courts help the scum now wants to rip the kids out from underneath me and move to aussie..they are 16 and 17 now and ive been with them since they were born and theres not a damn thing i can do because now they are at an age the courts pretty much wont do anything as they never have and she has had a free run to play her fucked up headgames..different story when/if its me..i get dragged over the coals and always risk losing them completely if i dont comply to her demands..fucken scabby dog

    Comment by ford — Mon 23rd April 2012 @ 5:12 pm

  8. At that age they will be starting to realise for themselves what is happening. You can’t protect them forever, like other things in life failure can be a good teacher, even if it is their mother. Sad as that might be for young men right now, that is the way the cards are stacked. I’m not agreeing with this, it’s just the reality of the world we live in.

    Comment by Down Under — Mon 23rd April 2012 @ 5:32 pm

  9. #8..if one parent wishes to lay down the law and make stipulations on what the other parent can or cannot do with said children then they should have the decency to fulfil the same obligations under the current court orders..but we all know women do not have a decent bone in their body..manipulating lying scumbags

    Comment by ford — Mon 23rd April 2012 @ 6:31 pm

  10. Reply to Ford #7 and #9

    Ford,down below please go to this link and a have read…

    I really feel for you mate…Been there……done that, so I understand exactly how you feel…

    I hope one fine day you can leave this ‘Feminist hell hole’ called N.Z, and travel,and have a good look around in some Asian countries,then your eyes will be really open up, that not all Women are ‘manipulating lying scumbags’ However I do concur with your opinion on Kiwi women…

    I will never ever want to know a Kiwi women again,even with my last breath on this earth..They can rot in hell…..…/the-smart-men-have-left-the-buil…

    Kind regards John Dutchie Free at long last…..

    Comment by John Dutchie — Tue 24th April 2012 @ 12:51 pm

  11. Whoops ,try this link instead,if it doesn’t work try Google

    The Smart Men Have Left The Building « Sober Down Under…/the-smart-men-have-left-the-buil…

    Comment by John Dutchie — Tue 24th April 2012 @ 12:54 pm

  12. Reply to Hans

    Just curious Hans,have you received any correspondence from either Professor Mueller/Ms Edmunds concerning your opinions that you sent to both of them…????

    Just changing the subject here Hans, but I have just finishing reading this very disturbing article..

    On the high male suicide rate in N.Z…I would be curious to know how may of those young Men had Father/Male role model influence/guidance relating to there upbringing….see link below

    Young NZ men’s suicide rate highest in OECD | NATIONAL News

    Kind regards John Dutchie…. Free at long last

    Comment by John Dutchie — Sat 28th April 2012 @ 11:26 am

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