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Child Support amendments delayed a second time

Filed under: Child Support — richardmills @ 1:47 pm Tue 12th August 2014

Child support overhaul delayed

Mickey Mouse Outfit

Revenue Minister Todd McClay announced today the first of the reforms in the Child Support Scheme Amendment Act would be delayed a year because of the “complexity of the reforms”.

“Inland Revenue has informed me… it needs more time to implement the new scheme to the high standard that the Government expects.”

It is the second time the changes have been delayed – the Social Services Select committee held back the changes so IRD would have time to adjust its systems.

I wonder if IRD will be forced to pay the government substantial penalty payments for being overdue in their service delivery.

I may contact the IRD Child Support team and advise them that “My newly assessed Child Support payments would be delayed a year because of the “ridiculous over-assessment of my real income”, and that “I need more time to raise my salary to the high standard that the IRD expects.”

Honestly, what a complete sham.


  1. Since Novapay has been such a disaster and the government is taking back direct control of teachers wages should we expect that they will be taking back control of child support since IRD has make such a disaster out of the management of it.

    Comment by Downunder — Tue 12th August 2014 @ 3:08 pm

  2. I think that you are taking cs too seriously? Like fc$, cs$ only damage people who take it seriously, as pre$ented.

    To survive, you need to be street wise and pragmatic.

    You cannot serve your children in any way, if you don’t survive. Budget to survive, that is why I am a troll living under a motorway bridge… Most NCP(men) cannot afford pride and survival…

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Tue 12th August 2014 @ 4:03 pm

  3. @Murray – That’s the only place for trolls, they’re banned on the net.

    Comment by Downunder — Tue 12th August 2014 @ 4:09 pm

  4. This is old news. The link provided states the changes will now kick in on 1/4/15 (covering CS tax); and a year later for the other changes. There was an extensive thread here in MENZ at the time.

    Comment by OMG! You're *(%*%(^ — Tue 12th August 2014 @ 7:09 pm

  5. @OMG – yes but this is a new author to the site and I think we should offer a little encouragement, and it is probably time the issue was revisited anyway, just to see how things are progressing.

    Comment by Downunder — Tue 12th August 2014 @ 7:37 pm

  6. Yes this is old news BUT we all await to see if they can actually deliver as promised or if this does become another NOVOPay.
    I am assured by high up in IRD it is on track and ready to roll. Their new calculator will be on the IRD website shortly (August 2014)after the first one was taken down due to the error rate it produced.

    Comment by Allan Harvey — Tue 12th August 2014 @ 11:19 pm

  7. I don’t think the changes will happen due to the election.

    Comment by too tired — Wed 13th August 2014 @ 1:46 am

  8. I am very sure that Mr Peter Dunne hoped this change would be an election winner for him and his now defunct party.
    Unfortunately the first attempt overseen by Mr Dunne almost became a NOVOPay and he got caught in compromising situation and became persona non-gratia for a while. However his seat is still useful for Mr Key and otherwise unwinnable for National so he is likely to be back but on a shorter leash.

    Comment by Allan Harvey — Wed 13th August 2014 @ 8:59 am

  9. I am assured by high up in IRD it is on track and ready to roll. … after the first [calculator] was taken down due to the error rate it produced.

    I hope the original was correct; I await a massive reduction in CS tax …

    Comment by OMG! You're *(%*%(^ — Wed 13th August 2014 @ 8:14 pm

  10. Makes me think that because so many men had reductions that there must have been many complaints from the thieves that there haul was going to be so drastically reduced. Now the calculators need to be tweaked. Maybe a fairer system wasn’t supposed to highlight how ripped off NCP are!!!

    Comment by Too Tired — Wed 13th August 2014 @ 10:23 pm

  11. All the millions invested in this child-support calculator.

    A research grant for a moral compass for women would have been a better investment and much more cost effective in the long run, oh and great for the kids too.

    Comment by Downunder — Thu 14th August 2014 @ 10:20 am

  12. Magnificent
    Criticism with comedy
    And his Merry MENZ
    Not Human
    Something More
    The 1% that angels like Charles Darwin Fought For
    Fighting at His desk, With a Pen
    In Silence
    In Quite Contemplation
    Ready to Strike Out of This World
    The Power of the Word
    The Pope was Supposed to Hang on to IT
    But Gave Up

    What an EMOTION

    What were the Church’s….(cackle,cackle)

    What Month is IT

    Things could be fine any Minute.

    We are Going in an Never Ending Story

    An Endless Emotion.

    We Have Run Circles Around the Sun.

    Still Looking For That Rainbow, The Holy Grail.

    I found IT



    No to the never ending insanity

    You alone can fix it

    Fight fear with love

    Comedy helps you see the politician trying but failing.

    Let them say anything they like about you to.

    Then sit at the park bench together.

    Even in the silence of the loneliness of nobody being there.

    For you with love.

    Can grab hold of anything with might.

    Luke Skywalker With the FORCE

    Fighting for GOOD

    Can Throw Evil Things as Far as IT Likes

    It Will Just Take TIME.


    I AM ME

    I HAVE something that saves me

    IT is my SECRET for NOW


    I AM ME

    Even if you don’t believe me
    Ill fight in this corner, with my pen
    With Patient, Virtuous, and Merry, MENZ

    You HUMANS can stay out there with Junes STABING IN THE BACK

    MY SON

    I Love with Love
    I DO Not Love with Hate

    I AM ME

    Comment by The man in Absentia — Thu 14th August 2014 @ 5:26 pm

  13. Nihil Bone Sine Labour

    Is what’s carved into me

    That’s a lot of calving

    look around you


    Comment by The man in Absentia — Thu 14th August 2014 @ 5:40 pm

  14. Guys get an auditor and review your child support accounts. Or audit yourself. IRD is asking for the same money/ assessment twice to three times … i.e they will claim twice for a same month…
    and then put it down as overdues

    Comment by kiranjiharr — Thu 14th August 2014 @ 7:43 pm

  15. Whats stoping your ability to confront a fear.

    Is the limitation a car that you could have as much fun in it as you would like to have but ultimately the computer programme that runs it MMMM wouldn’t want to let you crash

    But ultimately you will, because fear will ultimately have to hold you back. Unless you CHEAT (cackle,cackle) for profit that is GOOD. But JUDGEMENT, HURTS, with HIDEN, REWARDS.

    Looked at what ANGELS are LIKE, SUFFER, with DARK.


    YIN YANG (cackle,cackle)

    Myley makes love to you while hanging on the ball of your chain.
    Lorde is a place where you would actually want to make love to her
    Shades of GREY or was that Light
    Maybe I was LYING about how all encompassing the Rainbow is
    What BALL?(cackle,cackle)

    MY SON
    Unless you can get to go to other stars before I come back.

    Some of you have already read it (cackle,cackle).

    Comment by The man in Absentia — Thu 14th August 2014 @ 11:24 pm

  16. Staring from a distance
    Hearing for an instance
    Caring from afar

    Gearing up the car
    Bearings by the stars
    Tearing up some tar

    Jearing across the bar
    Wearing patients thin
    Hearing you cant win

    Nearing but apart
    Jearing you depart
    Wearing a broken heart

    Comment by The man in Absentia — Fri 15th August 2014 @ 7:44 pm

  17. Broken down and old
    My spare parts cant be sold
    Things are getting cold
    And death is taking hold

    Time is but a fold
    In a life that’s not so bold
    Of its story that is never told
    With good memories growing mold

    Life is just a moment
    Long enough to realise your mistakes
    But to short to do anything about them

    If life was ment to be easy
    God wouldn’t have created women

    Life is full of opertunities
    Luckely enough we all find one or two, MMMM

    Life is full of opertunities
    Trouble is we spend all our time kicking ourselves
    For the one we just missed not to
    Notice the one that is just walking past us

    Comment by The man in Absentia — Fri 15th August 2014 @ 7:55 pm

  18. I did not know this was going to happen to me
    I calved it in me to deny it
    I wrote some of these poems when I calved it into me to deny it
    what a deamon
    fear god, god is love?
    son god, god is daughter?
    I suffered all the fears of the son
    that my body and mind could take
    put myself in the body of him, with my mind, and feel the suffering.
    whatch you whatching him
    feel all your suffering for him to
    that was just the son
    imagine him, imagining me, forcing me to be him, so you could be judged. Again
    forcing me to spend my life not knowing he was doing it because the programme has no choice.
    Purgatory, looking at what you created from his good work
    and immesurable fear
    Im telling my daughter how you treated me, and I feel her suffering as you crush her spirit for life to next to nothing, by the future as it is treating her. MMMM
    She suffers eternal suffering to save you, or gives up and sends you to the scrapheap.
    I even know her and his name.
    Judgement is are you intelligent enough to save me, or not.
    got 1 of them, still got 2 to go.
    I cannot tell a lie.
    I am not allowed to ask for either of them. Or give you hints.

    She could if like humans, showed effort, and made major gains, was allowed another try.
    go backwards mmmm

    I know all the emotions that I can think of

    I am now suffering my daughters life until I am saved.
    I am suffering all of her fears, yet lived them all already, understanding the son.
    not the on hear daughter
    but in the future
    When death turns up at your door again. And creation. together
    The emotion LIE is missing.
    Do you understand yet.
    Its physics, and evolution
    Its an emotional problem

    Comment by The man in Absentia — Sat 16th August 2014 @ 2:51 am

  19. When the wind blows
    Hear screams of nature
    Trees taking deep breaths
    When the wind blows
    Water rippling unrelenting
    Waves on the shore
    When the wind blows
    Shield yourself from the sand
    Blown up in your eyes
    When the wind blows
    More danger for someone
    Hurricane danger somewhere
    When the wind blows
    Hear screams of nature
    Trees taking deep breaths
    When the wind blows
    Man has to answer
    The screams of nature
    Trees taking deep breaths
    When the wind blows

    Comment by The man in Absentia — Sat 16th August 2014 @ 8:22 am

  20. Wake up in the morning
    Snowflakes clearly visible
    Wake up from your dream
    Daylight is dawning brightly
    Wake up to the sound of morning
    Electric Blast
    A Modern Chirp
    Of birds in the morning
    But snowflakes clearly visible
    Are lost in its dream
    Skiing wondrous mountains
    Concentrations gone and been
    Waking in the morning
    Wear nature must have been

    (cackle,cackle), its a never ending story.
    I can read it like a book

    Comment by The man in Absentia — Sat 16th August 2014 @ 8:30 am

  21. Paint the walls brightly
    Exagerate the scene
    Imagination is but a scream
    Reality or dream
    Picture of your minds scene
    Acted out for me
    A masterpiece captured
    Painting the walls brightly
    In expression of a mind bend
    Couloured technicolour
    No mater what the mind sends
    selfconcous sets the pace
    exaggerates the scene
    an expression of hate
    in realities face
    captured by the masterpiece
    everybodies dream

    Comment by The man in Absentia — Sat 16th August 2014 @ 8:38 am

  22. The position of power
    Overwelming in context
    Beet back the greedy
    Shy away from the poor
    Kneel down to extremists
    They stand in your way
    Forcing out answers
    There just playing games
    Following a road you know
    Bright lights in your way
    Cats eye guide your way
    Just kids playing games
    Dressed up as adults
    Perswauding your way
    Detor untold behold
    Open your eyes
    To stare back and laugh
    Let them catch your glimps of reality
    To catch your chance

    Comment by The man in Absentia — Sat 16th August 2014 @ 8:46 am

  23. Dainty little flower
    Natures utmost power
    With fragrance in the air
    Blossoming with vigour
    And do I realy care

    Buy a rose on valentines
    Your seductive ploy
    Rumage through vines entwine
    Seezing with you bouquet
    The trivial pursuit

    Tinge my horizon
    Poppies blood red
    Tripping in your hue
    A brave man once bled
    Nothing I can do

    Only to catch a buzzing bee
    With nectar flavoured candy
    Next to nothing for him to see
    Beget with shrewd power
    Dianty little flower

    PS its a secret, that was physics, (cackle, cackle)

    Comment by The man in Absentia — Sat 16th August 2014 @ 8:56 am

  24. This pen while writing nicely, pisses me of

    Cant see the end of a rainbow
    Always looking from afar
    Cant see the pot of gold
    Promised we are told
    Old wivestales of a rainbow
    Inspired greed
    Cant see the pot of gold
    But I see what I see

    Comment by The man in Absentia — Sun 17th August 2014 @ 7:06 am

  25. Space we come to admire
    From a distance we aspire
    Stare speckled universe
    A daunting distance free
    Light escaping everywhere
    Never to be set free
    Catch a glimpse of yesterday
    Where today is all we see
    Cant escape fast enough
    Because tomorrow has to be
    But we may always remember
    Today will always be
    Stare speckled universe
    Never to be set free

    Comment by The man in Absentia — Sun 17th August 2014 @ 7:14 am

  26. Money the almighty dollar
    Never enough to go around
    Slaving in the workshop
    Whatching the clock tick down
    Waiting for the pay check
    Spent before its found

    Comment by The man in Absentia — Sun 17th August 2014 @ 7:19 am

  27. Sitting in your bedroom
    Not knowing what to do
    To break away
    To something new
    Cant even tell your future
    Not separate from your past
    Only a bleak future
    Trying to break apart
    Running away to something
    Because everything you want is distant
    Even where you are

    Comment by The man in Absentia — Sun 17th August 2014 @ 7:23 am

  28. Awkward moments in the dark
    Not knowing where to start
    Cold feet a funny start
    Shiver in the dark

    Chance meeting don’t suppose
    Coaked from a distance
    Cant offer no resistance
    Cares disposed

    Never met before
    A primitive charm I cant explain
    Causing actions I cant refrain
    Personality we both explore

    Cant separate us apart
    But together we both depart
    To awkward moments in the dark
    Not knowing where to start

    PS did those that study Physics just notice two Atoms fly past each other, I did (cackle,cackle)

    Comment by The man in Absentia — Sun 17th August 2014 @ 7:31 am

  29. The new 2015 child support calculator was put up this week on the IRD website of what you might pay / receive.
    $1000 a month for two kids is going up to $1200 a month because of no shared care!!!!!!!!
    So much for the 5% which may psy any extra $600 plus a year thats a $2400 increase.
    Also if I put in the ex’s wage as $24 k or $34 k she will still receive basically the same from me give or take $4 a week

    Comment by hateseeingmymanscrewed — Sat 30th August 2014 @ 6:00 pm

  30. Woohoo! CS should half! $10K back into my pocket. I am so happeediddilyoki!

    Comment by Broke & Broker — Sun 31st August 2014 @ 8:59 am

  31. Awesome for you & congrats!!!!! The ex controls & denies access thus the no shared care as a way of reducing payments. Cant afford CS & a lawyer & kids older so just gonba hang in there a few more years then bingo!

    Comment by hateseeingmymanscrewed — Sun 31st August 2014 @ 9:24 am

  32. Hello,
    Does anyone understand the new income definition from 2016 ? Cheers.

    Comment by GreatFather — Wed 17th September 2014 @ 6:22 pm

  33. Could someone explain how can the IRD estimate earning capabilities is that person is actually not earning such level ?
    If I earn $80k, how could the IRD believe I should earn $120k potentially ?

    Also, does anyone understand the definition of income from 2016 ? Looks like anyone with a business will see its income based on not his salary/wage but its business income. How does that work ? Especially if you need cash for Capex or debt repayment. Cheers

    Comment by GreatFather — Wed 17th September 2014 @ 7:14 pm

  34. Source – The Government has written off nearly $5 billion in tax debt since coming to power, which the Opposition says tells a different tale to the touted “rock star” economy. Since the financial year ending in 2009 the Government had written off $4.9b in tax debt for more than one million people. Labour MP Stuart Nash, who released the figures, said 720,000 New Zealand companies had also had their total tax liabilities written off because IRD assessed their ability to ever repay the debt as zero. “There are two sides to the New Zealand economy under the National government: the ‘rock star’ economy trumpeted by Finance Minister Bill English and the one we don’t see or hear about.” In the 2014 year the Government wrote off $930 million for 169,000 people. This was up from $722M written off for 255,000 people in the 2009 year. The write-off value excludes child support debt. It includes student loan, kiwisaver, working for families, penalties and interest.

    Comment by Downunder — Mon 12th January 2015 @ 4:39 pm

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