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Is Jacinda Ardern a Feminist?

Filed under: General — Lukenz @ 8:36 pm Tue 1st August 2017

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  1. As the new leader of the Gender Politics Party I think a few people might get manipulated into thinking that she will bring in new ideas and help the party recover from the wilderness. She is however a feminist of the ” we want to be equal to men except where we are advantaged” genre. There is no doubt by reading the very long comments section taking place on Stuff that the general population is so brainwashed that they can’t see the appalling dishonesty and bigotry of the feminist movement.
    She quotes feminist literature. Scary.
    I struggle to see how she can attract male voters back to the party and a fair portion of the female voters she gains will be from the greens.
    It is possible that the large number of young male voters who have been deluded into becoming White Nights by our feminist education system, and yet to have their lives destroyed by female sexual predators and the legal system could be attracted to the party.
    To answer your question.
    Is she a feminist?
    Yes, the most dangerous type.
    One with a close relationship with, and loved by the media.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Wed 2nd August 2017 @ 12:10 pm

  2. If you complain, you enable. If you want to make an impression, be proactive and boast about your accomplishments.
    Who cares if she is a feminist, she’s just a little girl.
    We are the men, basically the woman’s foundations are built on sand, when everything goes belly up, men will be relied upon….

    Comment by Cameron — Wed 2nd August 2017 @ 8:05 pm

  3. The idea that feminism means gender equality is as ridiculous as suggesting that male-ism would mean the same as gender equality. Those interested in gender equality would call themselves ‘equalists’. Nevertheless, the truth is that MRAs seek gender equality much more than feminists ever have.

    Comment by Man X Norton — Wed 2nd August 2017 @ 11:00 pm

  4. Raybon Kan wrote this piece of feminist sarcasm today. Clever it was and it would be funny to those captured by feminist ideology. It got me thinking about some of the real questions a man might ask Adern concerning the Labia Party. For example,:

    “It seems that the feminist arse-licking by White Knight males in the Labia Party has not added anything to their popularity, so will the Labia Party continue to push female-favouring ideology?”

    “Will the Labia Party now announce new policy to increase gender inequality in sentencing so that most NZ men are kept in prison?”

    Do others have good ideas for truly justified questions men could ask Adern?

    Comment by Man X Norton — Thu 3rd August 2017 @ 9:31 am

  5. If anyone is short of a political picture this link will take you back to the 2014 election posts.

    Comment by Downunder — Thu 3rd August 2017 @ 9:58 am

  6. 4, Yes Raybon Kan’s article is quite clever, so Im posting the link.

    I too have some questions for Labours new leader.
    Which I will phrase and post when I have time free.

    Perhaps if we phrase them a bit neater, we might actually get some answers.

    This woman needs some red pilling.

    But for now- Coffers to pay, – we dont get rained off, just rained on.

    Comment by Voices back from the bush — Thu 3rd August 2017 @ 11:45 am

  7. @3 For those of us that are old enough to remember the days when a:

    Boy was Master
    Girl was Miss
    Man was Mr
    Married woman was Mrs

    … this thing called equality lived over the fence. The haves and the have nots.

    In the age of Feminism, it lives between men and women … women being ‘the haves’ and men being ‘the have nots’.

    Comment by Downunder — Thu 3rd August 2017 @ 11:53 am

  8. Old Father Hubbard
    went to the cupboard
    to fetch his poor dog a bone
    but when he got there
    the cupboard was bare
    and the poor dog felt quite alone.

    Comment by Downunder — Thu 3rd August 2017 @ 1:38 pm

  9. Interesting issue with Adern being asked about becoming a mother and work/ Childcare balance etc.
    As we all know as feminist keep telling us, males have it easy and it’s far tougher on women.

    Amazing how accepted truths, old wives tales etc are often far removed from actual truth.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Thu 3rd August 2017 @ 7:23 pm

  10. Am I A Marxist? Well, If you had a desire for justice and read “Capital” and were ignorant of history then you may well answer YES. However, if you had read “Gulag Archepeligo” by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn or studied political history and valued personal freedom then the answer would have to be NO.

    As political dogma feminism offers utopia but in reality it is a destructive force decimating family values and consuming political debate to no other end but to satisfy the narcissism of a few. Am I a feminist? Only an ignoramus or a narcissist would answer YES.

    Comment by triassic — Thu 3rd August 2017 @ 9:35 pm

  11. Hi Gentlemen, it’s been a long time since I last caught up…

    It’s GREAT to see y’all still ‘alive & kicking’. Sooo happy. 🙂


    Answer .-.-. SHE BLOODY WELL BETTER BE!!!!

    It would b a disaster for everyone if she turns on progress that is vital for the people she serves.

    Comment by Julie — Sat 5th August 2017 @ 10:01 pm

  12. #10

    Marxism is back and stronger than ever.

    He and his capitalist critique is mainstream in ALL study (in case u don’t know and btw, even some political leftist think he is not for modern times and has been left in the past).

    He is extremely helpful for ‘Urban Landscape Planning’, which, if you also didn’t know, now has centre stage for urban development.

    Perhaps he was ahead of his time. 🙂

    Comment by Julie — Sat 5th August 2017 @ 10:15 pm

  13. Hey LukeNZ,

    I visit today to see if menz has a discussion on Jacinda Arden as I was contemplating whether to write one myself.

    Prior to the National [party] overhauling the Family Court, Child Support, etc… menz participants were quite politically active including communication with members of parliament (active politicians). I wondered if that included Jacinda Arden. (protesters have worked with her).


    GOOD POST, btw. I hadn’t ever considered the power of ‘A 1-liner post’. BRILLIANT!! hehe


    Anyways, menz participants, whether brand new or mature, do need to care about politicians in power.

    I haven’t followed the news, interviews, etc to give much on Jacinda. I have heard she was grilled about being a women of modern childbirth age. And I have experienced older people’s chatter suggesting ‘she’s too young’.


    I would like to give experience and the opinion I have drawn from my experience.

    HERE GOES: .-.

    I think & feel Jacinda lacks maturity & the ability to do what’s needed above what’s wanted.

    My experience with Jacinda Arden relates to CYFS and the continued and increased ‘child abduction’. Historically, single mothers had their babies stolen at the end of the war when newly created families wanted children. Because of the ‘Great Depression’, ‘wars’, and NZ’s ideology of family, single parents had their children stolen in great numbers as the demand for adoption outweighed the supply.

    This 1950’s, 1960’s, & early 1970’s is only just starting to receive political recognition.


    Forward to 2008 – 2017, the demand is again outweighing supply as individuals and couples put off child rearing for careers.

    Social workers, doctor’s, and other government and community service providers ILLEGALLY stole babies back in the day and they are ILLEGALLY stealing them TODAY and while Jacinda reigns in power.


    Jacinda is in a dilemma because she is a part of the crowd demanding babies. Not only are her PEERS pressuring her to do things that are immoral and illegal, but they are her friends, family, the people whose opinion matters.


    I have given thought on what to do. I won’t be voting National in the upcoming election for they need to be stopped from further destruction while we evaluate their damage and pick up the pieces simply for survival, imo. (if you know me, u know I vote for the party who I think can pull off the least amount of damage while in power).


    My thoughts r that I can assist by supporting Jacinda Arden the same way I have supported other politicians as they go about their important tasks. And that’s to communicate with them and teach them what they don’t know.

    Jacinda Arden is approachable. She seems respectful of others.

    The saying, “women don’t hear what men don’t say” applies to Jacinda Arden as much as did John Keys and his party….. my gosh, look at the good that came when they actually heard me (got past the anger & frustration, plus)

    Thanks LukeNZ. Hopefully u will keep my comment up. I would do the same to U. xx

    Comment by Julie — Sat 5th August 2017 @ 10:59 pm

  14. Good to hear from you Julie.
    Always good to have different perspectives on things.
    I agree with what you have said with removal of children.
    There is a demand for adoption far outstripping supply.
    Prior to the DPB it was about being able to provide for the child.
    My grandmother was allowed to keep her 1st child in the 30s but one by one at least 5 possibly 8 more were taken from her. They were fostered out or adopted out. She then got married and had 6 more. My mother was 40 when a lady, a splitting image of one of her sisters knocked on the door. Nobody knew of the 5 other children.
    What was society to do without a welfare system?
    Answer we created one.
    Now 25% of children are raised on it while Japan has 1%.
    Somethings terribly wrong.
    Children are taken now if the parent or parents are judged to not be safe parents.
    I’m sure there is far to many examples were this is absolutely wrong.
    Or where providing support to the parent would be a better result.
    Or possibly even dodgy with individuals getting kickbacks.
    I have heard some accusations but no concrete evidence.
    I have a friend who does very well, thank you taxpayers, IE makes a living raising tween plus girls. Even on one occasion when with them had one girls parents pointed out to me. They had their other two children with them and the taken girl wanted to go home, not stay with my friend. Don’t know why.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Sat 5th August 2017 @ 11:50 pm

  15. # 12. I am a little unsure if your statement reveals you as a narcissist or an ignoramus so I wonder if you could advise if you have read Gulag Archepeligo at all? The old proverb stating ‘the proof is in the pudding’ is why Marxism failed so miserably in every country that adopted it. Feminism will meet a similar demise because like Marxism it makes its subjects into objects of idealism and demands that they must conform absolutely or face dire consequences. If you believe that feminism is about equality then you certainly are an ignoramus.

    Comment by triassic — Sun 6th August 2017 @ 5:13 am

  16. @Triassic if you pray to the Sun God it will warm your neighbour’s heart.

    Comment by Downunder — Sun 6th August 2017 @ 7:04 am

  17. #15 Hi Triassic, I could read the book u propose but I think it will say something about socialism or communism. Marxism is capitalist critique. It’s amazing what’s happening.

    But then, I am talking about research. Marxist critique is being used to better society. There’s much online, you-tube, etc and much in practice. (if u want to look). If I get a chance, I will look at the book. 🙂


    Maybe we each have a different perception of Marx’s work. I got an A-, hehe. I loved it !!(learning).

    Comment by Julie — Sun 6th August 2017 @ 6:45 pm

  18. #14 Hi Darryl, thank you for your comment.

    I hear u while I wish to mention beneficiaries make up a small percentage of any and every group. Single Parents are no different.

    What upsets me is that the government keeps expanding it’s road-works budget to keep men in work who would otherwise cause trouble while it downsizes jobs women dominate.


    At the same time, single parents have to take what ever job is offered to them as they work for their benefit. Many are not real jobs, but instead an individual wanting company or free labor. i.e. ‘do you want to write a book? they will send a single parent around to your home to help you write it’. Have a dream you didn’t get around to? Single parents can come build it for you for free!!

    What’s worse is that many don’t even know about sexual harrassment in the workplace. They have zero training at anything remotely ‘a human right’. .

    ANYWAYS, you sound well and it’s nice to catch up.

    Comment by Julie — Sun 6th August 2017 @ 6:59 pm

  19. Correction, it’s Darren.
    Thanks, took the medical profession numerous chances with my first hospital admission at 5 years old, terrible mistakes and 44 years for a lightbulb to turn on by an American doctor. Completely different life with correct treatment.

    I spent 16 years of my life loosing an extra hour a day of my life due to underdeveloped roads. IE traffic jams. Fix the bloody roads.
    When the Ministry of Works and Rialways, and car plants, and F&P ,and carpet mills, and countless engineering companies closed many Men lost jobs. Governments cannot be stagnant or ignor the consequences of technology advances or fail to address present or future needs. Methods of addressing needs or the reality of cost benefit accounting can effect both sexs.
    If women want work then stop doing generally useless arts and social science degrees and learn to drive bulldozers. My sister is working after getting top in NZ in a graphics design degree as a roading inspector/reporter. Top money, vehicle, accomodation, travel. Pretty much any female with the qualification and willingness to get in the door will be hired over a male in the roading industry.
    As for benefits you are indicating that a benifit is something they own?
    A working solo mother who has never claimed the benifit is not working for the benifit as it was never hers. The women who are on benifit but complian that they gian nothing by working are being grossly unfair, especially to those women but also the general taxpayer.
    Your indicating everyone should get the benifit then any work on top of that is then not deducted from the benefit.
    I understand after $80 of earnings this effects the benifit and I myself would support a small reduction in the percentage of benifit lost due to that work. Maybe to 66%. But then any person with a child working should have their income compared to a theoretical benifit. The reality is some working women who have never claimed a benifit, once all the extras are added in actually earn less than some that are doing nothing.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Sun 6th August 2017 @ 10:04 pm

  20. @ Julie.

    Firstly I would never delete a comment from anyone even if it was bitterly against my grain. I am tolerant of everyone’s point of view until the outcome hurts someone, is unnecessary or creates an unfair loss.

    A while back I thought why would anyone want to be an MP? The pay is not that great, the hours suck, the media think it fair game to embarrass at a minimum and crucify if you can. And they can be relentless. It must cause some considerable personal stress for any MP or PM. Anyways I think some MP’s wannabees get in to the business because they had some crappy deal and want to change the law to make their particular situation turn out better for the next person.

    Within living memory woman had it tough. They were hugely restricted in choice, could not easily leave their broken and abusive marriages. Houses were only in the mans name and there was little or no support to woman and solo mothers. There was a time when getting the bash from your husband was considered acceptable, even quite normal. Woman who had babies out of wedlock were sent to special hospitals to give birth and have their babies immediately adopted out. There was no female police and low female attendance in universities. The injustices were a disgrace, appalling and loathsome. There was a time when a much better protective system for woman was put in place.

    Moving forward to 2017. In NZ all of the above is virtually gone.

    In 2017 and for 40 plus years mothers can unnecessarily withhold access for a father to see his children. For the mere act of a one night stand a man can find himself paying several hundred thousand dollars plus over an 18 year period. All without having fair access to see his own child. A man has no option other than accept his own baby be killed if the woman decides. If a woman attacks a man the man is arrested. A man can be charged with rape and go through a harrowing court trial without compensation even if it was discovered his female accuser was lying. A woman can rape a man but can’t be charged with raping a man. Men serve much longer sentences than a woman for the same crime. And on this point fathers can’t avoid jail because they are fathers but usually mothers can. Men can lose their life savings, their home just because they were shacked up with a woman for 2-3 years. This is just a short list.

    You see its about having laws that stops nasty people from hurting someone or is unnecessary or creates an unfair loss.

    So how have men decided to protect themselves? Setting up family trusts, not having children. And some men have chosen MGTOW. i.e Living a life without relationships and children. All resulting is a birthrate well below replacement. A huge number of men are now committing suicide at a rate of 4 to 1. There is a huge and ongoing man drought in western countries like NZ.

    The movement against second line feminism has very strong roots and is starting to pick up pace. More voters can see 2017 feminists aren’t interested in equality.

    Julie I think also you may have forgotten that every man has a mother and every mother wants what is best for their child. And Jacinda Ardern is not the MP to deliver fair governance for everyone.

    So at this point I need to thank you Julie. You have helped damaged Jacinda Ardern campaign and cost her votes by confirming she is a feminist.

    Have a nice day! And thanks again. xx ooo xx.

    Comment by Lukenz — Sun 6th August 2017 @ 10:52 pm

  21. Julie is either trolling or unintelligible; actually, it seems to be both.

    Comment by Man X Norton — Sun 6th August 2017 @ 11:03 pm

  22. I will be voting National this election. The last nine years have been good and long may they continue. I was hired in my current vocation seven years ago. I have enjoyed the pay rises. There isn’t any political parties interested in CS as my main concern so I look to the other things. The tax cut is the only policy that puts more money in my pocket next year. And I will receive nothing from the other parties. The people shouting about how great a change would be are the few that haven’t benefitted over the last nine years. And blame their lack of good fortune on the current GOVT. IMO they are childish at best.

    Comment by too tired — Mon 7th August 2017 @ 3:47 am

  23. This hasn’t solved OUR problem.


    Comment by Downunder — Mon 7th August 2017 @ 8:06 am

  24. Hey all, Triassic’s comment has given me an idea.

    People can ‘Critique Feminism’ from a men’s/women’s position (point of view). My gosh, that would be awesome to see among research. 🙂

    Comment by Julie — Mon 7th August 2017 @ 8:49 am

  25. Haaaahahaha laffing hahaha

    Comment by Downunder — Mon 7th August 2017 @ 9:07 am

  26. @julie Marxism was a commitment to the exploited and oppressed, not a commitment to the exploit and oppress.

    How in hell would a bunch of one-eyed cretins ever understand a critique of Feminism.

    Comment by Downunder — Mon 7th August 2017 @ 9:31 am

  27. Saturday 12th August – STUFF news “Labour won’t rest until women have equal pay in New Zealamd” –
    That confirms what we all knew

    Comment by Jerry — Sat 12th August 2017 @ 7:09 pm

  28. It confirms a few things about Jacinda Adern.
    For women to have equal pay then what’s the solution?
    Does she meen equal earnings?
    If she does then women will have to work more.
    Does she meen equal pay across industries?
    I think that’s allowed under Markist thinking.
    That may mean some industries become less viable.
    Does she mean increased pay for all female government jobs?
    Thanks taxpayers.
    Does she mean every bodies pay must be published?

    What happens when they find male groups like under 30s who are under paid?

    Comment by DJ Ward — Sat 12th August 2017 @ 8:36 pm

  29. #20 LukeNZ,

    Thank You also. Your comment is appreciated as is your attitude. 🙂

    In fact, I value your stand and in turn, your posts are now valuable to me.

    I am reminded (as a mother) of my son’s words.

    “My son, whilst presently studying, has to listen to speakers running down his race and he says to me, “I don’t like what they say, but I would fight for the right for them to say it”.

    HOWEVER, I personally need to be vigilant and stay focused on the site’s purpose. If confronted with a comment about women, especially single mothers, I need to let it bounce by and stay focused on men. (no dig at any of my friends for raising the topic, btw)

    Thanks again.

    Comment by Julie — Sat 12th August 2017 @ 9:41 pm

  30. As a thought, National has been kind to men’s issues, imo (re: separation).

    I remember the years of men here supporting and assisting other men and writing, “The laws need to be changed”.

    Reflecting back, many changes have been made. i.e, National overhauled (1) child support, (2) the Family Court, (3) Work and Income (re: beneficiaries), and (4) Child, Youth, and Family while men’s groups have grown in numbers and support for fathers received much funding. Plus men’s safety, particularly on the job is a very big deal these days (some say the Pike River mine disaster is also responsible).

    FYI, whilst reading an email for Work & Income submissions, I noticed National added something among the changes and that was, “Both parties can get a benefit in 50/50 shared parenting arrangements’. (wow, I didn’t see that one coming). And I need to follow up to see if the proposed change became a reality.

    ANYWAYS, there is more to menz issues than the law, as #20 Lukenz points out well, imo. Plus well done to the years of hard work to make changes a reality.


    Personally, I am presently concerned for other men’s issues not relating to men-women relationships & separations…. which would not be supportive of National (especially their global market take-over – the larger agenda behind overhauling social issues -imo btw).

    I realise, understand and respect the need for the online men’s movement to stay focused on their present issues too and for this reason, I feel I should go back to the shadows for a while. (plus, as Judge Peter Boshier pointed out to me as the Ombudsman”I am a nobody…” – I need to change this lol).

    Comment by Julie — Sat 12th August 2017 @ 10:50 pm

  31. Of greater interest to me was the comment from NZ First MP Tracey Martin:

    After admonishing the crowd for booing …

    “Jo [Goodhew] did not have to show up here today,” she said. This was going to be a hard audience for her. And women don’t turn on women. We must stick together and be respectful of women.”

    Comment by Evan Myers — Sun 13th August 2017 @ 7:17 am

  32. @julie, so what did you take this to mean? The statement from Ombudsman Boshier

    That you are a ‘nobody’.

    Comment by Downunder — Sun 13th August 2017 @ 7:37 am

  33. Sounds very renditious of New Testament mythology:

    We are all one body in Christ (I.E. the church )

    We are all one body in Women (I.E. the state)

    Comment by Evan Myers — Sun 13th August 2017 @ 7:54 am

  34. According to Ardern and the feminists, the gender pay gap is the most important thing to address even though most of it is due to normal factors such as ‘supply and demand’, women’s prioritization of careers and the interruption to their employment and therefore their experience due to taking time out for children. Yes, it’s important we find ways of reducing the cost to women’s financial security currently caused by their maternal role. Even here though, the feminists fail to acknowledge the extent to which our relationship property laws already address this to some extent.

    Of course, Ardern and her selfish femaleists don’t place any importance on closing the many other gender gaps many of which much more clearly result largely from sexism. Trivial little matters such as:
    – the suicide gender gap,
    – the justice system treatment and sentencing gender gap,
    – the parenting-one’s-own-children gender gap,
    – the life-span gender gap,
    – the homelessness gender gap,
    – the work-role death and serious injury gender gap,
    – the teaching profession gender gap
    – the health services gender gap

    to name just a few.

    Gender equality is only of concern to femaleists when it’s women seen as disadvantaged; otherwise it’s of no concern.

    Comment by Man X Norton — Sun 13th August 2017 @ 9:01 am

  35. Khartoum Place the location of the rally has its own history.

    The article refers to this as ‘The Suffrage Memorial’. It is not a suffrage memorial of men and women – it is an artistic location containing a memorial to women’s suffrage, more so, to non-maori women, as there is a separate location for that memorial.

    This does illustrate the current economic perspective of the ‘political economy’ in which ‘demand and supply’ has replaced supply and demand.

    That is a dangerous economic formula.

    Comment by Downunder — Sun 13th August 2017 @ 9:42 am

  36. If we can’t all play by the same rules, what do we do?

    Cancel the vote.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Sun 13th August 2017 @ 10:54 am

  37. Men fought for the bloody thing in the first place.

    Then we fought wars for it.

    Now, we have to fight women for it.

    I don’t know. Is this all women or just the selfish bitches.

    Comment by Downunder — Sun 13th August 2017 @ 11:01 am

  38. DJ Ward write ‘young male voters who have been deluded into becoming White Nights by our feminist education system’. Young or old we are constantly being duped by the feminist education system. When I was at university we were always hearing about female genital mutilation in Africa, which along with other feminist talking points was being slipped in with little context. Never one word was mentioned about male genital mutilation. It is high time we stood up for our children who are circumcised following the ancient practice of barbaric savages from Africa. Infant boys cry so hard when circumcised they can choke on their tears. The severe pain and trauma must have ongoing effects. One is extreme insensitivity they will suffer for the rest of their lives. It’s about time men looked after their children. How about saying ‘HIS BODY, HIS CHOICE’! Another example of the appalling dishonesty and hypocrisy of the feminist movement that harms our own defenceless children and it is happening right in front of us

    Comment by Doug — Sun 13th August 2017 @ 12:50 pm

  39. You only need to ask a Navy medic what can happen to the uncircumcised male, to know why that might have been done in our distant past.

    I agree, no need for it these days.

    I don’t see the relationship between male and female circumcision, the basis each being a different set of circumstances, unless you were suggesting they are a form of identification, always at your fingertips.

    Comment by Downunder — Sun 13th August 2017 @ 1:11 pm

  40. It wouldn’t matter if it was Africa or Mars, it would still be more important than anything happening to men in New Zealand.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Sun 13th August 2017 @ 1:25 pm

  41. Trust me girls, if I’m Prime Minister, you’ll be getting the money.

    Does Ardern think that’s all women voters need to know?

    Are women voters that politically naive, that they would vote on that basis?

    I know, don’t ask the question if you’re not prepared for the answer.

    Comment by Downunder — Mon 14th August 2017 @ 6:58 am

  42. The road to hell is paved with good intention.


    You mentioned building roads as a means of economic recovery.

    That’s the road Ardern is offering the her audience, as another man might put it.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Wed 16th August 2017 @ 7:50 am

  43. @31 Most nominations for New Zealander of the year

    Women can do no wrong – some women do better than others.

    Did you see this one coming?

    Metiria Turei, a student of Helen Clark – how to kill a political party with one hand tied behind your back.

    Comment by Downunder — Mon 28th August 2017 @ 7:46 am

  44. Jacinda Ardern is due to turn up at Mt Albert Grammar shortly but a break down in communication means the media have excluded from going into the school buildings. She is due to meet the Feminist Club.

    How convenient.
    No details of what’s discussed.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Fri 1st September 2017 @ 11:55 am

  45. No sign of Jacinda here at feminism headquarters, parliament.
    I have come down to join a few others that have braved the rain to protest about the many ways fathers are discriminated against by government officials.
    Security has erected barriers to prevent men walking on the steps of parliament, when females walk up the security office opens the barrier to let them access the halls of power.

    Comment by Voices back from the bush — Fri 1st September 2017 @ 12:06 pm

  46. @Evan Myers #31

    We’ll find out soon enough just how Feminist the country’s new elected ‘leader’ is, but as you point out there’s no doubt where the current deputy leader of New Zealand First sits.

    Comment by Downunder — Tue 31st October 2017 @ 4:50 am

  47. This was a little portion I pulled from an article featuring Tracey

    Martin is a self-professed feminist in the true meaning of the word.

    She once asked her daughter what she thought a feminist was, she responded, “a woman who thinks she’s better than a man”.

    Martin was quick to correct saying, “no, a feminist is a woman who believes she’s equal to a man. A woman who thinks she is better than a man is Mum”.

    Comment by Voices back from the bush — Tue 31st October 2017 @ 1:18 pm

  48. So, a man who thinks he is better than a woman is a Dad?

    Comment by Downunder — Tue 31st October 2017 @ 2:21 pm

  49. If you ask me what a Feminist is, after all these years, I would say;

    “A woman who trots out some bullshit about equality, because they think you’re dumb enough to believe it, but would attack you, undermine you, censor you, or destroy your career, if they thought you could see through them.”

    He’ll may have no fury like a woman scorned, but Feminism sure as hell, ain’t the way to heaven.

    Comment by Downunder — Thu 2nd November 2017 @ 8:31 am

  50. In the current non-debate (as per normal National has gone lame duck opposition) about the pregnant PM it is interesting to look back on these comments.

    In the light of the PMs 5 day visit to Waitangi especially the comment related to separate liberation mememorials.

    This morning news that, and against Māori protocol, Adern is expecting to speak rather than sit down the back with the other pregnant women.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Tue 23rd January 2018 @ 9:46 am

  51. 8.45 morning TV this morning:

    Is Law Commissioner Helen McQueen a Feminist?

    Comment by Evan Myers — Thu 8th February 2018 @ 7:07 am

  52. Well on this quiet evening with nothing much to do I decided to write an email to the Prime Minister to ask for half of one percent of the 76m budget increase she announced for domestic violence services to go towards NZ’s first domestic violence outreach centre for male victims.

    I see on her website she has spent many years as an advocate for children and women.

    I wonder if my evening would’ve been more productive if I’d spent the night in the hills digging for oysters and clams?

    Comment by voices back from the bush. — Wed 9th May 2018 @ 11:02 pm

  53. #52
    To suggest NZ’s first is pretty insulting to many other initiatives.
    ManAlive, ManLine, MSSATT, MOSAIC, KND all have do and do their bit and yes some crumbs fall their way.

    Comment by Old Timer — Thu 10th May 2018 @ 2:35 pm

  54. This situation has arisen before, and because the history is not well publicised most men’s iniatives remain relatively unknown.

    SFST had its first refuge in West Auckland, its second in South Auckland.

    Sir Paul Catton has a private refuge in East Auckland.

    Jim Bagnall’s attempt ended up in a scrap with Henderson Police and never eventuated.

    And I am sure there are many others.

    And this is always the starting point, let’s start a men’s refuge.

    And then we’re back to the same story, that once there is funding it is always under threat from the screaming Feminists.

    Comment by Downunder — Thu 10th May 2018 @ 3:08 pm

  55. Why would Jim Bagnall be threatened by Police over a refuge?

    Comment by Evan Myers — Thu 10th May 2018 @ 3:20 pm

  56. Long story but it goes back to Domestic Violence Wednesday at the Waitakere Court, which was just a bullshit lock the male up and get a conviction processing unit by the West Auckland Domestic Violence Squad, and they didn’t want a men’s refuge on their patch complicating their processing plant.

    Comment by Downunder — Thu 10th May 2018 @ 3:26 pm

  57. 15.4 Mill to “fill gaps”. I am sure that addressing men, men’s issues and men as victims, and men as perpetrators who can change are all very significant gaps that need some filling.

    From MSD (ministry of Social Development) provider update of today’s date

    Significant funding boost for family violence services
    As part of Budget 2018, Government announced $76.157 million of additional funding over four years to support the stabilisation and strengthening of MSD-funded family violence services for victims, perpetrators and their families. This funding will be rolled out as follows:

    New funding for family violence services 2. Filling gaps in service delivery – 15.379

    Comment by Old Timer — Thu 10th May 2018 @ 5:04 pm

  58. What did it say in the indexed statement at 15.379 ?

    Comment by Downunder — Fri 11th May 2018 @ 6:44 am

  59. It said $15,379,000 being the money that has been made available in the significant funding boost for family violence services to fill gaps in service delivery.
    That might be things like Services for men as victims. MSAAT are currently getting something over 500k pa for this work already. They have plans to do more as well.
    It could be for work with education.
    I rounded up the 15.379 to 15.4 Million sorry if that confused you.

    Comment by Old Timer — Fri 11th May 2018 @ 11:43 am

  60. @54,55 & 56.
    To address the record.
    I have not been knighted.nor would be a worthy recipient if thrust upon me.
    “The East Auckland Refuge for Men with Families” changed to the “South Auckland Refuge for Men with Families” when Opal and bought a home in Manurewa.
    This self funded public service ceased to operate about 5 years ago due to ability to operate under present culture.
    The District Area Commander for Waitakere, Inspector Mark O’Connor threatetened me with the inclusion of arrest.
    For wishing to establish a refuge where we both resident at the time.

    Comment by Paul Catton — Fri 11th May 2018 @ 9:31 pm

  61. I instigated the refuge proposal, Jim and I were almost inseparable at the time. The Police DV co-ordination specialist thought it erstwhile and had fruition, management took it personal.

    Comment by Paul Catton — Fri 11th May 2018 @ 9:53 pm

  62. And to take forum etiquette aside, I would really like to have Downunder contact me if he’s able, 021 221 9192.

    Comment by Paul Catton — Fri 11th May 2018 @ 10:28 pm

  63. A subtle but significant development is happening on Parliament’s Finance & Expenditure Committee which could recommend to Parl that new budget indicators include unpaid work, largely done by women, be included in national radically altering our measurement of economy.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Fri 17th August 2018 @ 9:43 am

  64. I think we can rule out the slight possibility that Ardern wasn’t a Feminist or isn’t in fact Auntie Helen’s mini-me.

    The reality of my experience has been patently obvious.

    “That’s what they’re up to now, what are we going to do about that?”

    Comment by Downunder — Sun 26th August 2018 @ 3:35 pm

  65. And the United Nations gets another squeezy toy.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Mon 24th September 2018 @ 12:55 pm

  66. Gender inequality will always be on the agenda both domestically and internationally, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Sat 29th September 2018 @ 3:55 pm

  67. Hmmm.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Thu 2nd December 2021 @ 7:02 am

  68. Hell yes, but she is a fake one with fake empathy who only cares about herself. You can tell this by her massive salary $400k plus benefits and the fact her ‘sisters’ are struggling to put a simple roof over their heads. She has failed massively to address housing, cost of living, and so much more. Although covid has been a success. I agree with health and safety. But an absolute joke if you look at her record for housing and issues she could really control and fix. I mean c’mon why not have all women tradies. How about more equality and money for a bit of leisure. There is none for people on low wages believe me. Absolutely nothing. She is nothing more than another greedy politician. Well done cindy. She must feel really good about herself.

    Comment by s — Thu 2nd December 2021 @ 10:23 pm

  69. Jacinda would not shout even if a shark bit her.

    Comment by s — Thu 2nd December 2021 @ 10:30 pm

  70. Is Ardern a feminist?

    That is beyond reasonable doubt now.

    In the last 24 hours we’ve seen that men and dissenting women do not have an opinion.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Thu 9th December 2021 @ 9:53 am


    Comment by Downunder — Tue 19th July 2022 @ 5:21 pm

  72. Well I can’t see, a leadership challenge.
    As I can’t imagine, who would replace her.
    And things going wrong, is normal.
    So why would she be in trouble, and lose her job.

    A bigger issue, is the electorate and economics.
    Can National get the votes, by selling fiscal responsibility.
    If they can’t, then they are the same as voting Labour.
    So the swing voter, may just stay with Labour.

    I suspect COVID, will not be a election issue.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Tue 19th July 2022 @ 7:31 pm

  73. No time than now do we need to run our country as a business,
    this is not currently the case,
    I hope people will recognise this in time.

    Comment by mama — Wed 20th July 2022 @ 7:30 pm

  74. The US government earned 4 trillion, but spent 6 trillion.
    For all the bright people, they can’t help but be reckless.
    We are not immune, to the US economy.
    And due to inflation, printed money costs more.
    Those invested in bonds, may lose with inflation.
    Nobody may actually want, more printed money.

    So while our government is bad, it’s not US bad.
    Imagine the correction, to balance that budget.
    Which is the aim, of a functioning business.
    Then again, interest rates are rising for the indebted.
    Demand for wage rises increase, along with prices.
    Less and less is purchased, and there’s recession.
    Vulnerable businesses, will spend more than they earn.
    Fewer profits get taxed, just when they need income.

    I notice that, as a concept.
    To maximise debt, to what can be afforded.
    Comments of more is OK, as the ratios aren’t bad.
    I don’t think the idea works, if it’s just spending.
    Which is what our government does, being reckless.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Thu 21st July 2022 @ 8:15 pm

  75. I think my comment #1, was about right.
    This article, examines feelings.

    Some humans seem, naturally opposites.
    Differences exist, the causes are many.
    Some with strong feelings, some weak feelings.
    But averaged, things are somewhat even between parties.
    An about equal number is left thinking, as is right thinking.

    The graphs on feelings, shows the extremes.
    Some love Jacinda, but some also hate her.
    How is that possible, to be both things.
    A person deserving love, must be doing great things.
    A person deserving hate, must do the worst things.
    What is magnificent, and what is abhorrent.
    An equal number are afraid, and concerned.

    No surprise in saying, humans can be illogical.
    Somehow people can hate a person, while others love them.
    Why isn’t the result, all humans have the same feelings.
    Each feeling with overwhelming, not equal numbers.

    I think feelings, are very important in elections.
    As time goes by governments, make more bad feelings.
    More people have a bad experience, and there’s mistakes.
    How many people became angry, due to COVID restrictions.
    How many people became pleased, by her COVID response.
    Or taxing farmers made protests, while others celebrate.

    If a right voter feels harmed, nothing changes for Jacinda.
    If a left voter feels harmed, feelings can change voting.
    It’s much harder for the opposition, to hurt feelings.
    Even when a global event, called inflation happens.
    It’s the person in power, who gets the blame.
    The opposition can win, just by not doing anything stupid.

    My advice to Jacinda, is to slow down interest rate rises.
    Being more optimistic it’s high enough, in the longer term.
    As negative events happen, more may get bad feelings.
    If house prices are falling, and living costs are rising.
    The interest rate setting, is all ready working.
    Hundreds of thousands, have rising mortgages to pay.
    How many of her supporters, will get a negative experience.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Sat 5th November 2022 @ 9:47 pm

  76. Talking about feelings, and feminism in politics.
    We have adjustments, for financial benefits as new policy.

    It’s not a bad idea, budgeting for a number of children.
    But this policy, is accepting dependency.
    The taxpayer, has to actually fund the changes.
    But it feels good, helping children an parents.

    But where is questioning costs, and wages.
    If they work but can’t survive, they don’t get paid enough.
    It is a subsidy for the employer, using people.
    They need childcare to work, but it’s not in the pay rate.
    Without help, costs of care don’t justify working.
    Does it feel good, to support financially the low wage boss.

    You could argue about free childcare, as policy.
    So no subsidies exist, needing this payment policy.
    Providers getting a basic rate, per child hour.
    Some marketing to rich parents, expecting fees.
    So income testing childcare, making the rich pay.
    The poor still get it free, but not high earners.

    The cause of the problem, should contribute to costs.
    Business would say, it’s already in the tax rate.

    As for feminism, it’s about who gets the money.
    Since most kids, live with the mother.
    With less fathers, caring for children.
    Inevitably women get more money, from the change.
    So it’s acceptable to feminism, men getting less.
    Done without discrimination, so not saying men get less.
    Many women will feel good, getting more money.

    What happens with the money, with 50/50 care.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Sun 6th November 2022 @ 8:11 pm

  77. I don’t think anyone would have predicted the size of the mess but at least she has finally resigned.

    Comment by Downunder — Thu 19th January 2023 @ 2:16 pm

  78. I for one made no predictions, for her resignation.
    Certainly whoever takes over, gets a bad deal.
    Some for years have predicted the insanity, of the financial system.
    It will be hard to find for the new PM, good news for the election.

    I have written somewhere, about prosecuting her.
    The person in charge, of many wrongs done to men.
    But I guess, now the new PM technically has responsibility.
    Who then would want the job, with that burden.

    I for one actually liked Jacinda, despite her politics.
    And I respect the job, with its endless hours of 24/7.
    And she as a leader was elected twice, and remains undefeated.
    Who know what’s next from her, I doubt she’s finished.

    As for the economy, geez what a mess.
    Not that global things, can be blamed on her.
    The future will find out, what the mistakes actually were.
    As new farmers and landlords, the peak home buyers go bankrupt.

    Maybe nobody in the circumstances, will want to be PM.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Thu 19th January 2023 @ 7:07 pm

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