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WC Lives Saved by DV Act

Filed under: Domestic Violence,Gender Politics,Law & Courts — MurrayBacon @ 7:37 pm Sat 28th April 2012

Women’s and Children’s lives Saved by Domestic Violence Act:
Graham Barnes visits NZ speaks about Coordination
Effective Coordinated Community Responses (CCR) to Domestic Violence
New Zealand Family Violence Clearinghouse
SpeakOutLoud about psychological abuse

If the Act isn’t saving any lives, then why are we carrying on with it?
This analysis does not include any men’s lives that might have been saved by this Act.
Being practical, as men are rarely given protection by Protection Orders, as apparently they are not able to be injured by knifing, poisoning, shooting or killing by proxy?
Therefore, it is extremely unlikely that any men have been saved by this Act.

Robertson Neville Waikato Law School DV cutting edge
This reference addresses only women and children victims of domestic violence.
Neville Robertson, Ruth Busch, Radha D’Souza, Fiona Lam Sheung,
Reynu Anand, Roma Balzer, Ariana Simpson and Dulcie Paina
Commissioned by the Ministry of Women’s Affairs
AffairsAugust 2007
Dedication on pages 3 to 8
Dedicated to the 212 women and children who have died in domestic violence homicides
since the enactment of the Domestic Violence Act 19951.

– – – – – – – Women Children per year
page 3 1995 4 5 9
page 3 1997 and 1996 10 11 21
page 3 1998 11 11 22
page 4 1999 5 10 15
page 4 2000 9 10 19
page 5 2001 10 10 20
page 5 2002 8 9 17
page 6 2003 6 7 13
page 6 2004 5 14 19
page 7 2005 18 5 23
page 7 2006 9 12 21
page 8 2007 6 3 9

totals 101 107 208

Women+Children domestic homicides per year 17.3

The dedication notes 212 people dying.
My total is 208, as I removed several names counted twice, for example once under christian name and once under family name.

Estimating lives saved by DV Act:
If we assume the long term rate of homicide is constant, then we can take the difference between homicides in 6 years
before DV Act was passed and subtract homicides in 6 years after DV Act was passed, as being the numbers of lives saved.
(More exactly, the homicide rate was very slowly increasing, through the 2 decades before the DV Act was passed, so the
estimation procedure above will tend to slightly underestimate the lives saved. In any case, the number of lives saved
per year is a very small figure, say under 1.5 per year?)

Womens and childrens homicides in 6 years 1995 to 2001 106
Womens and childrens homicides in 6 years 2002 to 2007 102

Lives saved in 5 years since introduction of DV Act: 4
Lives saved per year since introduction of DV Act: 0.67

The maximum number of womens and childrens lives that could have been saved was about 17 lives per year.
Thus the reduction in homicides is not statistically significant, particularly when compared to the
draconian measures implemented in the hope of obtaining a reduction in domestic murders.

This is especially so, when the breaches of natural justice were expected to save large numbers of lives.

How long should we wait, before we repeal this Act?
What other costs should be considered, when evaluating the performance of this Act?


Graham Barnes defends his anti violence programmes, from NIJ criticism that they don’t work

National Institute for Justice – Batterer Intervention Programs
National Institute for Justice – Two Studies

Maryland Report Male Victims of Domestic Violence Duluth Model discussed

Combined effects of criminal justice intervention on domestic violence a re-analysis of the Minneapolis Intervention Project 2003
· Bebawy, Nadia A.
The Combined Effects Criminal Justice Intervention Domestic Violence ReAnalysis the Minneapolis Intervention Project thesis presented the faculty the Department Criminal Justice and Criminology East Tennessee State University partial fulfillment the requirements for the degree Master Arts Criminal Justice and Criminology Nadia Bebawy August Wayne Gillespie PhD Chair Marian Whitson PhD Michael Braswell PhD Keywords Domestic Violence Abuse Women Male Batterers ABSTRACT The Combined Effects Criminal Justice Intervention Domestic Violence ReAnalysis the Minneapolis Intervention Project Nadia Bebawy Over the past years plethora research has been conducted the effects arrest reducing recidivism domestic violence offenders The findings such research have been varied This study uses data from the Minneapolis Intervention Project test the effectiveness criminal justice sanctions arrest jail counseling and the combination reducing recidivism male domestic violence offenders Results from bivariate analysis found that the criminal justice sanction arrest and jail was related recidivism However criminal justice sanctions could not predict recidivism ACKNOWLEDGMENTS First and foremost would like thank God for providing this opportunity learn and grow through the education friendships and experiences have had East Tennessee State University would like thank parents for their love and support and for having the courage let spread wings and fly siblings Natalie Matthew and Michael thank you f. Title from electronic submission form. ETSU ETD database URN: etd-0702103-233910. Includes bibliographical references. Also available via Internet at the UMI web site.

media release written by Micheal Woods and Greg Andresen discussing White Ribbon Day publicity using misleading data about Domestic Violence

Controlling Domestic Violence Against Men Charles E. Corry, Martin S. Fiebert, and Erin Pizzey


  1. I am a little disturbed that you seem to think that the DV Act is assailable on the basis of lives saved Murray.

    You have omitted the dollars earned through all those made employable by the same act.

    Surely if an Act of Parliament can materialise so many hundreds of livelihoods out of thin air, the fact that it may, or may not, actually save lives is not all that important. Consider also that each of these livelihoods is taxable, along with the incomes of mental health professionals, divorce lawyers and undertakers.

    We are not facing a conscience. We are facing an economic imperative. In our more innocent years, we may have thought the human sacrifices of barbaric cultures incomprehensible. Now we know otherwise. Given a context, all barbarity is explicable.

    The more pressing question is how ingenious is your personal means of escape? Naturally, I wouldn’t ask for details.

    Comment by rc — Sat 28th April 2012 @ 7:54 pm

  2. We need statistics on the number of men committing suicide following P/O and Relationship failure. These statistics are normally conveniently buried.

    Neville Robertson has long been a puppet of the ministry of women’s affairs! See then compare that with the Davison Report! The Davison Report was bad enough for being biased and went far beyond its terms of reference!

    Comment by Gwaihir — Sat 28th April 2012 @ 8:01 pm

  3. #2..makes one wonder what kind of fucked up headgames she was playing to get his head all bent out of shape

    Comment by ford — Sat 28th April 2012 @ 8:29 pm

  4. That report is on the web. It is a disgrace a university would lent its name to it. As a final conclusion she was driven out of town. I believe she had her tubes tied before she left Allan ( 🙂 ) and is now living in the rangitikei under an assumed name!

    Comment by Gwaihir — Sat 28th April 2012 @ 10:02 pm

  5. Reply to Gwaihir#2&3….See link below…

    Female Academics’ Power and Control over Male Academics

    Any n.z universities report/s on there so called ‘unbiased’ Domestic violence theories are only fit to be used as toilet paper….

    The universities in N.Z are now so totally controlled and manipulated by the Feminist movement and heavens forbid if ‘you’ either as a student or as a lecturer don’t bow down and be subservient and be submissive to there feminism ideology propaganda….

    Your comment Gwaihir….. ‘We need statistics on the number of men committing suicide following P/O and Relationship failure. These statistics are normally conveniently buried.’

    You are very correct Gwaihir…But it won’t happen, my reason are thus … For it doesn’t suit the Gestapo feminists agenda that Men/Fathers suffer too in a marriage/relationship break up, especially if they are alienated from there child/children by a vindictive Mother,and supported by the Gestapo feminist movement,and the Gestapo feminist controlled ‘unbiased’ Family court


    Western European women Gestapo Feminists want to continue and manipulate there ‘Victim hood’ society….

    Read this interesting article,see link below

    Kind regards John Dutchie Free at long last
    Annotated Research Bibliography on Joint Custody

    Comment by John Dutchie — Sun 29th April 2012 @ 1:37 am

  6. Reply to Gwaiher #2

    Here is another two article relating Men/Fathers committing suicide…

    15000 to 18000 Divorced Men Commit Suicide Every Year…/15-000-18-000-divorced-men-commit-suicide-…

    And I bet you, no feminists control universities in New Zealand would dare to raise this subject publicly ,or even write a paper on Men/Father suicide ….

    However if was ‘Mothers’ committing suicide, then it would be a totally different situation… The Feminists control universities would swap the media with there so called unbiased ‘research’ and demand the government to take urgent action…

    Kind regards John Dutchie …Free at long last

    Comment by John Dutchie — Sun 29th April 2012 @ 7:51 am

  7. from wanganui..i rented a house of his parents in puriri st..#6 to be exact..rumour had it she met another guy who ended up topping himself as well

    Comment by ford — Sun 29th April 2012 @ 8:22 am

  8. murray bacon..the homicide rate for women would be alot higher if it wasnt for the control displayed by the male partners they attempt to destroy

    Comment by ford — Sun 29th April 2012 @ 9:03 am

  9. Interesting point Ford. Another invisible statistic! The quantity of young men that walk, frequently taking a heavy financial and emotional loss. Everybody wins except the guy. I am aware of several supposedly “Friendly” divorces, where at least superficially the male appears to have lost heavily. These usually app as the youngest child becomes about 16! No Harm? Yeah Right!

    Ford you & I are in the same town.

    Comment by Gwaihir — Sun 29th April 2012 @ 9:17 am

  10. #9..I reside in palmy now

    Comment by ford — Sun 29th April 2012 @ 9:35 am

  11. Reply to Ford

    Interesting comment you made Ford….I wonder how many Men have lost the plot…When they have discovered that they weren’t the Father there Child/children that

    Comment by John Dutchie — Sun 29th April 2012 @ 5:31 pm

  12. whoops press the key

    Interesting comment you have made Ford”¦.I wonder how many Men have totally lost the ‘plot'”¦

    When they have discovered that they weren’t the birth Father to there Child/children and still had to pay child support,and then there ex partner takes great ‘glee’ in rubbing that fact in there face all the time ….’Paternity Fraud’ springs to my mind….

    Kind regards John Dutchie Free at long last….

    Comment by John Dutchie — Sun 29th April 2012 @ 5:36 pm

  13. Guys,
    The Egyptian revolution parliament is starting to discuss a new family law the returns to the old age of end of custody, which is compatible with Islamic laws, and that would be 7 years for boy and 9 years for girls, after that the custody will return to the father, also the father should be next in custody order when the mother marries. We need your support guys.

    Comment by Kamal — Sun 29th April 2012 @ 5:47 pm

  14. Dear all,
    We Egyptians would appreciate so much if you can demonstrate in front of the Egyptian embassy to support the parliament discussions of new laws that will end a dynasty of feminism and will return the end of custody age to 7 for boy and 9 for girl, then the kids return to father.
    We need your support in demonstrating in front of our Egyptian embassy because the women here try to destroy our efforts using international support and they want to tell us that the whole world will stand against us. Please help us and we will help you back I promise to every honorable man in New Zealand.

    Comment by Kamal — Sun 29th April 2012 @ 5:53 pm

  15. I didn’t find an Egyptian embassy in New Zealand, anyway you can demonstrate in any suitable place that attracts media or you can tell your Australians friend to do the same there

    The address of Egyptian embassy in Canberra.

    1 Darwin Avenue, Yarralumla
    [email protected]
    Website URL:

    Comment by Kamal — Sun 29th April 2012 @ 5:55 pm

  16. #11 & 12..women cant deal with the physicality of men so pshycological abuse is their weapon of choice and they know this causes the most damage because they say so when they are telling us its what we do to them..phycotic nutjobs

    Comment by ford — Sun 29th April 2012 @ 6:00 pm

  17. Reply to Ford #16

    Your comment ‘phycotic nutjobs’…My current Asian lady partner lived and worked as a qualified Doctor in American and Canada for a period of five years …And she is very astute,extremely intelligent,great sense of humor,and a wonderful degree of ‘Common sense’ approach to ones journey of life…

    And Yes I can admit too…She drop dead gorgeous too..L.O.L

    She described a lot her American female work colleges as pure Narcissistic venomous snakes…She put me on to this interesting article that she found on the web…see link below

    ‘The ego epidemic: How more and more of us women have an inflated sense of our own fabulousness’

    Read more:

    Kind regards John Dutchie Free at long last

    Comment by John Dutchie — Mon 30th April 2012 @ 10:51 am

  18. Reply to Kamal

    Once you really dig deep,and research the so called ‘Feminists’ ideology of there definition ‘Equally’….. An appropriate term on what you have said about the ‘dynasty of feminism’ …

    I have imposed a self exile from this Feminist state called New Zealand,and now abode and work in Asian country and have met and fallen in love with the most amazing Asain

    Comment by John Dutchie — Mon 30th April 2012 @ 12:22 pm

  19. Whoops hit the wrong key once again…

    I have imposed a self exile from this Feminist state called New Zealand,and now abode and work in Asian country and have met and fallen in love with the most amazing Asian lady

    Google these websites listed below and show the powers to be in your Country ..

    …Erin Pizzy…

    …Angry Harry…

    …A voice for Men…

    I wish you ,and your people of your County all the best for the future..

    Kind regards to you…John Dutchie Free at long last

    Comment by John Dutchie — Mon 30th April 2012 @ 12:58 pm

  20. Hello Kamal,

    Can you please post a link to an English language newspaper where this is being discussed. Men all around the world would be interested in seeing how this goes, and what details are being considered.

    Thank you.

    Comment by rc — Mon 30th April 2012 @ 1:31 pm

  21. Reply to rc #20

    A good suggestion rc…thank you

    Kind regards John Dutchie

    Comment by John Dutchie — Mon 30th April 2012 @ 1:40 pm

  22. Kamal; we probably need a bit more clarification as to what it is you are requesting precisely. Shari’a Islamic custom attempts to accommodate a number of schools of thinking. With child custody after divorce there appear to be a number of similar, yet subtly different applications of custom; the only constant is that the father is the natural guardian (al waley) and legal custodian. Recognizing that an infant needs a mothers care, physical care is entrusted to the mother up to a certain age; but this does not confer any legal custodial rights on the mother.

    Now; which laws / customs are you trying to get ratified by the new revolutionary parliament? Hanbali and Shafii custom does not distinguish between girls and boys for the purposes of mothers custody. The Hanbalis give mothers custody from birth until the child reaches the age of seven, at which point the child (girl or boy) can choose between parents. The Shafiis allow mothers custody until the child reaches the age of “discretion” and then the child is free to elect either parent as custodian. The Malikis rule that the mothers custody of a boy shall last until he reaches puberty, and for a girl until she marries.

    Can we assume that Egyptian mothers (and their feminist friends elsewhere) are attempting to endorse the Malikis custodial customs?

    And you are asking us to support the Hanbalis Shafii customs? Even in its entirety where the child, at age seven or age of discretion, still has the option of choosing which parent he or she wishes to become custodian?

    Comment by Bruce S — Mon 30th April 2012 @ 6:27 pm

  23. Reply to Bruce S #22

    Bruce your comment of ‘Can we assume that Egyptian mothers (and their feminist friends elsewhere) are attempting to endorse the Malikis custodial customs?’

    Nope,you are sadly mistaken Bruce….

    Feminists don’t want that either (Malikis custodial customs)….

    Below are some very famous,prominent and revered Feminists quotes, whom have publicly stated there definition of what they want as the new world order of the feminists ‘Family unit’…

    “The nuclear family must be destroyed… Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process.” — Linda Gordon

    We can’t destroy the inequities between men and women until we destroy marriage.” — Robin Morgan

    “And let’s put one lie to rest for all time: the lie that men are oppressed, too, by sexism–the lie that there can be such a thing as ‘men’s liberation groups.’ Oppression is something that one group of people commits against another group, specifically because of a ‘threatening’ characteristic shared by the latter group–skin, color, sex or age, etc. The oppressors are indeed ****ED UP by being masters, but those masters are not OPPRESSED. Any master has the alternative of divesting himself of sexism or racism–the oppressed have no alternative–for they have no power but to fight. In the long run, Women’s Liberation will of course free men–but in the short run it’s going to cost men a lot of privilege, which no one gives up willingly or easily. Sexism is NOT the fault of women–kill your fathers, not your mothers”.
    — Robin Morgan

    “Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the women’s movement must concentrate on attacking this institution. Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage.” — Sheila Cronin, the leader of the feminist organization NOW

    Under patriarchy, every woman’s son is her potential betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman.” — Andrea Dworkin

    Letter to editor: “Women’s Turn to Dominate”. “……Clearly you are not yet a free-thinking feminist but rather one of those women who bounce off the male-dominated, male-controlled social structures. Who cares how men feel or what they do or whether they suffer? They have had over 2000 years to dominate and made a complete hash of it. Now it is our turn. My only comment to men is: if you don’t like it, bad luck–and if you get in my way I’ll run you down.”
    Signed: Liberated Women, Boronia Herald-Sun, Melbourne, Australia. 9 Feb., 1996.

    9. “Being a housewife is an illegitimate profession… The choice to serve and be protected and plan towards being a family- maker is a choice that shouldn’t be. The heart of radical feminism is to change that.” (Vivian Gornick, feminist author, University of Illinois, The Daily Illini, April 25, 1981.

    10. “The most merciful thing a large family can to do one of its infant members is to kill it.” (Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, in “Women and the New Race,” p. 67).

    “We are taught, encouraged, moulded by and lulled into accepting a range of false notions about the family. As a source of some of our most profound experiences, it continues to be such an integral part of our emotional lives that it appears beyond criticism. Yet hiding from the truth of family life leaves women and children vulnerable.”
    — Canadian Panel on Violence Against Women.

    Kind regards to you Bruce..John Dutchie…Free at long last

    Comment by John Dutchie — Tue 1st May 2012 @ 5:31 am

  24. And Bruce here below,read carefully on what this feminist said …. Feminism ultimate game plan…World domination

    7. “Let’s forget about the mythical Jesus and look for encouragement, solace, and inspiration from real women…. Two thousand years of patriarchal rule under the shadow of the cross ought to be enough to turn women toward the feminist ‘salvation’ of this world.” (Annie Laurie Gaylor, “Feminist Salvation,” The Humanist, p. 37, July/August 1988.

    Kind regards John Dutchie Free at long last

    Comment by John Dutchie — Tue 1st May 2012 @ 5:38 am

  25. Getting back on original subject that MurrayBacon posted

    Here,see link below, is interesting article relating to the powerful influence of feminism in N.Z, a lot of these feminists were big movers and shakers while they were students at a particular university in New Zealand,and they set the motion of there feminists influence called… ‘Women’s studies’…..

    Other link below on the powerful influence of feminism at N.Z universities and also in the N.Z education departments..

    This is why I hold on any so called ‘unbiased’ papers on domestic violence done by any university in N.Z with great dis trust…

    Kind regards John Dutchie Free at long last

    Comment by John Dutchie — Tue 1st May 2012 @ 10:41 am

  26. Whoops for to post the link concerning ..

    ‘Other link below on the powerful influence of feminism at N.Z universities and also in the N.Z education departments..’

    Comment by John Dutchie — Tue 1st May 2012 @ 10:43 am

  27. Mr Ford’s comment is outstanding. The reason violence against women is so small is because men have a high degree of self control and self sacrifice, in spite of being abused from the first date. Women have monopoly on violence against men and their kids. Before, she pointed finger at a villager, now she calles police. No man can match the power of women.

    If we calculate correctly, women are maybe 100X more violent than men. Let’s just add up how many babies they kill before or after birth, how many murderers are raised by single moms, how many inocent men are in jail etc. Violence is the only competition where women win over men, 100:1 maybe.

    But the victims are women too, because all women depend on exploitation of men, and if we decrease productivity of men, all women suffer. Both men and women are loosers in our feminist dictatorship.

    Comment by Ivan Zverkov — Sun 6th May 2012 @ 10:29 am

  28. Egypt is Hanafi customs and we all marry here on the hanafi schools of sharia, as a principle in Islam, you cannot take from different schools in one certain issue, you destroy the whole logic when you do that you have to choose only one in both marriage and divorce which we used to do in Egypt, regarding the groups yes we have tons of groups on Facebook but they are all in Arabic

    Comment by Kamal — Sat 12th May 2012 @ 11:55 am

  29. women are the most violent

    Comment by Ford — Sat 2nd June 2012 @ 7:44 pm

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