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About Feminism

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 12:55 pm Fri 13th July 2018

For the average bloke it’s about the monkey on your back and how to get rid of it.

When it comes to making some sense of Feminism perhaps the first reasonable answer that identifies with your circumstances and the way it has affected you is sufficient.

But when it comes to change within Feminism or to Feminism that requires a better understanding.

The word féminisme surfaced in 1837 and represented a body of thought within philosophy.

This material/writing isn’t that easy to find, but it’s there if you make the effort to hunt it down and you have to go back this far to get some conceptual understanding of their thinking. You may take the view that they were influenced to some degree by Hegel and Kant.

To put Marx in perspective he was 19 years old at this point of recognition of Feminism. Remembering that Marx in terms of influence is one of the most significant figures in world history, the anti-capitalist – the debate might be whether Marx influenced Feminism or whether Feminism found Marxism a suitable vehicle.

You might look at our own development with say the old age pension. The reason for its introduction is not so much that we were leaning in that direction but it was a means to avoid what was considered an intolerable situation in England with people forced to scratch a living until their dying day.

Likewise Feminism has been a constantly evolving beast that always has a contemporary side that they have become adept at managing on an international basis.

Others take a more practical view that the WW11 let women into the workforce and the Vietnam War let their political views aside from the vote out from behind their husband’s gate.

Then we are surprised by yet another ‘Wave-of-Feminism’ but we shouldn’t be. We should understand that the beast will not change from its original goals, from its endless demands. The more it is fed the more it demands. What it doesn’t accept it won’t acknowledge or skirts around.

The process does not change women in isolation (every action a reaction) and so men are in a state of constant uncertainty.

Our acknowledgement of this is historical – look what happened there.

If you want to express a philosophical interpretation, jump right in, opinions welcome.

If you’re a bricklayer and want to build a wall around Wellington you may also be able to help.

Regardless, the boys are not on the winning side of this war.


  1. The latest and youngest ever addition to the Forbes rich list is Kylie Jenner.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Fri 13th July 2018 @ 6:25 pm

  2. Sometimes I am with you poster but more often than not I wonder if we are not involved in a witch hunt here.
    Feminism has not a meaning apart from being a label that applies to anyone that wants equal rights between men and women.
    But men and women are not equal.
    In fact women are superior, stronger, more resilient and essential.
    In fact men come into the picture simply because of their need by women, as a complementary being to support and assist women in their purpose to foster life by any and all means necessary.
    We are simply one of those means by which life exploit itself.
    And yet a woman needs a man to look up to.
    A man to protect her and that she can cherish.
    A man to provide for her so she can raise his seeds.
    How funny…..

    Rather than the focus being feminism I hope one day we can learn what it is to be a man.
    Because frankly the proceeds from boyz 2 men has been hijacked.
    And if this continues, we will have boyz-No-Man

    Comment by JustCurious — Sat 14th July 2018 @ 4:05 pm

  3. Feminism has not a meaning apart from being a label that applies to anyone that wants equal rights between men and women.

    If you want to believe that, please yourself, it’s not going to stop feminists who hold a different interpretation of the word.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Sat 14th July 2018 @ 4:33 pm

  4. Men still rule the world, you are the everythings, so why worry… the surgeons, the pilots, the land scapers, the mechanics, the electricians, the internet services, the very lifeblood to society, if all mean were to strike , society would stop, gulp and swallow its’ pride.. for at least that day.

    Comment by mama — Sat 14th July 2018 @ 7:32 pm

  5. If you want to believe that, please yourself, it’s not going to stop feminists who hold a different interpretation of the word.

    Exactly – fighting feminism is making just laws for everyone.

    The only law that exist is your bill of right – everything else is sugar coating.

    It is this sugar coating we need to remove and go back to the essence of the law – your bill of rights

    from Wiki

    A bill of rights, sometimes called a declaration of rights or a charter of rights, is a list of the most important rights to the citizens of a country. The purpose is to protect those rights against infringement from public officials and private citizens.

    from BORA

    The New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990 (BORA) protects and promotes human rights and fundamental freedoms in New Zealand.

    a bit of history

    The concept of a bill of rights as a statement of basic individual freedoms derives in part from the English Bill of Rights, passed in 1689 (see appendix volume for primary document). This document, which was created after the Glorious Revolution of 1688, established the terms by which William and Mary were accepted as king and queen of England. It forbade the monarchy to suspend laws, raise taxes, or maintain an army without consent of Parliament. It also declared that freedom of speech in Parliament could not be challenged, protected those accused of crimes from “excessive bail” and “cruel and unusual punishments,” and provided a number of other privileges and freedoms

    we can keep moaning about feminism or we can take it to parliament and say – where are my rights?

    Comment by JustCurious — Mon 16th July 2018 @ 10:50 am

  6. I’m not sure how I came across this but somehow it appeared on my Google feed.

    It’s a Spinoff Article about how bad MOMA is.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Thu 19th July 2018 @ 3:59 pm

  7. #6: It’s actually an article showing how bad The Spinoff is.

    Comment by Ministry of Men's Affairs — Thu 19th July 2018 @ 4:54 pm

  8. Dammit I feel another rant coming up from my depths…
    Can I hold it?
    Shall I hold?
    Too late…. here it comes

    This is a good article not because it helps in any way but simply because it shows the attitude of other men whom have not walked a step in our shoes.
    It does highlight how much we stand to loose when the dice are already so stacked against men.
    And when wounded men are like zombies everywhere arguing, bitching and moaning and protesting about feminism. (on this site particularly)
    I think it turns people away from the help and assistance they could get from others like them.
    it actually works against us and show us men to be not much but moaning bitches rather than men.
    I accept we have all been hurt hence why we are here.
    I accept we have been wounded, targeted, abused, discriminated against and royally fucked by our women and through them, our society in general
    And wherever we have ran to seek help, assistance and a friendly ear, have been ousted, vilipended, defamed and persecuted.
    That is our common story.
    But we are not these stories.
    WE are bigger than these stories.
    I am kinda waiting for a day when we can understand that and accept that what happened happened because we did not know any better.
    WE must however understand that what happened was our own fault too.
    IF not entirely then at least partially. We contributed into it.
    WE picked the wrong woman or we were seduced by her into believing she was the right one
    WE engaged with that women that destroyed our lives.
    WE put kids into them and the end did not pan out as we thought.

    This in some ways, was the biggest catalyst to grow the fuck up we men could get.
    “Go back and reassess your priorities. Remodel your illusions and redefine your reality”

    Actually that might have been the best thing that ever happened to us.
    OUr illusions were removed and reality was discovered to be different (should we not be thanking them?)
    And through this; have they not polished us and made us the best men we could be?
    The best fathers?
    The best partners –

    I would have never been able to appreciate my current partner if not for my previous relationships.
    And she most likely would not have appreciated me, had she not had a similar experience.
    An experience that forces you to look into yourself
    This experience like that of the alchemist which has transformed the lead into gold.

    So Somehow,somewhere along the road, we took the wrong path with the wrong person and that is what lead us here.
    And growing up means stopping the bitching and moaning and name calling and label distributing and taking it on the cheek but work collaboratively to prevent this same madness from affecting the next generation.

    It is coming and it is already here.

    It appears that MOMA summit was not a failure but more of a misguided event with poor resources but reassuring to know that men are rising and trying their best to attend such an event. And it must be commended as a good effort.

    I however think we got it all wrong. WE are fighting windmills here.
    WE are wasting ink and ranting about all sorts of things but essentially what are we doing to make a change?

    What can we do to make that change?

    MOMA at least is trying and men are responding.
    I know Allan Harvey and kids need dad and many other small groups are trying and doing something.
    And it appears those are the few people we never hear on this board unless necessary.

    Maybe because they are busy making changes?

    I am fucking hungry to work at something,contribute into something and set up something so that my kids do not walk n the same path I walked.

    I am also getting disgruntled at the rhetoric on this site that seems to have no end.
    When men talk of the weather – women are making such weather.
    It’s not that men cannot make the weather. It’s just that women act but men don’t.

    Comment by JustCurious — Thu 19th July 2018 @ 5:07 pm

  9. @7 I looked at that. Written by Eammon Marra. Supposedly a comedian/writer.

    The article doesn’t say much for him, his ability or the organization that found it fit to print.

    Comment by Downunder — Thu 19th July 2018 @ 5:44 pm

  10. This is a good article not because it helps in any way but simply because it shows the attitude of other men whom have not walked a step in our shoes.

    It doesn’t show the attitude of other men.

    What it shows is the attitude of someone deeply affected by an experience that made him feel both inclined to and justified in launching an attack on a group of people he has no understanding of or resents because he relates that to his life.

    Effectively it is a female voice a feminist voice that gained either financially emotionally or both from the experience.

    This is often part of the subjective experience of Feminist journalism and something you obviously don’t understand.,

    Comment by Downunder — Thu 19th July 2018 @ 5:51 pm

  11. On Eammom Marra, god forbid,…I never trust the forever student,, putting his experiences in his never ending journal so as to continually bounce off life and those around him at the time..

    Comment by mama — Thu 19th July 2018 @ 9:57 pm

  12. @ 10 – I suggest your read the introduction to his article again.
    This is from a man – notwithstanding his stance but from a fellow man.
    So it does show the attitude of other men. (possibly gay?)
    It’s like racism and counter racism.
    And the mixed blood (lighter) people stuck in between wanting as much separation from the dark fellows as they can so they are not all tarred by the same brush.
    Which effectively makes them more racist than the white supremacists.
    And if other men can spout such attitude – imagine.
    Easy to say this is feminism and continuously blame feminism.

    Comment by JustCurious — Fri 20th July 2018 @ 9:53 am

  13. And if you think of the impact the media may have had on this fellow for him to have to disguise himself as a normal man (albeit wounded) (i wonder if we carry a 6 foot cross with us wherever we go) to approach fellow men ( apparently so disgruntled they set them selves on fire in public places) – it borders on pathology

    Comment by JustCurious — Fri 20th July 2018 @ 9:56 am

  14. Katie Bradford
    Jackie Blue told @NZQandA the UN are “shocked” at the way women are treated in the Family Court. They are considering sending a special Rapportuer here to look at what’s going on. More on @1NewsNZ at 6.

    What bullshit has our Human Rights Commission delivered to make an international body think like this?

    Comment by Evan Myers — Sun 22nd July 2018 @ 11:27 am

  15. #12 a man?

    A male, no doubt, but a man?

    Or a personality that finds comfort in the opposite sex by compliance with that groups ideology.

    Comment by Downunder — Sun 22nd July 2018 @ 12:01 pm

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