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Mental Health at Work

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 12:21 pm Thu 23rd August 2018

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Geoff McDonald talking about ‘Mental ill-Health’ in the workplace.

This is a very far reaching cross section of the subject from an HR CEO point of view in a large corporate enterprise.

Certainly of interest to the old crew will be our recognition of the same thing at the grass roots level over a decade ago.

Our attempts to have this understood, of course met with the political smashing machine because we dared to raise an issue about men during the Clark Government. Sadly it has taken this long for the issue to float to the top and receive recognition.

That we can now point out is the effect of Feminist dogma and silly little shouty girls.


  1. Wow , that was heartening, thank you for that Downunder, has made my day.

    Comment by mama — Thu 23rd August 2018 @ 12:51 pm

  2. #1,,i was talking of the podcast…in our case the mother said at the beginning she wanted to never see us ever again and has been able to stand by this for three years, most of the time not even coming to direction conferences. When asked for mediation the response was a false allegation, that was a rude shock.

    Comment by mama — Thu 23rd August 2018 @ 1:07 pm

  3. I can certainly relate to that from the point of view of seeing someone in touch with the political machine and political point of view; I don’t have to put up with you or the court because I have the backing to tell you to get lost.

    This this is one hell of a starting point that many of us faced when Clark came to power and this is something I’ve warned is likely to surface again with the Government.

    There have been attempts to shut us down pre election and post election.

    You’re starting to say enough now, that suggests we were right on the money.

    Watch this space is all I can say.

    Comment by Downunder — Thu 23rd August 2018 @ 1:16 pm

  4. Sounds good to me, where do I sign up?

    Comment by mama — Thu 23rd August 2018 @ 1:30 pm

  5. It’s also important to realise how this can relate to business, and how this can play out in different situations.

    I’ve seen two very substantial cases where teenage males have come back into their fathers care after having been disconnected by separation and the motherly influence.

    So, by this stage you have two young men who have missed the opportunity to learn to follow in their father’s footsteps because they haven’t been there. So, of course, when they do arrive back that’s what they want to do but there is a lot to catch up and they can’t understand the resistance to their involvement in the hardyard workplace because they can’t see the danger.

    Equally, the disreputable character can misuse their naivety and prove the point.

    It’s a complicated relationship between alienation and progression into the workplace that’s not well understood because our courts will support alienation if you don’t dig in for the fight.

    Comment by Downunder — Thu 23rd August 2018 @ 1:32 pm

  6. There is no place to sign up.

    Just a website that says, we’ve been here before.

    And like last time, if anything is to be done, it takes a few people to find each other.

    And that’s how the fight started …

    Comment by Downunder — Thu 23rd August 2018 @ 1:38 pm

  7. Work place lacking spirit

    Generosity of spirit is lacking in our very culture,, dont get me wrong it is always amazing when a telethon comes along etc… but when I worked for a couple big organisations, they had no real commaradery, and they guys at the top would organise silly events to create, or try to, some sort of coming together in the name of a common goal.
    When I worked in a factory where by most of the workers were polynesian and asian ladies it was fantastic, a lack of snobbery , no matter the job at hand it was cohesive and ,, well.. nice…no sense of competition or ladder climbing and people were happy…it was a family..

    Comment by mama — Thu 23rd August 2018 @ 2:10 pm

  8. #5,, oh man, it runs so deep, there are so many issues of importance here…imagine a society that is set up to help ends up like this…

    Comment by mama — Thu 23rd August 2018 @ 2:16 pm

  9. The top two factors were hopelessness and helplessness. “They have to feel there’s no hope, things aren’t going to get better. They also have to feel it doesn’t matter what I do or anyone else does, things won’t get better,” Bowden said.

    You could be reading this straight from UOF literature 15 years ago, especially those two words – hopeless and helpless.

    Were we fifteen years too early or is this simply lip service in the name of Greg Boyed. What was wrong with journalism that they couldn’t report what we said then?

    [“Counselling is effective. It’s that you can’t get men in the door,” says Victoria University lecturer Chris Bowden.]

    There is a simple question here; How did we get men in the door, arrive at the same conclusion, and not have suicides?

    Comment by Downunder — Sat 25th August 2018 @ 3:01 pm

  10. In relation to male suicide, and isn’t it amazing how up to date and accessible this information has suddenly become;

    Provisional statistics for 2017/18 released by Chief Coroner Judge Deborah Marshall on Friday, show almost 2-1/2 times as many men as women committed suicide during the year.

    Broken down into five-year cohorts, the greatest number of male suicides was 55 in the 20-24 age group. The highest rate of suicides among male was 31.8 per 100,000 in the group aged from 50-54.

    We’ve lived with this Government attitude to ‘official information’ for too long. We collected it so we’ll do what we want with it.

    You can apply the same attitude to psychological reports. We paid for it so it belongs to us.

    Comment by Downunder — Sat 25th August 2018 @ 3:16 pm

  11. The rate of male suicide (e.g. per 100,000) is over 2.5 times that for females. On average across many years now the male suicide rate has been 3 times that for females but this year the female rate increased more than the male rate. Media coverage seems to be focusing only on the high Maori rate which is 1.7 times that for Europeans. Even though ‘being male’ is by far the most significant demographic for suicide, men don’t matter to the Ministry of Health or to our media. Given the hard line refusal by our Ministry of Health to deal in any way with male suicide in its Suicide Prevention Plan, one may be suspicious that Coroners are also hiding the true suicide rate for men through the research methodology. For example, do they count all the men for whom suicidal wishes were the main force in their careless driving deaths, substance abuse deaths and workplace accident deaths?

    The other habitual focus by media and nearly all spokespeople has been on ‘youth suicide’, but for many years it hasn’t been youth who are killing themselves at the highest rates. And no age or any other demographic difference comes close to the male vs female difference.

    This lack of interest in male suicide must be the most appalling of the many examples of hatred towards men.

    Comment by Ministry of Men's Affairs — Sat 25th August 2018 @ 4:46 pm

  12. I was wondering if Greg Boyed would even get included in our statistics since he died overseas?

    Comment by Evan Myers — Sat 25th August 2018 @ 5:13 pm

  13. I saw the headline about Māori suicide and that I thought was biased reporting. I nearly didn’t look at it.

    When you look at the race based graphs you see a spike in the last year in Māori suicide along with an indication that European suicide has declined.

    The graph said all others and that includes European so it is hard to know the acuracy.

    There was also a similar Māori spike in 2012.

    The racial aspect doesn’t particularly worry me.

    What I want to know is what caused these two significant spikes in Māori male suicide?

    We shouldn’t underestimate the possible value of this information and question why the media has a lack of interest in this – preferring for some reason to simply report what is spoon feed to them.

    Comment by Downunder — Sat 25th August 2018 @ 5:27 pm

  14. Many media, especially taxpayer funded Radio NZ, have a clear pro-feminist and Maori favouritism policy.

    Comment by Ministry of Men's Affairs — Sat 25th August 2018 @ 6:00 pm

  15. The Coroner statistics are here.

    Comment by Ministry of Men's Affairs — Sat 25th August 2018 @ 6:01 pm

  16. Whoah.. those statistics say that is is plain, men need a better deal in life for sure.

    The other shocking thing is the fact that in a decade the total for suicides is 6204..only war has taken such numbers…and I heard on the radio that suicide far exceed death on the roads and look at the expense we go to for the roads..and bloody cycleways.

    The mens’ ages for danger are telling too, given these figures, it would be normal to assume that relationships are playing a big part , especially when looking at the mens’ stats that the largest number by far are employed men.

    Comment by mama — Sat 25th August 2018 @ 7:17 pm

  17. The male suicide rate each year in NZ is greater than the total male and female road and homicide tolls combined. But they’re only men, the lepers of feminist society, so who cares?

    Comment by Ministry of Men's Affairs — Sat 25th August 2018 @ 10:41 pm

  18. The first thing that strikes me, is the increase in the rate per 100,000 of popuation from 12.2 to 13.67, over 10 years.

    One of the political pillars is … our rate of suicide is not as bad as other Western Countries when compared on an international scale.

    Then again we have also had a dramatic increase in population through immigration; as our own live birthrate cannot even sustain our own population.

    The political will hasn’t been there, and certainly not to be able to say, “Well, actually if you adjust the suicide rate of our population to reflect the true rate and not that diluted by immigration this is more likely the realistic comparison.”

    The cold hard reality is that politicians and government agencies have avoided or even worse tried to distort the available information to make it acceptable and give an appearance of concern and some action being taken.

    The other disturbing aspect to this is that you don’t see street loads of mothers asking, “What have you done to our sons?”.

    Comment by Downunder — Sun 26th August 2018 @ 10:39 am

  19. I liked the conversation in this thread.
    Taken off topic a little.
    But good arguments.

    Off topic a little as well.

    So he was earning enough money.
    Prior to the assault.
    Now he struggles due to injury.
    And may never earn the same.

    I thought we had ACC.
    It’s not like he intentionally did this to himself.
    Maybe errors in judgement.
    But the assault, was not his act.

    It was the actions of another.
    A person NZ made.
    A culture possibly indifferent to violence.
    And the alcohol industry, compensating with taxes.

    While the effort was made to fix him.
    As best medicine could.
    He states, lasting injury remains.
    Who then owns the difference.

    Between the unharmed.
    And harmed.
    Is that not ACC.
    The offender, or the alcohol.

    Truth is, that original income.
    May have limits, like 80%.
    As ACC prescribes.
    But in principle, does he not still have it all.

    So does he qualify for immigration.
    Will NZ take responsibility.
    For its culture, and resultants.
    Or he punished for the injury, and it’s burden.

    While I don’t support dependency.
    Help is warranted.
    And law should not do unjust things.
    Especially when it cannot establish accountability.

    Has he not suffered enough.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Sat 23rd January 2021 @ 11:52 pm

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