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NZ Labour and the Feminist Election Campaign (2)

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 3:22 pm Wed 17th September 2014

This is a discussion that started back in a July post NZ Labour and the Feminist Election Campaign

The election wallpaper is pretty much all hung now and the pre post-election analysis is already beginning – as you can see in this article from Duncan Garner.

There are some interesting points coming out of a conversation with a Labour candidate:

I asked why. The candidate said when they went door knocking, voters told them they would give their electorate vote to Labour, but not the party vote.

I asked why, the response: people said they didn’t like David Cunliffe and pointed to his “I’m sorry for being a man” speech.

It was a fascinating chat from someone at the coalface. Men, apparently, have deserted Labour and Winston Peters is picking up the support.

  • We are seeing a male vote being identified.
  • We are seeing a middle New Zealand rejection of Labour as a party.
  • Voters are true to their roots; they will vote red for an Electorate MP, but we will not vote for a feminist party.
  • This is good in another respect; it’s a big hint to media about what we want to read in the newspaper. If people don’t read newspapers they likely don’t vote either, so feminist media have to bear some responsibility for the left wing failure.

    The best thing that could happen to Labour is that they don’t make 20%, then perhaps we will get the sea change we need in our politics to get some male representation back.

    Apart the unusual distractions we’ve seen in the election campaign, it may still end up being a good result for men, in the respect that it will prompt some change in attitude, and some value for the male vote.

    We’ll see how it pans out on Saturday.


    1. There is always a price to pay for bad behaviour.
      Sometimes it takes years.
      Then your friends walk away from you.

      Party for the working man?
      And his family?

      Comment by The man in Absentia — Wed 17th September 2014 @ 7:51 pm

    2. Lets hope the Labour Party learn a lesson this election. They need to stop shooting themselves in the foot. I am a female voter (partner of a great guy and mother to our four sons) who was so upset by David Cunliffes comments that I vowed then and there I would never vote Labour while he is at the helm. I’m sure there are many more like me.

      Comment by NZBEE — Wed 17th September 2014 @ 8:18 pm

    3. I asked why, the response: people said they didn’t like David Cunliffe and pointed to his ‘I’m sorry for being a man’ speech.

      This is funny. 🙂

      When I knocked on doors (for a petition relating to father’s rights/support/etc) plus, plus, to support men creating awareness for the need to provide men’s support, I heard many men’s voices and they’d say things like “I would like….”, “Women have, why can’t I….” and “Yes, I support fathers being more in their children’s lives”, plus, plus.

      Men out in the real world are different from men in the virtual world in that men in the real world actually want support while men in the virtual world are mostly focused on women sometimes more than women themselves. (Use you imagination why)

      Today, I don’t need to support men’s awareness for the need for support because men have that well under-control and can instead enjoy deeper conversation like ‘why men haven’t had support until now’.

      The funny part of the article withing the post is that here we have the spreading of ‘anti women’s rights’ and ‘anti women’s support’ just the same as the virtual anti-feminists spread. Instead of someone using their perhaps one and only moment to ask for something that will benefit them, they turn around and say, “I don’t like that those people (women) got given support”.


      If anyone is interested in why we haven’t had men’s support until now, just look at where men’s energy goes. (on taking support away from women)

      BTW, not ALL men are focused on women. For instance, support groups for men and boys. (duh)

      BTW, btw, I have male friends who will give their party vote to Labour. They think the opposite about the media.

      Comment by julie — Thu 18th September 2014 @ 3:39 pm

    4. you do have a point Julie about the lack of men banding together and offering support to each other in meaningful numbers. But the problems are not quite that simple – it is societal, and genetic and evolutionary that no one really cares about men. Men don’t care for a number of reasons, one being society, competitiveness (society and genetic), genetic – men are hard wired to care more about their wife and their children as men are naturally protective of women and children (despite the female propaganda that says the opposite), and a few other reasons that escape my brain at this hour of the day…the other huge reason that there is not much support for men is the government sponsored male-hate called feminism that pretends that women are hard done by when the opposite is the reality. Women are treated like toddlers who can do no wrong in the injustice system which demonizes men due feminism. Feminism has no rights left to fight for apart from taking mens human rights away, so that is what they and the government proceed to do and have done for the last 40 years through taking everyone’s rights away with statutes like Care of Children Act and Domestic Violence and and the old Guardianship Act and Property Relationships Act etc etc yet mainly only applying it against men by biased corrupt lawyer/judges and police. Government has also mainly only funded womens sexist female staffed and male hating feminist organisations that preach anti male propaganda like Women’s Refuge, and giving about 1% of this social engineering eugenics funding to mens support organisations while having written or unwritten rules regarding how they may help fathers and children who are attacked by women. For example they probably aren’t allowed to say things like this. As evidenced by their silence on the fact that females commit 90% of psychological violence and 60% of physical violence against men and children as a % of the total.

      If women really cared about men they would not only speak about it they would start marches in support of the much maligned male and fight for true equality. Until i see that happen i think they are like Judge Boshier who says one thing and does the opposite.

      Comment by Phil Watts — Thu 18th September 2014 @ 5:41 pm

    5. #4 Phil


      Comment by The man in Absentia — Thu 18th September 2014 @ 6:04 pm

    6. Thank God, Boshier got ditched.

      As much as I loathe the Family Court, if it has to exist I would have much more faith in the current Principal Family Court Judge to do a reasonable job, than his predecessors.

      Comment by Downunder — Thu 18th September 2014 @ 6:10 pm

    7. Phil #4,

      Yes, I agree you make a fabulous point. I want to share a bit of a book I am writing.

      Life was much better adding a job though it didn’t change the relationship between my husband and me. I missed feeling loved, appreciated, having a little romance in my life while I sure felt like his cleaner, his cook, his nanny, and his prostitute. I started questioning whether my marriage was a good thing and my husband. ‘What was going though his head, what were his thoughts about us as a couple? What had he been thinking during all the years of our marriage?’ and then, ‘What about my needs, what am I doing?’ I was still young with plenty of laughter and good times in me. I deserved a spark, a bit of electricity, something to attract me to the man I slept with while we both needed a reason to stay together once the children left home. Thing is, there was nothing, it was an emotionless partnership and we were staying together for the sake of the children.

      Now read again what you wrote.

      men are hard wired to care more about their wife and their children

      Thing is, we don’t realise the other side is in the same position.

      Life was much better adding a job though it didn’t change the relationship between my wife and me. I missed feeling loved and appreciated; being asked instead of organised while a bit or romance in my life wouldn’t hurt. I sure felt like her wallet, her fixer upper, her white knight, and her retirement package. I worked my arse of to make sure my wife and kids had a nice house, all the appliances, clothes, jewellery and don’t forget the shoes. I worked overtime to pay for overseas holidays while on weekends I fixed the house and the car. Heck, I even fixed her parent’s home and car.

      Nothing meant more to me than seeing my wife and kids happy. I didn’t complain about her putting on weight after having kids, or expect her to look like Elle Macpherson. I totally got that she was working hard raising kids and working her job. But what was she thinking, what was she expecting? I too was busy and I’d be there for the kids when I wasn’t working, just the same…..

      I started questioning whether my marriage was a good thing and my wife. ‘What was going though her head, what were her thoughts about us as a couple? What had she been thinking during all the years of our marriage?’ and then, ‘What about my needs, what am I doing?’

      UNFAIRLY, my needs don’t matter in New Zealand. I can’t be freed until the youngest child turns 18.

      You can finish this.

      Comment by julie — Fri 19th September 2014 @ 9:33 pm

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