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Justifying the consequence

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 4:13 pm Mon 21st August 2017

In two generations the application of Feminist thinking and goals has turned the Western World inside out.

Today, the society around us, struggles to bear much resemblance to what many of us are familiar with, and likewise what is familiar to many has little attachment to the history it descended from.

It is a confused mess, and men are not completely but more on the loosing end of this rapid change.

We must reach a point, and perhaps we have, where no matter what a male behaviour is, we try and find a reason or a justification for it, simply to avoid continuing persecution.

This mirrors the behaviour of Feminism, finding no fault in women, through some unorthodox study, to make all women, normal and equal.

It is an impossible world – destructive world – that many, I’m sure, wish would just go away.

The real question is, what if anything are men trying to justify, because it is a consequence of the separation of the sexes, when we shouldn’t bother?

(There’s nothing wrong with us, and there’s nothing wrong with us either.)


  1. Eventually we will reach an Amazonian society that will then collapse, leading to another “patriarchy”.

    Comment by BabyMeat — Tue 22nd August 2017 @ 6:41 pm

  2. Maybe the politicians will talk themselves into their ever decreasing circle, and build a wall around Welly Town, and we can all remember, that we didn’t need them as much as they thought.

    Comment by Downunder — Wed 23rd August 2017 @ 10:59 am

  3. As far as I’m concerned the quicker Kelvin Davis builds a wall around himself and becomes irrelevant the better.

    That white ribbon has become tiresome.
    This is his solution for addressing suicide.

    Davis said the underlying causes – like sexual and domestic violence – needed to be addressed.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Wed 23rd August 2017 @ 6:53 pm

  4. That’s what he said the day he got in.


    Comment by Downunder — Wed 23rd August 2017 @ 7:25 pm

  5. “This mirrors the behaviour of Feminism, finding no fault in women, through some unorthodox study, to make all women, normal and equal.”

    Here’s an example.
    Why the hell is a women studies group studying this?
    Are they telling me my dad bods healthy or change is dangerous?
    The study is very unorthodox.
    Clearly any diet risks are outweighed by the health gains.
    But I guess that there is some harm caused by diet scams and bad science.
    Are they justifying something about themselves blindly ignoring the complete picture or are they so well practiced at manipulating arguments focusing on one fact while claiming the big picture is irrelevant. Creating a justification to prevent change and progress.

    Oh no wait, it’s an “ism” they are trying to justify. Fatism.
    I actually agree with them that obese people will experience discrimination but the evidence is overwhelming that it’s self inflicted. I know my behaviours have caused my dad bod and my partners energy drink, McDonalds, coke, lollies adictions have contributed to hers. The only diet harm we have experienced is the cost of all the exercise machines she buys and never uses.

    Sorry about the source, it might be fake news.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Wed 23rd August 2017 @ 10:19 pm

  6. Holy Mother of God,

    I wonder who came up with that idea?

    Comment by Evan Myers — Wed 23rd August 2017 @ 10:23 pm

  7. I think curvy women are most attractive which means I discriminate with thin-ism.
    I like blonde’s and mousy haired girls, I am of course racist.
    I don’t much like the vexatious or the loud therefore Im a schovanistic bastard that demands subservience.
    I still use the word health, while the educated use the word healthfulness so Im unlearned.

    This article claims :
    “while a thin person is given medication or other appropriate treatments, a heavy person with the same symptoms may simply be told to lose weight,”

    Why would a thin person be given medication thats “approprate” if they have good health and how could they have the same symptoms of a fat person unless they visit the doctor with a non weight related problem like – herpesiplexfulness?

    It also claims that fertillity drugs and contraceptive pills and antibiotics dont work to cure obesity… isnt this because they are drugs which are prescribed for another purpose?

    Why dont they prescribe a low fat diet and a ten minute walk twice a day? Is it because the people are food addicts and they dont have much self control?

    Or is it a hereditary monothesis for example Evan @ 6 you mention the holy mother of God, do you think she might have overfed her daughter or perhaps she could have enrolled her in another class?

    Comment by voices back from the bush — Thu 24th August 2017 @ 1:21 am

  8. @7 it was more along the lines:

    Not look what I’ve created, now I’m the creator of all things, sorry for the drift.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Thu 24th August 2017 @ 6:39 am

  9. voices @ 7: I think the article’s point about antibiotics, fertility drugs and contraceptive pills was that they don’t work for their intended purposes on obese individuals.

    It is true that dieting increases the risk of eating disorders and that people’s weight tends to return to increased levels. However, establishing long-term moderate eating and exercise habits is effective, just very difficult for obese people to do. It is important to start by self-acceptance because if a person hates him/herself and his/her body then it’s unlikely (s)he will look after it.

    Interesting that a Women’s Studies program focused on an issue that affects both men and women. I wonder how they weave this issue into their female victim status.

    There’s an adult comic called ‘Viz’ that has comic strips similar to the old children’s ‘Beano’ and ‘Buster’. Some of the content is clever, some of it gross, some quite fun for those not too afflicted by viruses of offendedness and political correctness. One of the strips is called ‘Fat Slags’. Here’s a YouTube puppet-type movie about them:

    Comment by Man X Norton — Thu 24th August 2017 @ 11:10 am

  10. 9 Yes I’m sure your right about the antibiotics etc.

    Thanks for the link to the stop motion comic. Its very funny.
    I forgot all about the Viz comics with the fat slags.
    Actually I didn’t forget, I just didn’t remember.

    Comment by Voices back from the bush — Thu 24th August 2017 @ 2:25 pm

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