Emma Watson Delivers Stirring Speech at U.N.
Late night browsing…okay not that late and came across this one……maybe someone finally gets it
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Late night browsing…okay not that late and came across this one……maybe someone finally gets it
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Yip, some people are listening and getting it.
She’s clearly not listening to men except for the pro-feminists.
She’s filtering everything too much through the warped prism of victim feminism painting men as oppressors and women as oppressed. Yet another woman asking men to get on their white horses and help women WITHOUT acknowledgement of the lack of human rights accorded to men by Feminism for decades.
She also trotting out the same old feminist lies about the mythical pay gap, women’s education and political clout.
She’s therefore asking for the pussy pass.
She’s not going to get it from me.
If you really want to see a woman delivering keen critical thinking coupled with genuine empathy for men rather than this emotional unsubstantiated BS, then go and listen to Karen Straughan instead. She makes Emma Watson seem terribly out of touch with reality, and that’s putting it kindly.
Here’s yet another earnest young woman jumping on the feminist band wagon presumably to make a name for herself in the “right” places. What is it with that?
Well I’m glad Emma Watson sorted the issue out once and for all! Men should be equal.
For the moment however I suggest all men and boys remain in at defence stations just in case they get caught out by some woman or organisation that might view the status quo as unchanged.
What’s even more laughable is the pathetic way a supposedly august body like the United Nations actually ascribes this uneducated celebrity some kind of expert status!
She is clearly way out of her depth intellectually, but the audience give her a big hand of applause as though she’s some erstwhile professor and not just a puffed up celebrity.
Her expertise on international gender issues extends to starring is 8 children’s movies, modelling for Burberry and being voted sexiest film actress of 2013 by Empire magazine.
And this at the U.N!!!!
Oh My Goodness!
What next – Beyonce or Paris Hilton as U.N. Goodwill Ambassador for Refugee Development?
Submit you puny males! Bend your knee
Interest groups are hilarious when you think about it.
Do you know there’s a group of people trying to eradicate rats from a little NZ island to protect the birds and every time they are close to eliminating the rats, an interest group comes forward to fight for ‘rat’s rights’? It means the fight on both sides will never end.
In a sense, both men’s and women’s rights are represented by the birds and the rats. Thank goodness for sensible people who can negotiate, IMO.
Look past ‘interest groups’
Individual men are opting not to have anything to do with children or child-raising.
If you were a man- why would you?
This explains a lot about the society we now live in.
Re ‘negotiation’- how do you negotiate with a department like IRD?
Emma Watson needs to look beyond the world of fiction and fantasy, and understand that there are REAL dragons to slay!
I found nothing objectionable in what she had to say. However it reflected her limited life experience and personal indoctrination she has been subject to. As Skeptic says why is this young woman considered any kind of authority on these issues.
I am pleased the question about credibility comes up.
I was talking with someone in the community about the years of practical work behind someone versus someone walking in a talking a position they didn’t earn. We ended with, “The system is screwed up”.
Anyways, I like elections (now) because it gives you a fresh start. 3 years is a long enough time to change society’s thinking, judgement, etc, IMO or at least get things started. I haven’t been involved in politics before and am going to visit the local MPs and get to know other interest groups and see if we can work together on some of the issues.
I am aware men here have been doing this for years and now it’s my turn to learn.
you say –
That comment strikes me as irresponsible for several reasons primarily it’s like saying some young woman espousing Nazism isn’t being objectionable by failing to see the plight of Jews, that she’s simply reflecting “her limited life experience and personal indoctrination she has been subject to”.
Sorry Alan, I think you’re heading down a very dangerous road indeed. I don’t let her off the hook so easily. She chose her worldview which doesn’t include anywhere sufficient empathy for men.
She’s a multimillionaire for goodness sakes! With vast ability to research the issues instead of bleating out the orthodox radical feminist view. However she obviously hasn’t taken the time to ask men for their views. How considerate of her then to comment on the plight of men.
She even got that bit wrong by insultingly saying they needed to learn to express their feelings.
She’s an extremely privileged woman living in a bubble who hasn’t bothered in the slightest to educate herself about the plight of say, Afghan men, yet gets up on her hind legs and advocates all men help all women.
She’s failed in a gross way to do say, even a simple Google search and get herself educated on the issues.
I suspect she’s probably an unwitting puppet for radical feminists within the U.N, a useful village idiot being a trained actress skilled in the art of faux emotion who can emotionally manipulate those who don’t think critically enough about what she’s saying.
However in my book that makes her an ignorant and somewhat dangerous bigot who should know better, AND totally responsible for being so.
She’s not the only one – that’s the UN game at the moment – conning young celebs onto the world political stage.
It’s a bigger version of the post I did the other day about Internet-Mana banner waving for the female vote.
I haven’t got around to doing a post yet linking these two behaviours together.
The phenomena of celebrities becoming an instant expert on social issues attempting to influence the ignorant public is not particularly new. I doubt if Emma Watson wrote this all herself.
She does say a few things that I think are a positive contribution:
But Stephen is correct, her solutions are orthodox feminism.
1. Change the world to make it better for women.
2. Change men to make it better for the world.
Men, in the view of feminists, are currently sub-human (which explains why we don’t have ‘rights’).
HeForShe is just another version of the White Ribbon Hate Campaign, in my opinion.
Here’s another fantastic woman who gets Emma Watson’s Feminist hate movement advocacy.
She is miles ahead of EW in her understanding and compassion for men.
I could go through the tedious process of dissecting Emma Watson’s speech line by line to show exactly where and why your comment that she said nothing that you found objectionable in what she had to say seems so dangerously wrong.
Thankfully I won’t have to because this has largely been done for me by 6oodfella over at Youtube.
I think you need to watch this and reassess your views –
It doesn’t stop with celebs – it goes right to the top of the United Nations:
UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon opens the 69th Session of the United Nations General Assembly at United Nations Headquarters.
Source Stuff News
it’s looking like more and more of a pile up for Emma Watson and her desperate supporters.
Alan, check out today’s video from Janet Bloomfield regarding Emma Watson’s UN address.
Janet is on a roll.
Only 5 minutes long and it could change your life.
Alan, the link to today’s video from Janet Bloomfield is here.
Apology for not uploading it earlier.
@Stephen Gee – your link returns to menz
That’s strange. I could have sworn I entered the correct link.
Anyway here’s the link – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ9UEr87DWo&list=UU7iaZh8Nk5i-5NuMOhk6jKA
I see the hardline (real) feminists don’t approve of Watson’s suggestion men should put their noses into womin’s business. http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/10552563/Why-Emma-Watsons-speech-was-rubbish
Their solution is throw more money at womin and keep men out.
Clementine Ford: I am sure I’ve heard that name mentioned on MENZ before.
Clementine Ford is the misguided feminist hack mentioned here.
The internet is wonderful.
As soon as feminists spread their misandric nonsense they are criticized online for all the world to see as in the article linked to above.
It’s thrilling to see more and more folks with common sense can see through their lies.
Good to see the feminists increasingly on the back foot.
So much so they need to have Emily Watson emoting bleating out their propaganda tropes and thus hanging inevitably themselves by their own rope.
The next move from feminism is predictable too hence the U.N.
Now that they have been revealed to be the Empress with no clothes in the west they’re trying to get some oxygen from spreading the lie that in non-western undeveloped countries patriarchy oppresses women. What they don’t mention is how gynocentric those cultures are and that men and boys have it far worse there.
If anyone would like to check that out just go to A Voice For Men and read from their Asian, Eastern European and South American writers (male and female).
mmmnn yes, it is all a bit rhetoric really… parties and conventions and speakers and feminists … good to hear it understood and discussed clearly here, but the people in power don’t get this… What is important are money and policy, in many cases unfairly in females favour, in other cases, blatantly breaching rights for men and more often fathers…how do we present these injustices succinctly to the current ministers or politicians, DHB managers etc, they can change this, do we start with the human rights office?
Fear not realkiwi, it will take some time to get to NZ (not very long because these days we have the internet and so news/views carry quickly) but feminism is imploding.
Increasingly NZ will be a faced with a choice – be seen as an obsolete feminist state propped up by bitter misandrist females dumb and white knight males creating an atmosphere of social division or acknowledge men should have human rights too and be progressive.
It sure is antifeminist’s day. I’ve never been an antifeminist and never will be.
I think I best get off the internet too which is a good thing for there’s alot to be done offline and good opportunities are presenting themselves for people that are pro something, IMO.
Unlike Julie trolling here at MENZ, thankfully increasing numbers of women are
I can list many positives that have come from the online men’s movement because of men’s PERSISTENCE. I was wrapped when MP Peter Dunne addressed a national men’s health meeting saying something along the lines, “Listen to the [disgruntled, hurt, etc] men. They have some good points to make”. (wish I could find this moment on menz)
I know it’s not nice that all men involved are labeled the same and I empathise for the same thing happens to single mothers (ie: bludger, deadbeat dad/mum, etc).
Thing is, men stayed PERSISTENCE regardless of the labeling etc, and it paid off and continues to pay off. It’s simply fabulous and I have lots of respect to many online people.
It’s all good.
Basically Stephen, antifeminism is not for me. I don’t have too much of a problem with antifeminists at the moment and I’d like to keep it this way.
Just get on with things, IMO and ‘Live and let live’.
Seriously. Every time you come here provocatively extolling that you aren’t against feminism (a movement that has done massive social damage, which oddly even you have acknowledged on occasions) you come across as a feminist troll.
Indeed in light of the pain many men and women have expressed here as a direct result of feminism, I think you come across as terribly insensitive too.
The live and let live attitude is all well and good when both parties adhere to it and respect each other. But to hold that attitude as though feminists respect men’s basic human rights is in my view plain daft. To them, despite their rhetoric I’m convinced we’re just disposable utilities.
It’s your call if you persist with the acceptance of feminism rather than being against it. However, I fear in doing so you’ll increasingly be seen socially as an outdated ideologue by a rising tide of switched on anti-feminist women who see by it’s actions, not it’s dictionary definition, for what it is – a gynocentric hate movement.
I fear you’ll also be seen as little more than a hurtful provocateur rubbing salt into the wounds of the many people who feminism has damaged.
If you’re going to say feminism is not a man-hating movement, I’m going to have to insist that you provide links either to sites showing feminists condemning the statements listed below, or feminists telling women to respect men as men.
Here are a few samples from the many anti-male quotes made by famous feminists.
“Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat.”
“Men are Obsolete.”
“I bathe in male tears”
“I feel that Ã¢â‚¬Ëœman-hating’ is an honourable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.” – Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor
“To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he’s a machine, a walking dildo.” — Valerie Solanas
“I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig.” – Andrea Dworkin
“Rape is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear” – Susan Brownmiller
“The more famous and powerful I get the more power I have to hurt men.” – Sharon Stone
“In a patriarchal society, all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent.” – Catherine MacKinnon
“The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.” – Sally Miller Gearhart
“Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience.” – Catherine Comins
“All men are rapists and that’s all they are” – Marilyn French
“Probably the only place where a man can feel really secure is in a maximum security prison, except for the imminent threat of release.” – Germaine Greer.
Emma Watson and an infatuated teenager are being debated here:
I am amazed at the medias inability to discuss the reason why Labour lost the election.
Governments lose elections
Oppositions win them
Labour lost because it did not defend men while in opposition.
It did nothing to stop new-born babies having their birth certificates falsified.
It made no effort to save the lives of teenage fathers.
It didn’t act to stop child support based sex crimes against men.
It didn’t fight to get an effective contraception for men.
It ignored issues pertaining to the age of consent, adult females with 12 plus boys.
It ignored the fact that National created a domestic violence law that was and still is in absolute contempt of the bill of rights act. IE 100% of the time its the male who gets kicked out of the house. Arbitrary?
That’s just some the family court things. Imagine the long list of ways they failed to protect and improve the lives of men.
A true feminist would be ashamed to be a women, with the way males are being treated.
I am insensitive to a man when I don’t speak out against a woman stating men are ****** and ****** or ****** while I am insensitive to a man when I don’t JUSTIFY him stating women are ****** and ****** or ******.
Where’s the logic in that? (btw, you can change woman to feminist-woman and man to antifeminist-woman).
But besides this and besides all the words spoken yesteryear, in the present and the future, antifeminism is not for all women just like feminism is not for all women.
I think you’re almost there!
Where indeed is the point in not being against a man-hating movement?
Um, er…….Gosh…..now think hard……..
I long ago stopped wasting my time reading and trying to understand Julie’s comments. She won’t clarify or to defend her often unintelligible statements. She does behave like a troll and her contributions are a nuisance; whether that’s her intention, who knows?
She won’t clarify or to defend her own unintelligible comments.???
Makes no sence to me.
Perhaps an unintelligible comment.?
38: It was a typo, leaving the word ‘to’ in after changes to the wording. I meant to say ‘She won’t clarify or defend her own unintelligible comments’.
“It makes no sence to me” ????
Sence is not a word so this makes no sense, if we want to resort to grammatical nit picking…
@37: Man X Norton –
Yes, Thanks for your comment. It make good sense to me.
I agree with what you’re saying.
Thanks Stephen, I appreciate some positive.:)
(sincerely meant as a positive)
What a condescending spoiled over privileged brat little upstart. Oh wow Emma has just discovered feminism and can now tell us all how to conduct ourselves. Nauseating!! Who gave her the stage anyway? Why should anyone give a crap about what this well heeled upper class prat thinks anyway.
What’s that sound?
It’s the sound of Emma Watson’s emo’ at the U.N. deflating under the force of male sensitive critical thinking.
Thank goodness for yet another wise woman who sees through the deceit of Emma Watson’s speech.
Celebrity Feminist Identification Has Reached Peak Meaninglessness:
It seems to me there’s not a day goes by recently without someone easily debunking Emma Watson’s gynocentric bigotry.
It’s telling how accepting you are of her speech.
I think you’ve just been outed as a feminist.
I read stuff artical there are some woman who believe that feminism is working to bring equality in family court by puting gender stereotypes right.
Feminism to me is poison to society as it brakes family and seperlates gender.
#48 Shinhee Yi
Gender Stereotypes should also be based on facts.
The fact is profoundly more domestic violence is committed against men by their partners than what is acted upon by the police, compared to the same statistics as they apply for women.
It is a fact that the police are sexually bigoted in how they apply the domestic violence act in the community.
When does and how does self defence actually apply to men.
When does and how does self defence actually apply to women.
Shouldn’t both these things be equal under the law.
Men presently do not have the right to consent to pregnancy.
It can be forced upon them. With nobody being held to account for it.
They are then forced to financially compensate the offender.
That’s a fact.
Not a stereotype.
#47 Yes, it appears Alan Harvey has, despite his personal experience of the evil of women and the feminist injustice system, been re-brainwashed by the all pervading feminist propaganda. It takes a supreme intellect to be immune to propaganda.
Allan Harvey should close down his feminist Union of Fathers office as he is not helping to stop the feminist and injustice systemic abuse of fathers and children he is actually enabling it.
Allan Harvey has lost the ability to see female and government manipulation and control and abuse of fathers and children.
Dear anonymous – your comment is not consistent with the rules of this site regarding personal attacks on other posters.
Many of us men do not possess supreme intellects, and visit this site to educate each other about these important issues.
Communication is much more likely to be effective if we treat each other with respect.
perhaps the most powerful video about Emma Watson’s U.N. speech yet.
Stefan Molyneux has an empowering message for feminist sympathisers such as you.
I think when you work with the community like me and Alan do (and many others here)…
….and thanks for what you do Alan. Your effort is priceless and recently after seeing something in another group, I’ve decided to make a stand for the welfare of givers to be above the receivers…so you can expect me to be more careful when I offer you to someone.
….anyhoo,…. you come across a range of people working with a range of issues and there’s a lot of politics. I have noticed that funders are being encouraged to stay away from ideologists and instead give to people who actually work with people and treat them like people.
I think while ideologists have the power, community people, IMO, are choosing the less evil of the 2 ideology sides….and I say this because that’s what I am doing and I think I am somewhat normal, lol. I don’t think that will change until there is something better.
RELIGION… something that is supposed to create a paradise by encouraging people to strive to live by a code that follows the idea ‘there is a greater power than man’and that power is perfect…. has been and is used as an excuse to do some very bad things….. I am talking psychotic stuff.
I think that men who are staying away from ideology also, are moving things forward and have come a long way while this goes on and I remember ‘B’ telling me that when he [bravely] spoke with midwives to have men’s post natal depression acknowledged (process before treatment), they turned around and said something meaning, “Yeah, (men have PND) when they are not beating up their women”. As hard as that is to take when you’re a good guy, it’s a truth… even if it’s not YOURS personally.
The good news is that we (society) now care about men’s PND.
I think Emma was daring for the UN tackles the hardest parts of the world. Some of the people listening to her, IMO, would have rolled their eyes.
Unfortunately, those beating her up about it are now discouraging certain women to stand and speak up. It’s interesting to witness this because everything that happens these days is noted online so generations will see what actually happened in earlier generations.
Pssst – just thoughts as part of civil discussion. 🙂
Judging by the amount of criticism (a small fraction of which I’ve posted links to on this thread) being leveled at Emma Watson I think there are lots of women who are being encouraged rather than discouraged to speak up against feminism.
Good thing too.
No need for the strawman dischotomy between offline and online activism either. Online activism works in the community too…..just ask anyone with a smartphone!
@Stephen You’re right about online activism having moved up a gear, and it is only very recent, since the likes of WordPress conquered displaying on smaller digital devices, but the thing is they have and phones can now access many more sites.
I think the UN celeb move was just that, a celeb ploy, not specifically targeting digital devices. Ironically the negative reaction is likely to spread faster than their message.
Having a website like this, where you can get condensed information and feeds is a good idea. Your linking of such items adds value. I hope others can see this and make a effort to link sources into their discussions.
It’s a change in way the site has operated, from being mostly argumentative, but a good change.
Other people are clicking on to new power of the net as well. Another NZ site I found recently is theconservativenz which also links to MENZ.
MENZ was once considered extremist – now more people are understanding what we have been saying.
All in all, I think 2014 has been a positive year for those of us who have fought for change.
Because this has happened at the UN it has gained a much higher profile but a similar situation occurred in New Zealand earlier this year. Have a look at this post from July the fourth estate feminist style and compare the situations, the players, and the dynamics.
I concur, “Good on you Stephen”. You did very well and are doing very well. 🙂
Actually, good on you too Downunder. You’ve been doing a fine job writing articles here on menz.
And I extent that to other men and women for you can see it’s a team effort thing.
I’ve got nothing more to say which is a good thing, IMO. 🙂
#54 speak up against feminism 100 Days of Advice on How to Treat Men Right.
Interesting ideas presented, curious background? I guess men seem to need all the help they can get at the moment?
We’ll know it’s better when we start seeing IRD robots prosecuted for the manslaughter of fathers.
IRD is only able to commit manslaughter of fathers and children due to first, the psychotic and hateful mothers, and 2nd, judges who knowingly commit attempted murder and murder by preventing 50/50 care of children and assaulting innocent fathers and their children with the human rights removing ‘Protection’ Orders, (especially those given without a jury or a crime).
The Statutes and the mafia cops that enforce them are also guilty of murder in this terrible abuse.
We need to educate all males of the dangers of women, and cops and judges and government, and fix it. Please send me your ideas.
Dictators erode others human rights and give themselves more and more power until they remove all limits on their behaviour.
They need to be removed at the earliest opportunity before they are unable to be removed.
It is much easier to take a stand as soon as you realise the dangers than to wait until it is too late.