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Effectively Resisting the Feminist Juggernaut

Filed under: General — Audi Alteram Partem @ 10:35 pm Sun 21st October 2018

Instead, we would like to see many more thoroughly violent responses from men when feminist violence is done to them.

This excerpt is from MoMA’s original post on Jamie Lee Ross.

Many on this site have advised that we can learn a lot from the “old hands”. With them making quotes like that I’m not so sure that there is much of anything useful to learn at all.

Yes, yes, I know that I have taken the excerpt out of it’s context, but so will feminists when men’s rights starts getting some more public attention. Saying such things is a PR disaster.

On the 3rd November there will be a meeting of people who want to take action to make a real difference in men’s lives. My take is that we need to counteract the dominant narrative that men are bad. We need to say “Men are good!”

But I suggest that we need to do this in word and in deed. I suggest that to win support we need to take the moral high ground.

The Medium is the Message!

We need to say men are good and we need to speak and act as good men and women. Extolling violence of any kind will not be seen as good.

That’s my opinion. What do you all reckon?


  1. “Maturity is not a matter of age. You have matured when you are no longer concerned with showing how clever you are, and give your full attention to getting the job done right. Many never reach that stage, no matter how old they get.”

    Thomas Sewell

    Comment by Evan Myers — Mon 22nd October 2018 @ 7:25 am

  2. I guess we are trying to create a new etiquette and gag the old hands with censorship and ridicule.

    Tis is expected and a rather fascinating development in the wise man’s journey and attempts to join a company of fools.

    Now that he knows he cannot hide his mind, he must bring down dissention among the company and possibly end up with half the votes of the company.

    In one hand first he casts aspersion. In the other, he supposedly brings a purported solution to the issue created.

    Funny Downunder had started a post called the “Feminist Male”. I think he did it because I was dangerously near saying the same things Audi is raising. Maybe this is his opportunity to redirect his posts to a more worthy opponent.

    It is not what is being attempted by the way about it that does not smell right.

    Comment by JustCurious — Tue 23rd October 2018 @ 9:38 am

  3. here it is:

    Comment by JustCurious — Tue 23rd October 2018 @ 9:40 am

  4. When Politically correct speech came about, freedom of speech was exiled from the modern world.

    When the Domestic Violence Act came about, an argument among private members of society became fuel for litigation and public prosecution.

    When the child anti smacking law came about, every parent is criminal whom is believed to have used force.

    In between these three major and fundamental laws, We have gay lesbians and transgender rights.

    Right to marriage and lately right to be called whatever a mad man thinks he is a woman wants to be called.

    Failure to conform means one can be prosecuted for failing to call them by their chosen gender which can be any combination of sounds, words or utterances.

    Eventually, the Family and the Words violence have been copyrighted to mean Force and abuse. And though such redefinition, the state has “been” granted “itself” rights beyond its purpose.

    People who cannot see this distinction may be more harmful to society than the sum of all pogroms put out there since the first chinese revolution or the first russian progrom.

    Now that the feminist agenda has achieved its purpose in attacking and destroying the family, the next attack is on gender.

    Soon there will be no man or woman. We will be defined as child bearer and inseminator (for lack of a better purpose)…

    THE gay, lesbian and trans community is the one needed now to establish the next phase of this vicious agenda. SO the shift has already happened and the United Nations are pushing this agenda out.

    People want to react against feminism but that is reprogramming society in its entirety. But feminism is a dead ideology. It’s time has expired, only thing we are feeling now is the consequences of such.

    Many efforts have failed because they are myopic in their scope.

    They do not address the global political economical pressures and nor do they account for the internal political pressures that align the internal with the external pressures.

    First of all going back to democratie….. HOw many people know that the only principle of democratie in full force and effect is opposition parties?

    How many people know that this party’s purpose is no other than to influence the populace into believing that there is a balance of power and checks and balances in place to protect individual freedoms?

    How many know that this is just an illusion?

    That the same people funding one party are the same people funding the other parties. And that both parties, essentially serve the same agenda? Instruments of the UN?

    People are happy for as long as they have someone to blame.

    Labour makes social reforms that bankrupt the country (by Design)

    This gives the banks more powers and increases our indebtness to them and being forced to take instructions form external geopolitical agendas.

    National comes around and uses it as an excuse to sell off all national assets, take the land away from Kiwis and empowers the banks to rob and steal so much, inevitably inflation raises and an economic collapse follows.

    We the idiots, are happy looking into Jami lee Ross mind and bedroom antics.
    Audi and Downunder are at it refining and redefining what feminism means.
    Feminists are busy conducting fund raisers and courting the MPS and Ministers for better laws for them and which are already in line with the global agendas.

    The division continues…
    The ego war prevails.
    The stealing of Human inalienable rights is the agenda.

    and life goes on…

    Comment by JustCurious — Tue 23rd October 2018 @ 10:32 am

  5. I like this JC… just a wee walk in the park for you, the story of grim reminder that we are so small and the for the ones in power and the powerful ,,, they just go on doing what they do…and life goes on…

    Comment by mama — Tue 23rd October 2018 @ 10:43 am

  6. @5 – I am not sure how to interpret your comment.

    Comment by JustCurious — Tue 23rd October 2018 @ 6:48 pm

  7. Yeah, yeah we know we’re all stupid and incompetent and you Audi know better. Things will get much better for men through calling #metoo ‘great’, claiming there’s nothing wrong with the Domestic Violence Act and generalizing ‘protection’ orders that were not based on false allegations as applying to men who communicate with their fists. We could easily take a lot of your statements out of context too, though in your case the context wouldn’t improve matters much.

    And nice work, to follow the feminist ploy of taking men’s statements out of context in order to belittle those men, even though your belittling claims to be on different grounds.

    We note though that the statement about treating feminist violence with violent responses grabbed your attention enough to repeat it and discuss it. Usually writing about men’s issues is ignored by the media and it takes something bold to get noticed. Whether feminists then criticize it or not is more or less irrelevant. There’s no appeasing them as you will probably find out.

    You have also followed the feminist tradition of claiming others said things they never did in order to take cheap shots. We don’t recall ‘many on this site’ or even one person who has advised that we can learn a lot from the ‘old hands’. Perhaps there was someone. Never mind, who needs accuracy and fairness when making stuff up will provide a convenient way to belittle others?

    This is a forum for discussion, expression and development of opinion about men’s issues. That’s an important function. We have criticized others for writing things that really would bring the movement into disrepute. However, robust statements are important, and actually it’s good for people to know how angry men are becoming. There are many differing opinions and occasional heated debate here, but seldom the kind of destructive stuff you are doing.

    We would like to see the submissions you have made to select committees and parliamentary reviews, the letters to the editor that you have written, the research you have produced about men’s issues etc. Oh right, that’s all wrong and not getting men anywhere and you’ll do much better, we forgot.

    Comment by Ministry of Men's Affairs — Tue 23rd October 2018 @ 8:29 pm

  8. @4 Thanks JC. I always enjoy your philosophical musings even if I disagree with some of them. What I must though take categorical exception to is your proposition that “life goes on”

    For 475 men in NZ last year life most definitively did not, “go on”. For innumerable other men life is as good as destroyed by addiction and mental-illness. Much of this this is caused by a war being raged against men.

    I’m disinterested in debating the meaning of feminism. I only wish to save men from further harm. If feminist inspired things are harming men then I’m diametrically opposed to them. If no harm is being caused then I’ll save my breath.

    Comment by Audi Alteram Partem — Tue 23rd October 2018 @ 9:58 pm

  9. @7 Gosh MoMA, you’ve certainly given me a thorough tongue-lashing. If I were a troll (which I’m not) I’d be rolling on the floor laughing out loud at the invective that was evoked.

    I really will soon stop all this posting nonsense and get on with the business of saving men from harm, but in the meantime, I’m having so much fun. It’s like a game of cat and mouse. (Sorry MoMA… you’re the mouse!) This really brings out the worst in me.

    I never, ever, ever said you were stupid or that I know better. Did I MoMA? If I did then quote me. Or in the alternative apologise. No cheating now! I’ve said plenty of times that what you were saying was stupid – I never said that you were stupid.

    I suspect that your maladapted coping mechanism on being challenged is to revert to attacking the messenger. Don’t despair though MoMA. Help is at hand. I recommend consulting with a Registered Clinical Psychologist. Don’t see a quack. Only a certified professional can help when it’s got this bad.

    See? I can talk shit just as much as you can. I could go on and on unpicking what you’ve said. But… it helps nobody… sigh!

    I respect what the Ministry of Men’s Affairs has done for men’s rights. Why don’t you try to respect what others are trying to do using a different approach? We have the same aims. Why don’t we work together against the common enemy, instead of fighting among ourselves?

    Comment by Audi Alteram Partem — Tue 23rd October 2018 @ 10:44 pm

  10. @9: It will help when you stop making statements like the following which contradict your claim that you’ve never said people on this site are stupid. You may not have used the word but the meaning was the same. No doubt you will try to claim otherwise, slipping and sliding.

    With them making quotes like that I’m not so sure that there is much of anything useful to learn at all.

    Any fool can say something is no good.

    There, there, Downunder. It’s okay. Don’t go getting yourself all upset

    you will both make a fool of yourself and discredit men’s rights at the same time.

    Grow up!

    Lucky that there are big strong men like you MoMA who can deliver a real manly smack to a small child.

    Talking of wet… is that moisture behind your ears?

    why don’t you try using some intelligent discernment?

    if we were both sheep dogs – you’d be the one frothing at the mouth and attacking sheep – and I’d be the eye dog who just want’s to get the sheep in the pen.

    Doug you are clearly a crazed misogynist who couldn’t care less about woman’s rights. Whinny boy-men like you are so full of indignant male privilege that you can’t see past your own self-interest. You see all women as a threat to your relentless tactics of power and control.

    because you are a grumpy old codger

    you so bitter and twisted

    The haters and bullies on this site slink away like the cowards they are

    you just make yourself look silly!

    the expression “couldn’t organise a piss-up in a brewery” comes to mind

    Don’t despair though MoMA. Help is at hand. I recommend consulting with a Registered Clinical Psychologist.

    We agree with your sensible suggestion that we stop fighting among ourselves. But if you wish to continue your arrogance, insults and shouting we too can enjoy a silly battle until the boredom becomes too constant. We have already wished the best for you in your approach and that was, and remains, genuine. The same doesn’t apply to your readiness to criticize, indeed ridicule, approaches, opinions and efforts that don’t concur with what you think best.

    Comment by Ministry of Men's Affairs — Wed 24th October 2018 @ 12:47 am

  11. Auditive Unsanctionned Dissenting Implement

    REading the dialogue above, this monologue of mine seems bland, less fiery and more sedate.

    But it is a reminiscence of my old self which I seem to be witnessing through the person of Audi.

    It’s funny all you say Audi is similar to things I have said. I have grown frustrated at times from the apathy of some members and what seems like obscurantism from others.

    I originally came on this site because the revolving door into my parenting of my children had been broken. It no longer opened. And when it did, it no longer gave way to my antechamber.

    It was now giving way to the Family Court.

    Once in, I was stuck.

    I spent hours upon hours of research, education, working three jobs and holding my breath for the day the children came back.

    But a planned three months blitzkrieg into foreign territory (FC) turned into trench warfare.

    It became a geo political war ran by a dubious Lawyer for Child and various other small players seeking his intercession to grant me a favorable audience with the POPE for him to validate my sovereign state over my own person and test my fitness to be the administrator of my children’s affairs.

    This sadly embedded me even further in this forum. I however met two people in here that were instrumental in finding a way out of the maize I had been in. Murray was one of them. My 3 months stint had become a life sentence and still no day in court.

    In the end, I was so down and morbidly ill from litigation, the only advice left to follow was to self represent.

    Everyone thought I was mad. I knew I was but I just wished to test the boundaries of this madness.

    I had lost confidence in every thing and anyone. HAving a lawyer had not helped. In fact it made things worse. So worse in fact, my lawyer started avoiding me and paying me lip service. He felt that my case was so complicated he could not service his other clients.

    I lost much confidence in myself throughout this period. I felt like a criminal but had no charges against me. I saw my kids drive past my house to school every day and yet I could not even say “hello” to them.

    I seriously was avoidant of any contact with anyone that I knew and whose kids were friends with mine. I could not explain to them why my kids were not with me. It simply made no sense.

    Rather than explaining, it was easier to just keep quiet and avoid engaging thinking “…another three weeks before the hearing.”

    but it was delayed for one reason or another.

    Even though isolated and abused, I felt that i could not give in. I would not fall into despair. I am better than my circumstances. I refused to let them define me. But this was a struggle.

    No Matter what I said to myself the night before, I woke with the same reality I tried to escape from in my dreams. After a while, I shied away from falling asleep all together. But of course that was no solution.

    I had by then lost all confidence in my self. One day, I woke up and I knew I would have to find that confidence somewhere. I had to step up.

    By then I had realized, I had no fear left in me about anything bad happening to my case. I had already hired an expert. We have been stuck in mid water. Unable to come up for breath but without the reserves to reach the bottom. I could not do any more damage than the representation itself had cost me.

    My only fear left was to let myself down and I knew this would be letting my kids down. It gave me the courage to appear at court for a long cause hearing without a lawyer, no McKenzie friend and no support.

    Before I walked in there, my family said to me “WE love and support you but we owe you the truth. WE do not think you will win. But we will keep you in our prayers.”

    My older brother did not mince his words either and echoed my parent’s word “Look mate, this is their system and they will never give you your kids back…” then he extensively told me about so many of his friends that have spent thousands on lawyers and still have to pay child support for kids they do not even see unless the baby shitter has quit.

    I knew this was their way of supporting me. They felt the need to prepare me for the worse.

    My own lawyer’s words were pretty much the same” “The Courts will never give you what you ask for. you have to be reasonable. This system is fucked. it ain’t just broken.”

    At any rate, I walked out with everything I had asked for.

    I was so exhilarated and relieved I did not lose my cool and managed myself during this lengthy hearing that at the end of it I was split into three distinct individuals.

    I had had faith in God and He did not disappoint me, In fact the Judge traversed all the past history in this case and walked this case back to its inception and rewrote the record. That’s over ten years of litigation broken up into various battles, ceasefires, ambushes and nuclear attacks (without notices).

    God made something hard so easy had I been a bigger fool, I would have lost my head and taken the credit for this obvious miracle. But I knew He did put the Judge and the two lawyers for child there. I became more of faith.

    The second part of me was simply thankful for the Judge and both the Lawyers for child being women and mothers.
    If they are feminists, I can guarantee you they are no part of that agenda and have made sure there was no legal loophole from which any advantage could be gained by my ex’s gender.
    In fact, they were so appalled, there were certain things said best forgotten.
    This made me more thankful and appreciative.

    It aint over till the faaaaaaaaaat lady sings.

    However the third part of me felt like a war hero. I had returned victorious and I had a thousand stories of bravery, courage,resilience and forbearance. I had become arrogant. In my mind, I was war hero.

    I remember I came back on this site, full of myself. Thinking somehow I could help others. I felt imbued with a sense of competence byond my normal self. I had been tested, I had not failed. I had in the process looked at my-self thoroughly and confirmed what I already knew. I am a good parent and I care about my kids. Not only I have not abandoned them and what’s more, I now know I could never abandon them. It’s just not an option.

    This made me also proud as well arrogant…

    Looking back now I can see why.

    After being on this site, It made me fearful of the Family Court. There are only a few good stories and they are far and few in between. And most people that escape run and hide. It makes us more appreciative of the old hands here. They may be odd but their hearts, as I witnessed are on their hands.

    So I think coming back here was to inject a bit of life in this forum. And say hey’ It’s not that bad!”

    And I think this is where I see the Audi in me. The young proud and arrogant JustCurious I used to be. Coming on this site and calling all men castrated.
    1 ~~~Because I felt people were scared and hiding behind the big bad feminist conspirator theory
    2 ~~~because I was seeking controversy as a way to raise members from what I considered to be apathy at the time

    I guess controversy is the surest way to attention. Adults would call it negative attention seeking. But a wiser man may see it just as a man with a message. One consumed by his message to the point of mistaking trolling with showboating.

    Am I to assume Audi you have done well in your last court case?

    And that you feel so good as to emulate JamiLee Ross over his famous drive to Wellington?

    makes me think of that song ” am too sexy for my shirt, too sexy for my shoes…too sexy for my wife… she is not even an MP… too sexy for National… too sexy even globally… too sexy for this jacket… why do they make them so damn straight?… too secy for this nut house… Just too sexy for my self”

    But then it was s sobering coming back here and seeing the clouds had not lifted. I know they know but no one tells you anything.

    In the end, I just knew I had to self rep. There is no way I was going to instruct a new lawyer over a ten year plus saga. I was better off keeping the same I had.

    Comment by JustCurious — Wed 24th October 2018 @ 2:32 am

  12. Does anyone remember Martin?

    The Martian?

    Am I getting flash backs?

    Comment by JustCurious — Wed 24th October 2018 @ 2:45 am

  13. If I were a troll (which I’m not) I’d be rolling on the floor laughing out loud at the invective that was evoked.

    Using an extreme range of troll behaviour but is not a troll?

    Runs in the same vein as;

    You’re using adhominem but I’m not.
    I’m not using strawman arguments but you are.

    I suggest this is viewed as a similar strategy to positive discrimination.

    My cause is justification for the exception.

    As far as putting up a constructive post, as the expression of an author: The content should have been a comment under the original post.

    But as a larger form of adhominem using the structure of the blog to discredit another person and their participation in the forum then I look at this;

    The Medium is the Message!

    The medium is as a sophisticated form of trolling intended to discredit not only oppossing views but also selected participants – that aside the message of this individual contributor remains the same;

    We need to say men are good and we need to speak and act as good men and women.

    In terms of contradiction;

    Extolling violence of any kind will not be seen as good.

    This subversively confrontational, aggressive and destructive pattern of participation that is equally violent doesn’t go down well in a room full of men.

    Good luck with that meeting on the 3rd November, that is already the pinned post on the site.

    Comment by Downunder — Wed 24th October 2018 @ 7:37 am

  14. That’s my opinion. What do you all reckon?

    Not an overly sophisticated approach but we did lose you at the omniscient view point and morons.

    Over the last 20 years voter capture has become more aggressive and the results for the captured participants far from rewarding.

    Many groups whether you agree with them or not such as Family First or Sensible Sentencing Trust maintain a bipartisan independence.

    They have achieved a voice on occasions.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Wed 24th October 2018 @ 8:38 am

  15. @11

    Am I to assume Audi you have done well in your last court case?

    Yes and no. I commenced proceedings in 2012 and those matters are still before the courts.

    I have won (as a self-represented litigant) a Judicial Review in the High Court and prevailed against the other party’s appeal to the Court of Appeal. The other party have though (somewhat brazenly) ignored the directions of the High Court (called Civil Contempt) and so the matter is back before the Courts. This time I am seeking considerable damages. I have also just recently commenced new proceeding against another party including seeking considerable damages for gender discrimination. (All done as a self-represented litigant)

    Comment by Audi Alteram Partem — Wed 24th October 2018 @ 9:46 am

  16. Dear Downunder, MoMA, Evan and anyone else I’ve offended,

    I accept your criticisms and apologise for being too combative.

    Someone here (I can’t remember who) suggested that my conciliatory approach would see me chewed up and spat out by feminists. I guess I wanted to show that I am made of sterner stuff than what would allow that to happen. My sense was that I was being personally attacked and I succumb to giving back as good as I got.


    I still strongly disagree with much of what you are saying – but how about we all just stick to the issues and leave any slurs out of it?

    Comment by Audi Alteram Partem — Wed 24th October 2018 @ 10:05 am

  17. Thanks for the Answer Audi.

    It’s confidence I am mistaking with arrogance.
    and frustration at what seems like obscurantism?
    that makes you aspire to rub shoulders against these old hand?

    Do you feel threatened by their popularity?
    When obviously they have not achieved as much as you and self repped?
    or is it their unmuzzled barks that you fear may tarnish your program?

    And somehow targetting them puts you in contention for leadership?

    Comment by JustCurious — Wed 24th October 2018 @ 10:10 am

  18. As you can see, i am not assuming but drawing inferences from my own many states of mind and experiences and asking for confirmation as to whether my presumptions may be wrong.

    Comment by JustCurious — Wed 24th October 2018 @ 10:16 am

  19. @17 Hi JC. My answers to your questions as follow:

    Sometimes I feel threatened by, well, threatening things. I have never felt threatened by anybody’s popularity (real or imagined).

    I think it would be grossly wrong to suggest that I have achieved more than MoMA. I haven’t really achieved anything… yet! But I’m working pretty darn hard towards achieving some things.

    I am concerned that many of the comments on this site actually perpetuate harm to men. But I wouldn’t call those comments “unmuzzled barks” and nor would I refer to any efforts for men’s right as “my” program.

    I have no aspirations to lead anything. But I think I might be able to seed something.

    Comment by Audi Alteram Partem — Sun 28th October 2018 @ 5:18 pm

  20. good job aUDI
    I can see you took particular care to read between the lines, pondered and reflected before answering.
    Thank you

    Comment by JustCurious — Sun 28th October 2018 @ 7:09 pm

  21. Interesting that we have heard nothing of all the saving of men and far superior ways of gaining political and public support that were to follow up the 03/11/18 meeting of the truly wise movers and shakers. Hopefully there are such amazing things being done that they are taking a lot of time to complete before we can all be astounded by them and their effectiveness.

    Meanwhile we will soldier on making submissions to parliament and challenging feminist false propaganda when it arises, stupid though that may be.

    Comment by Ministry of Men's Affairs — Mon 28th January 2019 @ 3:10 pm

  22. To be fair it does help prove the futility of the exercise.

    I don’t think anyone else could put their hand up and say they had a better outcome.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Tue 29th January 2019 @ 4:19 pm

  23. We disagree. Completed submissions, attended protests, organized conferences, years of thinking and writing are all performance outcomes that are better. As for political, law and policy outcomes all that has been achieved so far is a large and increasing change in public sentiment against feminist propaganda and aware of men’s issues.

    Comment by Ministry of Men's Affairs — Tue 29th January 2019 @ 9:40 pm

  24. #23 Spot on and very important. Thank you for what you all do.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Wed 30th January 2019 @ 3:41 pm

  25. I applaud anyone who will “give it a go”, and use whatever telents and resources they have. I have done what “Ministry @23” mentions, and yet I too have to admit I get nowhere. I think we all know that this situation will remain hopeless until it is up-ended by some crisis which will not come from the men’s cause. It will be some crisis where Womyn have to save themselves from themselves.
    But then, its not our way to simply give up, even when beset by such odds. I do wonder how women can claim to “love their sons!” when we all are sons of women – and they band together agsinst us in such a determined way. Love their sons? – Yeah right!
    “When I was just a lad of ten, my father said to me
    “Come here and take a lesson from the lovely lemon tree”
    “Don’t put your faith in love, my boy” my father said to me
    “I fear you’ll find that love is like the lovely lemon tree”

    Comment by kiwiKeith — Thu 31st January 2019 @ 2:10 pm

  26. I am appalled when people take short term views and don’t learn from the past.
    It is so easy to write negative words. Much harder to propose positive suggestions, especially solutions that have some chance of being acceptable to all affected parties.
    Even if it appears that Government has ignored a submission, I know that all half sensible submissions are read carefully by at least a few politicians.
    Sure, weighing the electoral impacts of proposals is a cruel process, especially when the group of people affected is too small to have much electoral impact on their own. But ideas presented plant seeds, that continue growing over many years. This may not be visible to nay sayers, but the impacts can be detected, if politics is watched very carefully. Best to plant early and plant often. Like voting!
    At the very least, submissions can be read by historians and likely will blacken the reputations of politicians in the history books. I admit that most of my submissions fall into that category.
    People who love their children, are prepared to do the work, to protect their children as best as can be done.
    Don’t be put off by lazy people. Strive for what you believe is right. Best of all, work in larger groups, even if it does mean some compromise.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Thu 31st January 2019 @ 5:43 pm

  27. Wise words Murray

    Comment by Ministry of Men's Affairs — Thu 31st January 2019 @ 9:32 pm

  28. @25 A more pragmatic view perhaps evidenced by 50 years of dumbing down of the Western World through feminist demands and an inevitable disaster.

    Is there anything wrong with blaming women for the obvious for a change?

    Comment by Evan Myers — Fri 1st February 2019 @ 4:57 am

  29. I am not disrespecting ot criticising others who have been through the mill and so work hard hopefully. As stated, “I applaud anyone who will “give it a go”, and use whatever telents and resources they have.” But I no longer think that any of us in New Zealand or probably most any other country on the planet really count. I have come to a different view of all this. Feminism is only one of many tools funded and exploited so as to divide us all. Creating disunity enables us all to be expoloited by the elites. Are there really such elites? well one might look at what the champion of freedom and democracy is doing in Venezuela right now. I don’t see it on our media, but they stroll in, and empower an unelected person as President. And Bolton is there making no seret that Uncle Sam now has Venezuelas oil. The previously dependable Bank of England somehow froze Venezuela’s gold, denied it to the Elected government, but somehow might release it to an unelected one. Isn’t this really non-sensical? Any of the powerful elite class can, and are very likely the true instigator of our social destruction.
    Justice and Morality have nothing to do with this, and no matter what MP in NZ reads our sreasonable submissions, they lack the power to make any difference.
    When Wayne Pruden arrived at Parliament, News did not show up, and as I recall only one MP met him – (could be wrong)- but I think it was Ms Street. A minor party MP with good intentions, but what difference did that make.
    I think we need to look higher up the tree for our true adversary. I have no idea how one might address such an adversary.

    Comment by kiwi Keith — Fri 1st February 2019 @ 5:46 am

  30. #28 Is there anything wrong with blaming women for the obvious for a change?
    If we don’t accept responsibility for our own performance, then we are unlikely to be able to improve it. By “own”, I mean all groups of people that we have some degree of membership of. Sure, our degree of influence may be small, but that only makes it all the more important to use our influence carefully, energetically and sensibly. Parable of the ten talents?
    Failing to use what influence we have, is putting ourself into a powerless position. To fail by not even trying, is to die by our own hand. To fail by our own decision (to do nothing), is the most pathetic failure that there is.
    To die in worthwhile battle, is to have done our best.
    Where we have shown poor performance, important factors usually include failure to understand public opinions and failure to understand the daily realities of all of the people affected by these policies. So, this is one area in which we could try to improve our understanding and knowledge. Listening??
    Incidentally, Wayne Pruden got reasonably good coverage from TV3 and negligible by TV1. Not only that, but Jim Bagnall turned up when Wayne left Hamilton, with nazi signs. This was even after Wayne asked Jim specifically not to do that. The media had the opportunity to crucify Wayne, by mixing in images of nazi signs. But they didn’t use any of the opportunity that JimB gave them, to denigrate Wayne’s March to Wellington. Wayne got a solid degree of respect from non-Government owned media. This is a good example of what to do.
    TV3 did give 120 seconds of coverage of Wayne handing over the petition to the MP. TV3 also covered Wayne leaving Hamilton and also at one or two points along the way. So Wayne got substantial media coverage, in a pretty positive light. Wayne did vacillate on some issues and that slightly reduced the media impact. Amazing media performance from someone with no media training. We should be appreciating what Wayne did and making sure that we don’t lose the lessons that Wayne showed us….. Understanding of the public, creativity and imagination like that is rarer than diamonds and more valuable.
    Wayne is not the only person to have had some degree of success. There are many others and these stories are valuable, now and into the future. It is important that we don’t lose them.
    Jeeeezeee I am boring…/….
    Please shoot me immediately.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Fri 1st February 2019 @ 9:42 am

  31. @ 29 Kiwi Keith

    One of the best and most accurate posts I have ever read here if not the best . So good actually I would like to shout you a drink ha ha . Unfortunately , it will get no traction here and anywhere

    Comment by george simonovski — Fri 1st February 2019 @ 10:41 am

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