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As the new leader of the Gender Politics Party I think a few people might get manipulated into thinking that she will bring in new ideas and help the party recover from the wilderness. She is however a feminist of the ” we want to be equal to men except where we are advantaged” genre. There is no doubt by reading the very long comments section taking place on Stuff that the general population is so brainwashed that they can’t see the appalling dishonesty and bigotry of the feminist movement.
She quotes feminist literature. Scary.
I struggle to see how she can attract male voters back to the party and a fair portion of the female voters she gains will be from the greens.
It is possible that the large number of young male voters who have been deluded into becoming White Nights by our feminist education system, and yet to have their lives destroyed by female sexual predators and the legal system could be attracted to the party.
To answer your question.
Is she a feminist?
Yes, the most dangerous type.
One with a close relationship with, and loved by the media.
If you complain, you enable. If you want to make an impression, be proactive and boast about your accomplishments.
Who cares if she is a feminist, she’s just a little girl.
We are the men, basically the woman’s foundations are built on sand, when everything goes belly up, men will be relied upon….
The idea that feminism means gender equality is as ridiculous as suggesting that male-ism would mean the same as gender equality. Those interested in gender equality would call themselves ‘equalists’. Nevertheless, the truth is that MRAs seek gender equality much more than feminists ever have.
Raybon Kan wrote this piece of feminist sarcasm today. Clever it was and it would be funny to those captured by feminist ideology. It got me thinking about some of the real questions a man might ask Adern concerning the Labia Party. For example,:
“It seems that the feminist arse-licking by White Knight males in the Labia Party has not added anything to their popularity, so will the Labia Party continue to push female-favouring ideology?”
“Will the Labia Party now announce new policy to increase gender inequality in sentencing so that most NZ men are kept in prison?”
Do others have good ideas for truly justified questions men could ask Adern?
If anyone is short of a political picture this link will take you back to the 2014 election posts.
4, Yes Raybon Kan’s article is quite clever, so Im posting the link.
I too have some questions for Labours new leader.
Which I will phrase and post when I have time free.
Perhaps if we phrase them a bit neater, we might actually get some answers.
This woman needs some red pilling.
But for now- Coffers to pay, – we dont get rained off, just rained on.
@3 For those of us that are old enough to remember the days when a:
Boy was Master
Girl was Miss
Man was Mr
Married woman was Mrs
… this thing called equality lived over the fence. The haves and the have nots.
In the age of Feminism, it lives between men and women … women being ‘the haves’ and men being ‘the have nots’.
Old Father Hubbard
went to the cupboard
to fetch his poor dog a bone
but when he got there
the cupboard was bare
and the poor dog felt quite alone.
Interesting issue with Adern being asked about becoming a mother and work/ Childcare balance etc.
As we all know as feminist keep telling us, males have it easy and it’s far tougher on women.
Amazing how accepted truths, old wives tales etc are often far removed from actual truth.
Am I A Marxist? Well, If you had a desire for justice and read “Capital” and were ignorant of history then you may well answer YES. However, if you had read “Gulag Archepeligo” by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn or studied political history and valued personal freedom then the answer would have to be NO.
As political dogma feminism offers utopia but in reality it is a destructive force decimating family values and consuming political debate to no other end but to satisfy the narcissism of a few. Am I a feminist? Only an ignoramus or a narcissist would answer YES.
Hi Gentlemen, it’s been a long time since I last caught up…
It’s GREAT to see y’all still ‘alive & kicking’. Sooo happy. 🙂
Question .-.-. IS JACINDA ARDEN A FEMINIST?
Answer .-.-. SHE BLOODY WELL BETTER BE!!!!
It would b a disaster for everyone if she turns on progress that is vital for the people she serves.
Marxism is back and stronger than ever.
He and his capitalist critique is mainstream in ALL study (in case u don’t know and btw, even some political leftist think he is not for modern times and has been left in the past).
He is extremely helpful for ‘Urban Landscape Planning’, which, if you also didn’t know, now has centre stage for urban development.
Perhaps he was ahead of his time. 🙂
I visit today to see if menz has a discussion on Jacinda Arden as I was contemplating whether to write one myself.
Prior to the National [party] overhauling the Family Court, Child Support, etc… menz participants were quite politically active including communication with members of parliament (active politicians). I wondered if that included Jacinda Arden. (protesters have worked with her).
GOOD POST, btw. I hadn’t ever considered the power of ‘A 1-liner post’. BRILLIANT!! hehe
Anyways, menz participants, whether brand new or mature, do need to care about politicians in power.
I haven’t followed the news, interviews, etc to give much on Jacinda. I have heard she was grilled about being a women of modern childbirth age. And I have experienced older people’s chatter suggesting ‘she’s too young’.
I would like to give experience and the opinion I have drawn from my experience.
HERE GOES: .-.
I think & feel Jacinda lacks maturity & the ability to do what’s needed above what’s wanted.
My experience with Jacinda Arden relates to CYFS and the continued and increased ‘child abduction’. Historically, single mothers had their babies stolen at the end of the war when newly created families wanted children. Because of the ‘Great Depression’, ‘wars’, and NZ’s ideology of family, single parents had their children stolen in great numbers as the demand for adoption outweighed the supply.
This 1950’s, 1960’s, & early 1970’s is only just starting to receive political recognition.
Forward to 2008 – 2017, the demand is again outweighing supply as individuals and couples put off child rearing for careers.
Social workers, doctor’s, and other government and community service providers ILLEGALLY stole babies back in the day and they are ILLEGALLY stealing them TODAY and while Jacinda reigns in power.
Jacinda is in a dilemma because she is a part of the crowd demanding babies. Not only are her PEERS pressuring her to do things that are immoral and illegal, but they are her friends, family, the people whose opinion matters.
I have given thought on what to do. I won’t be voting National in the upcoming election for they need to be stopped from further destruction while we evaluate their damage and pick up the pieces simply for survival, imo. (if you know me, u know I vote for the party who I think can pull off the least amount of damage while in power).
My thoughts r that I can assist by supporting Jacinda Arden the same way I have supported other politicians as they go about their important tasks. And that’s to communicate with them and teach them what they don’t know.
Jacinda Arden is approachable. She seems respectful of others.
The saying, “women don’t hear what men don’t say” applies to Jacinda Arden as much as did John Keys and his party….. my gosh, look at the good that came when they actually heard me (got past the anger & frustration, plus)
Thanks LukeNZ. Hopefully u will keep my comment up. I would do the same to U. xx
Good to hear from you Julie.
Always good to have different perspectives on things.
I agree with what you have said with removal of children.
There is a demand for adoption far outstripping supply.
Prior to the DPB it was about being able to provide for the child.
My grandmother was allowed to keep her 1st child in the 30s but one by one at least 5 possibly 8 more were taken from her. They were fostered out or adopted out. She then got married and had 6 more. My mother was 40 when a lady, a splitting image of one of her sisters knocked on the door. Nobody knew of the 5 other children.
What was society to do without a welfare system?
Answer we created one.
Now 25% of children are raised on it while Japan has 1%.
Somethings terribly wrong.
Children are taken now if the parent or parents are judged to not be safe parents.
I’m sure there is far to many examples were this is absolutely wrong.
Or where providing support to the parent would be a better result.
Or possibly even dodgy with individuals getting kickbacks.
I have heard some accusations but no concrete evidence.
I have a friend who does very well, thank you taxpayers, IE makes a living raising tween plus girls. Even on one occasion when with them had one girls parents pointed out to me. They had their other two children with them and the taken girl wanted to go home, not stay with my friend. Don’t know why.
# 12. I am a little unsure if your statement reveals you as a narcissist or an ignoramus so I wonder if you could advise if you have read Gulag Archepeligo at all? The old proverb stating ‘the proof is in the pudding’ is why Marxism failed so miserably in every country that adopted it. Feminism will meet a similar demise because like Marxism it makes its subjects into objects of idealism and demands that they must conform absolutely or face dire consequences. If you believe that feminism is about equality then you certainly are an ignoramus.
@Triassic if you pray to the Sun God it will warm your neighbour’s heart.
#15 Hi Triassic, I could read the book u propose but I think it will say something about socialism or communism. Marxism is capitalist critique. It’s amazing what’s happening.
But then, I am talking about research. Marxist critique is being used to better society. There’s much online, you-tube, etc and much in practice. (if u want to look). If I get a chance, I will look at the book. 🙂
Maybe we each have a different perception of Marx’s work. I got an A-, hehe. I loved it !!(learning).
#14 Hi Darryl, thank you for your comment.
I hear u while I wish to mention beneficiaries make up a small percentage of any and every group. Single Parents are no different.
What upsets me is that the government keeps expanding it’s road-works budget to keep men in work who would otherwise cause trouble while it downsizes jobs women dominate.
At the same time, single parents have to take what ever job is offered to them as they work for their benefit. Many are not real jobs, but instead an individual wanting company or free labor. i.e. ‘do you want to write a book? they will send a single parent around to your home to help you write it’. Have a dream you didn’t get around to? Single parents can come build it for you for free!!
What’s worse is that many don’t even know about sexual harrassment in the workplace. They have zero training at anything remotely ‘a human right’. .
ANYWAYS, you sound well and it’s nice to catch up.
Correction, it’s Darren.
Thanks, took the medical profession numerous chances with my first hospital admission at 5 years old, terrible mistakes and 44 years for a lightbulb to turn on by an American doctor. Completely different life with correct treatment.
I spent 16 years of my life loosing an extra hour a day of my life due to underdeveloped roads. IE traffic jams. Fix the bloody roads.
When the Ministry of Works and Rialways, and car plants, and F&P ,and carpet mills, and countless engineering companies closed many Men lost jobs. Governments cannot be stagnant or ignor the consequences of technology advances or fail to address present or future needs. Methods of addressing needs or the reality of cost benefit accounting can effect both sexs.
If women want work then stop doing generally useless arts and social science degrees and learn to drive bulldozers. My sister is working after getting top in NZ in a graphics design degree as a roading inspector/reporter. Top money, vehicle, accomodation, travel. Pretty much any female with the qualification and willingness to get in the door will be hired over a male in the roading industry.
As for benefits you are indicating that a benifit is something they own?
A working solo mother who has never claimed the benifit is not working for the benifit as it was never hers. The women who are on benifit but complian that they gian nothing by working are being grossly unfair, especially to those women but also the general taxpayer.
Your indicating everyone should get the benifit then any work on top of that is then not deducted from the benefit.
I understand after $80 of earnings this effects the benifit and I myself would support a small reduction in the percentage of benifit lost due to that work. Maybe to 66%. But then any person with a child working should have their income compared to a theoretical benifit. The reality is some working women who have never claimed a benifit, once all the extras are added in actually earn less than some that are doing nothing.
Firstly I would never delete a comment from anyone even if it was bitterly against my grain. I am tolerant of everyone’s point of view until the outcome hurts someone, is unnecessary or creates an unfair loss.
A while back I thought why would anyone want to be an MP? The pay is not that great, the hours suck, the media think it fair game to embarrass at a minimum and crucify if you can. And they can be relentless. It must cause some considerable personal stress for any MP or PM. Anyways I think some MP’s wannabees get in to the business because they had some crappy deal and want to change the law to make their particular situation turn out better for the next person.
Within living memory woman had it tough. They were hugely restricted in choice, could not easily leave their broken and abusive marriages. Houses were only in the mans name and there was little or no support to woman and solo mothers. There was a time when getting the bash from your husband was considered acceptable, even quite normal. Woman who had babies out of wedlock were sent to special hospitals to give birth and have their babies immediately adopted out. There was no female police and low female attendance in universities. The injustices were a disgrace, appalling and loathsome. There was a time when a much better protective system for woman was put in place.
Moving forward to 2017. In NZ all of the above is virtually gone.
In 2017 and for 40 plus years mothers can unnecessarily withhold access for a father to see his children. For the mere act of a one night stand a man can find himself paying several hundred thousand dollars plus over an 18 year period. All without having fair access to see his own child. A man has no option other than accept his own baby be killed if the woman decides. If a woman attacks a man the man is arrested. A man can be charged with rape and go through a harrowing court trial without compensation even if it was discovered his female accuser was lying. A woman can rape a man but can’t be charged with raping a man. Men serve much longer sentences than a woman for the same crime. And on this point fathers can’t avoid jail because they are fathers but usually mothers can. Men can lose their life savings, their home just because they were shacked up with a woman for 2-3 years. This is just a short list.
You see its about having laws that stops nasty people from hurting someone or is unnecessary or creates an unfair loss.
So how have men decided to protect themselves? Setting up family trusts, not having children. And some men have chosen MGTOW. i.e Living a life without relationships and children. All resulting is a birthrate well below replacement. A huge number of men are now committing suicide at a rate of 4 to 1. There is a huge and ongoing man drought in western countries like NZ.
The movement against second line feminism has very strong roots and is starting to pick up pace. More voters can see 2017 feminists aren’t interested in equality.
Julie I think also you may have forgotten that every man has a mother and every mother wants what is best for their child. And Jacinda Ardern is not the MP to deliver fair governance for everyone.
So at this point I need to thank you Julie. You have helped damaged Jacinda Ardern campaign and cost her votes by confirming she is a feminist.
Have a nice day! And thanks again. xx ooo xx.
Julie is either trolling or unintelligible; actually, it seems to be both.
I will be voting National this election. The last nine years have been good and long may they continue. I was hired in my current vocation seven years ago. I have enjoyed the pay rises. There isn’t any political parties interested in CS as my main concern so I look to the other things. The tax cut is the only policy that puts more money in my pocket next year. And I will receive nothing from the other parties. The people shouting about how great a change would be are the few that haven’t benefitted over the last nine years. And blame their lack of good fortune on the current GOVT. IMO they are childish at best.
This hasn’t solved OUR problem.
CHILD SUPPORT IS A DEBT TO THE CROWN
Hey all, Triassic’s comment has given me an idea.
People can ‘Critique Feminism’ from a men’s/women’s position (point of view). My gosh, that would be awesome to see among research. 🙂
Haaaahahaha laffing hahaha
@julie Marxism was a commitment to the exploited and oppressed, not a commitment to the exploit and oppress.
How in hell would a bunch of one-eyed cretins ever understand a critique of Feminism.
Saturday 12th August – STUFF news “Labour won’t rest until women have equal pay in New Zealamd” – https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/95721263/jacinda-ardern-says-labour-wont-rest-until-women-have-equal-pay
That confirms what we all knew
It confirms a few things about Jacinda Adern.
For women to have equal pay then what’s the solution?
Does she meen equal earnings?
If she does then women will have to work more.
Does she meen equal pay across industries?
I think that’s allowed under Markist thinking.
That may mean some industries become less viable.
Does she mean increased pay for all female government jobs?
Does she mean every bodies pay must be published?
What happens when they find male groups like under 30s who are under paid?
Thank You also. Your comment is appreciated as is your attitude. 🙂
In fact, I value your stand and in turn, your posts are now valuable to me.
I am reminded (as a mother) of my son’s words.
“My son, whilst presently studying, has to listen to speakers running down his race and he says to me, “I don’t like what they say, but I would fight for the right for them to say it”.
HOWEVER, I personally need to be vigilant and stay focused on the site’s purpose. If confronted with a comment about women, especially single mothers, I need to let it bounce by and stay focused on men. (no dig at any of my friends for raising the topic, btw)
As a thought, National has been kind to men’s issues, imo (re: separation).
I remember the years of men here supporting and assisting other men and writing, “The laws need to be changed”.
Reflecting back, many changes have been made. i.e, National overhauled (1) child support, (2) the Family Court, (3) Work and Income (re: beneficiaries), and (4) Child, Youth, and Family while men’s groups have grown in numbers and support for fathers received much funding. Plus men’s safety, particularly on the job is a very big deal these days (some say the Pike River mine disaster is also responsible).
FYI, whilst reading an email for Work & Income submissions, I noticed National added something among the changes and that was, “Both parties can get a benefit in 50/50 shared parenting arrangements’. (wow, I didn’t see that one coming). And I need to follow up to see if the proposed change became a reality.
ANYWAYS, there is more to menz issues than the law, as #20 Lukenz points out well, imo. Plus well done to the years of hard work to make changes a reality.
Personally, I am presently concerned for other men’s issues not relating to men-women relationships & separations…. which would not be supportive of National (especially their global market take-over – the larger agenda behind overhauling social issues -imo btw).
I realise, understand and respect the need for the online men’s movement to stay focused on their present issues too and for this reason, I feel I should go back to the shadows for a while. (plus, as Judge Peter Boshier pointed out to me as the Ombudsman”I am a nobody…” – I need to change this lol).
Of greater interest to me was the comment from NZ First MP Tracey Martin:
After admonishing the crowd for booing …
“Jo [Goodhew] did not have to show up here today,” she said. This was going to be a hard audience for her. And women don’t turn on women. We must stick together and be respectful of women.”
@julie, so what did you take this to mean? The statement from Ombudsman Boshier
That you are a ‘nobody’.
Sounds very renditious of New Testament mythology:
We are all one body in Christ (I.E. the church )
We are all one body in Women (I.E. the state)
According to Ardern and the feminists, the gender pay gap is the most important thing to address even though most of it is due to normal factors such as ‘supply and demand’, women’s prioritization of careers and the interruption to their employment and therefore their experience due to taking time out for children. Yes, it’s important we find ways of reducing the cost to women’s financial security currently caused by their maternal role. Even here though, the feminists fail to acknowledge the extent to which our relationship property laws already address this to some extent.
Of course, Ardern and her selfish femaleists don’t place any importance on closing the many other gender gaps many of which much more clearly result largely from sexism. Trivial little matters such as:
– the suicide gender gap,
– the justice system treatment and sentencing gender gap,
– the parenting-one’s-own-children gender gap,
– the life-span gender gap,
– the homelessness gender gap,
– the work-role death and serious injury gender gap,
– the teaching profession gender gap
– the health services gender gap
to name just a few.
Gender equality is only of concern to femaleists when it’s women seen as disadvantaged; otherwise it’s of no concern.
Khartoum Place the location of the rally has its own history.
The article refers to this as ‘The Suffrage Memorial’. It is not a suffrage memorial of men and women – it is an artistic location containing a memorial to women’s suffrage, more so, to non-maori women, as there is a separate location for that memorial.
This does illustrate the current economic perspective of the ‘political economy’ in which ‘demand and supply’ has replaced supply and demand.
That is a dangerous economic formula.
If we can’t all play by the same rules, what do we do?
Cancel the vote.
Men fought for the bloody thing in the first place.
Then we fought wars for it.
Now, we have to fight women for it.
I don’t know. Is this all women or just the selfish bitches.
DJ Ward write ‘young male voters who have been deluded into becoming White Nights by our feminist education system’. Young or old we are constantly being duped by the feminist education system. When I was at university we were always hearing about female genital mutilation in Africa, which along with other feminist talking points was being slipped in with little context. Never one word was mentioned about male genital mutilation. It is high time we stood up for our children who are circumcised following the ancient practice of barbaric savages from Africa. Infant boys cry so hard when circumcised they can choke on their tears. The severe pain and trauma must have ongoing effects. One is extreme insensitivity they will suffer for the rest of their lives. It’s about time men looked after their children. How about saying ‘HIS BODY, HIS CHOICE’! Another example of the appalling dishonesty and hypocrisy of the feminist movement that harms our own defenceless children and it is happening right in front of us
You only need to ask a Navy medic what can happen to the uncircumcised male, to know why that might have been done in our distant past.
I agree, no need for it these days.
I don’t see the relationship between male and female circumcision, the basis each being a different set of circumstances, unless you were suggesting they are a form of identification, always at your fingertips.
It wouldn’t matter if it was Africa or Mars, it would still be more important than anything happening to men in New Zealand.
Trust me girls, if I’m Prime Minister, you’ll be getting the money.
Does Ardern think that’s all women voters need to know?
Are women voters that politically naive, that they would vote on that basis?
I know, don’t ask the question if you’re not prepared for the answer.
The road to hell is paved with good intention.
You mentioned building roads as a means of economic recovery.
That’s the road Ardern is offering the her audience, as another man might put it.
@31 Most nominations for New Zealander of the year
Women can do no wrong – some women do better than others.
Did you see this one coming?
Metiria Turei, a student of Helen Clark – how to kill a political party with one hand tied behind your back.
Jacinda Ardern is due to turn up at Mt Albert Grammar shortly but a break down in communication means the media have excluded from going into the school buildings. She is due to meet the Feminist Club.
No details of what’s discussed.
No sign of Jacinda here at feminism headquarters, parliament.
I have come down to join a few others that have braved the rain to protest about the many ways fathers are discriminated against by government officials.
Security has erected barriers to prevent men walking on the steps of parliament, when females walk up the security office opens the barrier to let them access the halls of power.
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