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   The post probably needs a little explanation, or am I missing something?

   Comment by Downunder — Fri 13th July 2018 @ 9:23 am

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   Okay, fair enough….I think that we need to celebrate the ongoing contribution that our men are making toward better societies, health and well being of all peoples,, our country is renowned for such things as these….that was all.

   Comment by mama — Fri 13th July 2018 @ 12:05 pm

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   The irony is some singular events transformed mankind.

   We don’t know if a man or woman invented making fire, slings, wheels, animal husbandry, the bow and arrow, writing, tanning, etc etc.
   We could postulate scenarios, and be guided by what we know about inventing. Most will have thier origins in a male trying to solve a problem, or male youth doing unpredictable things to show off. My opinion for example is that it was likely to have been a female who invented making fire. Probably where she was rubbing a stick like a drill to make a hole in another piece of wood. Probably already needed to understand fire, burning things, etc from lightning caused fires. But the reality is it could be from a quite bizarre, never to be even considered event by a different species that we copied.

   The person who stands out the most will always be Newton.
   He invented calculus at the same pace that normal humans attempt to learn it. In doing so he unlocked the ability of mankind to understand everything (until a new inconceivable breakthrough is made). The moment he published his calculus and his Laws we went from a species incapable of even understanding the universe to a species capable of travel within its own solar system and in theory capable of traveling to other stars.

   There are obviously many other breakthroughs in knowledge and it is no secret that most for some reason are by men. Electric motors, transformers, light bulbs, radio, TV, nuclear energy, planes, rockets, bailing machines, hydraulics, telescopes, logic, etc etc.

   Ultimately at some point in mankinds history a man did something profound.
   That one action by a man is the reason we are in the shithole of inequality that we live in now.
   It’s always men’s fault.

   Comment by DJ Ward — Sat 14th July 2018 @ 11:31 pm

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   There could be many Newtons in history whose ability is neither measured or recorded.

   The two history changing inventions are

   1. Ceramics in cooking that allowed the move from nomadic to settled living, better use of food.

   2. Discover of glass and the benefits to science and medicine.

   Both probably accidents of fire but none the less progressed real life.

   Comment by Evan Myers — Sun 15th July 2018 @ 8:05 am

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   In a world where technology is yet to catch up with the known possibilities perhaps lauding real initiatives closer to home is more relevant;

   Funding for a ground-breaking mental health scheme to ease strain on emergency services has been axed by the Government. 

   An $8 million co-response service would see a mental health worker attend all crisis calls along with police and ambulance staff. Officials believed it could slash the number of mentally ill people being locked up in police cells by as much as 75 per cent.

   But Health Minister David Clark has dumped the programme, which was due to begin in September.

   We not only have a problem with male prison bed spaces but the overflow from the lack of women’s beds moving into male prisons, kids being held in police cells, and an initiative like this goes begging.

   Comment by Downunder — Sun 15th July 2018 @ 9:54 am

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   Then from the same article;

   Earlier this month police revealed a spike in suicide related callouts – up by more than 50 per cent in five years. There were around 14,500 received in 2013 and 21,700 last year.

   In January, the Government announced an inquiry to improve mental health services. It is due to report back in October.

   “It’s only $8m and it’s not controversial about whether it will work. Everyone supports it,” Bishop said. “It feels like everything is out on hold until the inquiry comes back but the need is there now and the money was there.”

   But Clark disputes that and says National had not properly allocated the funding. 

   All sounds very petty when families are struggling and emergency services are drained.

   Comment by Downunder — Sun 15th July 2018 @ 10:02 am

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   Downunder, this all goes toward a good case in point that family is the all important factor in our lives and prevention is always going to be better than cure.

   Keeping the family together is therefore paramount to stabilising mental health.

   Now we have massive problems because of the family breakdown in our society and it is largely government funded. While solo parents can still afford to live in a nice house and eat steak for dinner

   On ‘3’- DJ,, Of course it is possible that a cavewoman invented fire, but some how I doubt it.

   Comment by mama — Sun 15th July 2018 @ 10:46 am

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   @7 Family may also point to what is missing in modern society, the stability of the intergenerational overlap in family structure, the help of extended family.

   Less conflict in disciplined families and less dependency to find resolutions.

   How many mental health situations occur in the no-mans-land between what used to be and what the State can’t be?

   Comment by Downunder — Sun 15th July 2018 @ 11:15 am

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   @7

   Cavewoman invented the club.

   Caveman get fire from mountain.

   Comment by Downunder — Sun 15th July 2018 @ 11:27 am

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    @9

    Cavewoman beat caveman with club to go get fire from mountain. Caveman replies “UGH!”.
    Cavewoman promises sex to go get fire from mountain. Caveman stands for the first time and runs to the mountain.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Sun 15th July 2018 @ 1:32 pm

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    Oh, DJ!

    They were two separate statements.

    She found the meat like Wookie meat was a bit chewy.

    But really the caveman as such is mostly a myth created by old assumptions and modern potrayals like the Flintstones that puts dinosaurs from an earlier time zone in the same frame as any known cave dwellers.

    Ugs and Ahs are a literary device that avoids putting actual words or a language in the mouths of characters and often portrays the man as stubborn and ignorant.

    That’s not to say cave dwellers didn’t exist in some specific cases, but aside from that the cave is nothing more than a more secure environment for archeological remnants.

    Comment by Downunder — Sun 15th July 2018 @ 2:23 pm

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    Hey apparantly,, acording to a lot of academics on the subject of caveman, cavewoman, it was quite an equal society..so recent feminism must be payback I guess and whoah..man ( woe man ) can be mean..

    Comment by mama — Sun 15th July 2018 @ 3:56 pm

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    The issues were more likely survival and cooperation.

    I doubt equality featured in their discussions.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Sun 15th July 2018 @ 5:51 pm

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