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Scott v Williams

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 9:57 am Tue 12th December 2017

Supreme court divorce case.

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  1. Here’s the decision from the Supreme Court …..

    Comment by golfa — Wed 13th December 2017 @ 10:23 am

  2. The Supreme Court upheld the intention of the Clark govt law: Legalized theft by women of men’s assets earned through men’s own talents and effort.

    Comment by Man X Norton — Thu 14th December 2017 @ 9:11 am

  3. @2 I would call that a narrow view of the situation, when you consider the transfer of assets, in pāticular houses in an inflating market and the total loss of estates by men in lower income brackets, and the massive net transfer of wealth to women’s estates.

    How much they give to the children of the relationship(s) or their current pet is up to them.

    Money isn’t everything but it certainly keeps the children in touch.

    Comment by Downunder — Thu 14th December 2017 @ 10:11 am

  4. What lawyer in his right mind would have advised Police to lay charges of the CTV building when that would equality apply to lawyers being charged as the cause of suicides through their unprofessional conduct.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Thu 14th December 2017 @ 10:19 am

  5. This decision underlines the importance of the upcoming review of the Act.
    If a party leaves (which is most often the female), there has to be consequences.
    I hesitate to use the word ‘fair’ maybe preferring ‘justice’.
    The way things are under the current Act there is no justice and their needs to be some serious thinking about where the changes to the Act have taken society.
    I am hoping to make a submission but it is a very busy time of the year.Maybe the timing was done on purpose.

    Comment by allan — Sat 16th December 2017 @ 8:39 pm

  6. allan @5: Please do make a submission. You seem to have important insight. The feminists will definitely be making submissions and they will be pushing to increase the extent of legalized theft by women from men.

    Comment by Man X Norton — Sun 17th December 2017 @ 7:38 am

  7. The reality of the last 20 years, regardless of submissions, has been very consistent – what they don’t like, one way or another, finds its way to the red bin.

    Comment by Bevan Berg — Sun 17th December 2017 @ 9:21 am

  8. It’s irresponsible to try to discourage people from participating in the democratic processes. If people don’t make submissions then their voices will not be heard at all. Although it’s fair to say that men’s concerns have not had as much impact as we might like, law reviews and select committees would have resulted in much worse outcomes without the submissions made by us and others.

    Please make submissions to this Law Commission review of the Relationship Property Act. Without men’s voices things could easily get a whole lot worse. The Clark government already extended legalized theft by women from men and there’s plenty of ways our new femaleist government (led by a party that chose its candidates on the basis of genitals more than merit) will readily follow the Law Commission’s recommendations to invent new ways to steal more from men.

    Sumbissions need not be long or complicated. Have a look at the Law Commission’s information, then just write your opinion and share your experiences and thoughts and send them.

    Comment by Ministry of Men's Affairs — Mon 18th December 2017 @ 7:55 am

  9. @8 Yes, you’re right, Feminists have turned it into a fine art and that has been detrimental to the political process.

    Perhaps submissions to the Law Commission could be reproduced on Menz, to ecourage debate.

    Comment by Downunder — Mon 18th December 2017 @ 11:49 am

  10. The Internet and Female Abuse.
    This seems to be the new hobby horse for Dr Jury of Woman’s Refuse according to the Herald. NB was this a hobby horse of Helen Clark and a key aspect of her Failed (thank goodness) UN bid?
    I seem to recall her retroic on this area. Watch the Dr Jury/ Government Stance on female abuse.

    Dr Jury is having another go at Financial Abuse of the poor female.

    Perhaps she might consider how dad’s are doing.

    Does anyone buy the Herald?
    Hey guys stop buying it.
    Hey guys do not have children in nz.
    Do not live with women in nz unless you move into her house and only pay rent, do not do not work or renovate her house
    Get a vasectomy
    Only use condoms (your own)

    Comment by Bradley Petherick — Fri 29th December 2017 @ 5:27 am

  11. What we need is a course for male teenagers and young adults. This course is to prepare male teenagers for the reality of modern society in respect of relationships.
    Young males should be schooled on all the ways they will be made to pay for having a relationship and for having children.

    I imagine an education package of resources available on the web. Also for use in schools, clubs and for parents to prepare their sons.
    If we had the money for it, we would market the information packs to parents but tailor the delivery to teenage boys.

    The motive would be two fold. Firstly it would be educate older boys and young menon how the system treats them in terms of making relationship decisions. The second and indirect, goal would be that this would create increasing pressure on society to change to make things fairer for the next generation of males.

    I can just imagine the uproar if teenagers and young men were being educated on how the law and the shadow of the law is applied to them in all things pertaining to relationships. However this uproar would be hypocritical because the material would be factual in every detail.

    However since I don’t have any sons, I’ll only float the idea for others to consider.

    Comment by Vman — Mon 8th January 2018 @ 4:14 pm

  12. It would be good to see more media articles on the net news about big names like John Cleese paying 24 million in divorce settlements.

    Could you imagine advice on money hungry woman looking for a free ride being distributed in schools.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Mon 8th January 2018 @ 4:26 pm

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