Scollay’s Murder of her Husband is Excused
This case really hits home how little value is given to male victims of women’s violence, and indeed how little value is placed on men’s lives. It also highlights the sexist double standard in our justice system, in this case allowing a de facto partial defence of provocation in the case of a female murderer even though this defence was abolished for men several years ago.
The judge’s summing up instructed the jury that they “must use their knowledge of human nature to deliberate their verdict” and that “the jury must consider what Ms Scollay’s state of mind was like the night she stabbed her husband.” (Radio NZ news broadcast 13/02/2014).
No judge, the jury’s job was not to consider the impact of Ms Scollay’s ‘state of mind’ that night, only whether she deliberately committed her actions intending to kill. Going to the kitchen to fetch a large knife, bringing that to the victim’s bedroom, straddling the victim who is lying on the bed, rising up with her body over the victim and plunging that knife deep into his chest surely could never be anything other than murder. If her state of mind meant she could not be held fully responsible for the murder then this should have been assessed and established through psychiatric evidence, not by the jury. If the jury believed the murderer acted under ‘slow burn’ provocation then sorry, that should not have affected the verdict and the judge should have warned the jury to that effect. Instead, the judge’s instructions were clearly aimed at encouraging the jury to let this murderer off with the lesser charge.
This woman’s provocation defence was a variation of the fallacious ‘battered woman’s syndrome’ defence, in this case a ‘dissatisfied woman’s syndrome’. Her partner was unsatisfactory to her and was now inconvenient to her renewed affair with another man, so she killed him.
The judge’s transparent instructions may well provide a ground for an easy appeal by the Crown of this pussy pass verdict. However, appeals by the Crown it seems are reserved for males seen to have received lenience, never females.
So all that’s left is to await sentencing and to see how much of a pussy pass is awarded then too. In the meantime, read the following newspaper stories (1, 2) about the case and marvel at the constant sympathetic understanding shown towards the murderer, the excuses and minimization in describing this case. Consider how differently the stories would be written, and how different the outcome of the trial, if the genders had been reversed in this case.
This case sends a clear message to women throughout New Zealand: It’s ok to kill a man if he displeases you.
Stabbing victim’s son relieved with manslaughter verdict
Jessica McCarthy, Newstalk ZBFebruary 13, 2014, 4:48 pm
The son of Lucille and Guy Scollay says he’s relieved with today’s verdict.
A jury at the High Court in Christchurch has found Lucille Scollay not guilty of her husband’s murder but guilty of his manslaughter after she stabbed him in the chest while he lay in bed in February last year.
The 45-year-old claimed she was using the knife to make statement to her husband about how desperate their lives had become.
The decision came after four hours of deliberations.
There were sighs of relief and tears from Lucille Scollay and members of her family who sat in the public gallery.
Her son Louie Scollay had this to say outside court: “I’m extremely happy with the result, that’s pretty much all I can say actually. Big relief.”
The family of Guy Scollay say they hold no animosity towards his wife.
The families released a statement following the verdict.
Lucille Scollay’s family say they are deeply saddened a son is lost; a wife has lost her husband and a son will now have to be without both a father and a mother.
Scollay has been remanded in custody until March 13.
She had the option for YEARS and years to simply leave the relationship.There was absolutely no need to kill the man.
Instead she CHOSE to cowardly straddle him whilst he was half asleep and plunge the LARGE KITCHEN KNIFE knife into his chest.
Are we expected to believe she thought there was no chance of his death from that, and therefore it was all not premeditated?
C’mon judge and jury! Some of us weren’t born yesterday.
If you stick a big kitchen knife in someone’s chest you can expect they might die. Duh! It’s not rocket science.
You’re a disgrace IMO.
Pussy pass, and a strong message to NZ men – in the eyes of this court, as with too much of the NZ justice system you are of little value.
It firms my resolve to remain MGTOW at as safe a distance from NZ women as I can possibly be.
Comment by Skeptic — Fri 14th February 2014 @ 1:44 am
I didn’t read the full story. Can’t since I know damned well it was have crap like this in it. She wouldn’t have killed him if there was child support to be got at. Then she would have wanted him alive but under a protection order and without access to the children.
Comment by Toast — Fri 14th February 2014 @ 6:16 am
Meanwhile the jury is deadlocked in the Napier trial of an attractive young woman killed her boyfriend with a knife. The prosecution says she stabbed him, she says he pulled the knife into himself. Another pussy pass coming right up, watch this space.
Comment by Daniel — Fri 14th February 2014 @ 7:09 am
ARE THEY SERIOUSLY OTTA THIER FREEKEN MIND ? WTF,
if you stab someone you are murdering them.
If you are a guy , murder charge / straight to jail/ life imprisonment.
If you are a chick, bail / manslaughter / hung jury / maybe ?
Seriously how FKD.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11201581
Comment by Dominic Dilligaf — Fri 14th February 2014 @ 8:14 am
As society becomes more desperate, and it will as we continue this slow deteriation, this will become a common place event, where women kill expecting sympathy and minimum gaol sentences.
How long before it is not safe for a man to sleep in the same house as an unhappy woman?
Comment by Downunder — Fri 14th February 2014 @ 8:59 am
Who said she was attractive?
Comment by Soothsayer — Fri 14th February 2014 @ 11:58 am
#6 the Napier defendant is young, blonde and in my opinion a fine looking young lass. This may well have swayed the jury. In the (less attractive imo but still a woman) Scollay case the jury managed to reach a verdict but still a much reduced one.
Not enough evidence to prove the pussy pass theory but certainly conforming to it so far.
Comment by Daniel — Fri 14th February 2014 @ 12:13 pm
Over ten years ago, I met with my sons primary school teacher to discuss my concerns over the repeated pencil stabbing of my son (always by girls) only to be told that it was any everyday occurrence. The violence went unpunished at six years old and the expectation remains the same ad infinitium.
Absolutely agree Daniel. There are many men whose brains explode at the sight of anything in a skirt. Commonly those who talk the talk but can’t walk the walk. Not that matters at all in today’s plastic world where competence is irrelevant.
Comment by Soothsayer — Fri 14th February 2014 @ 2:02 pm
Isn’t the Scollay trial in Chch, who is this young Napier blonde?
Comment by Downunder — Fri 14th February 2014 @ 6:42 pm
Look at history men. Wise up, we are just cannon fodder and income for the ruling class. If they can set us up against females then its even easier to control the population and stop us voting Libertarianz or Mens Party or Marijouna party. Why don’t we set up a Parents and Childrens Rights and Transparency and Responsibility and Accountability for the Authorities Party? I volunteer.
Comment by Sane in an insane world — Sat 15th February 2014 @ 8:29 am
Downunder #9: See here, here, here, here and here.
Comment by Man X Norton — Sat 15th February 2014 @ 10:43 am
I believe the reason why she got off is that HIS family supported her. It happens and it’s not just for women.
Comment by Julie — Sat 15th February 2014 @ 11:14 am
Ok Julie, show us evidence of a man being excused from murder because the victim’s family supported him.
Murder trials decide if a killing was firstly deliberate and secondly not the result of insanity or self-defence. This decision is not influenced by the preferences or attitudes of the victim’s family. In the case of Lucille Scollay, the decision was clearly a pussy pass and I challenge you to show us evidence of any such sympathy verdict given to a male for similar offending. The only case I can recall that remotely resembles this verdict was the euthanasia by a son of his already dying and suffering mother who begged him to do it. That cannot be compared with Louise Scollay’s killing of her partner due to her own dissatisfaction with him and the guilt she felt about resuming a previous extramarital affair. Why do you seek to deny the pussy passes and favouritism clearly shown towards women in our law-enforcement and justice systems?
Comment by Man X Norton — Sat 15th February 2014 @ 12:48 pm
Thanks Man X Norton
Comment by Downunder — Sat 15th February 2014 @ 8:51 pm
Max X, though I can’t show you cases online that don’t even make the local newspaper let alone national newspapers let alone radio and TV, I stand by my comment.
Besides, the reason women killing men is making headlines around the country is because men are cared for, IMO.
All I can do is suggest it’s possible for family members of the deceased to know the ‘killer’ very well…. and care for them enough to fight for them. And that it’s possible for these cases to be heard in the District Court instead of the High Court where lighter sentences such as PD and fines are handed down.
Comment by Julie — Sun 16th February 2014 @ 8:51 am
Oh please, Julie! Murder trials always make the media and are never heard in District Courts.
Comment by Man X Norton — Sun 16th February 2014 @ 12:37 pm
@ Julie, regardless of who supports him ,mother , brother sisters aunts on their dogs side :), she still stabbed him with a knife and killed him.
That’s the facts.
Anything else just proves the whole point.
Comment by Dominic Dilligaf — Mon 17th February 2014 @ 9:02 am
17 Exactly.
Comment by Scott B — Mon 17th February 2014 @ 3:25 pm
here we go again,
Another terrible terrible stabbing death of an innocent 23 year old victim, in Australia,
Can you see the charge ? MURDER.
Not manslaughter
Maybe she jumped on the knife ?
YEA RIGHT.
http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/crime-court/sherelle-locke-was-trying-to-help-her-mother-when-she-was-killed/story-fnje8bkv-1226829758923
Comment by Dominic Dilligaf — Tue 18th February 2014 @ 9:11 am
Disgusting affair however a great way to get a husband these days it seems.
Comment by Ian — Wed 19th February 2014 @ 2:00 am
Sentencing today
Comment by Downunder — Thu 13th March 2014 @ 9:28 am
The latest …..
Christchurch woman Lucille Scollay has been sentenced to six years in prison for the manslaughter of her husband.
She was found guilty of manslaughter last month for stabbing her husband, Guy Scollay, in the chest while he slept.
The jury accepted she didn’t have murderous intent in the killing in February last year.
Comment by golfa — Thu 13th March 2014 @ 10:59 am
I don’t always agree with you guys, but I wonder if you read where she was denied parole for being aggressive in prison? You can google it. It makes me wonder about her.
Comment by Delia — Fri 10th February 2017 @ 5:33 pm
Thanks Delia @23. Yes, one of the news articles regarding her missing out on parole was linked in a more recent thread here.
Comment by Man X Norton — Fri 10th February 2017 @ 5:48 pm
The details of the post versus this.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/300417770/wheres-the-social-media-outrage-and-march-for-lena-zhang-harrap
Obviously it’s only been a few days, since the murder.
The killer caught, should result in less media.
Than the on the run killer.
We already have offending against vulnerable people, with increased sentences.
And as he is not guilty yet, patience is needed.
Then people can say anything.
Presently the lady in the post.
Should be back out in the community.
6 years, for killing a person.
I wonder.
Are her new partners warned?
Was there media stories.
Of the released killer.
The upset family, at the parole decision.
And parole conditions.
A few women’s stories, become headlines.
But they choose the stories.
In the article the writer blames us.
Our outrage, not shown enough.
The author, part of the media.
Why the UK story.
Why the US story.
There are many stories.
From many nations.
It is the media who decides.
Gatekeeper, to outrage.
A selection made.
Her argument, of bias.
The bias copied as the argument.
Only women examples shown, of outrage.
Was there no outrage, at the death of a black male.
Causing riots in the streets.
And in people’s comments.
A list of men, stabbed to death.
Helpless, sleeping, back turned.
Deliberate.
No outrage by the public.
Yet it’s the media.
Who passes judgement on murders, that are worthy.
A new march in outrage, required.
One life worth more, than another’s.
Comment by DJ Ward — Tue 28th September 2021 @ 6:50 pm
I absolutely understand why people have serious concerns about my manslaughter conviction after killing my husband. I never told a policeman that I intended to kill Guy, I did say my intention was to get s knife to and show Guy how desperate Louis (our son) and me felt about our future. It looked so black and sad as Guy’s need to escape reality was getting more and more unbearable as he descended into Drugged fuelled purgatory. This is not an exaggeration of our situation, we spent 21 years trying to find solutions to our problems. Guy’s anxiety was evident early in our marriage. I was not ready to give up on my husband, I loved him dearly and he and my son were so close, I knew if we split Louis would not leave his dad and I could not be apart from my son or Guy. For a long time I had hope Guy would get well.
Comment by Lucille Scollay — Thu 2nd May 2024 @ 1:38 pm