Peaceful Protest against the misandrist clementine ford – Auckland
You might have heard that Clementine Ford is in NZ using one of Auckland city council’s venues to promote her book Boys will be Boys and infesting people with his toxic ideolgy.
Bring your sign and join us or at least send an email to Phil Goff.
This “thing” (doesnt deserve to be called a woman) is coming to Auckland on Tuesday 27th Nov 2018 6.30pm to promote mens killing and genocide. We have no problem with her speaking whatever she wants and her stupid ideolgy but for someone like her, who has a significant history of sexism inciting violence against men and to use our council venues to do so is NOT acceptable and humiliating for mens and boys.
We should not tolerate with violence !
We’re holding a peaceful demonstration on Tuesday 27th Nov at 6.30pm infront of Freeman’s Bay Community Hall. So please come and join us. Also feel free to contact Phil Goff –
Join us this Tuesday at Freeman’s Bay Community Hall or plz send an email to Phil Goff [email protected] to cancel this event using the council venues.
The council venues are not for criminals who promote violence, killing and genocide of men or any other genders.
link of the event as below. You can bring your sign and welcome to join us.
Please spread the word.
From Ms Ford…
QUOTE; “We all have a role to play in dismantling the twin towers of homophobia and misogyny. But we are doing young men no favours when we allow masculinity to be dictated to them by the status quo.
Because here’s some news for you. The status quo might revere men as a class, but it destroys them as individuals. And it teaches them to destroy others in return”.
Is her boy a fatherless boy I wonder, If Status Quo meant we had nice normal families with Dads in place I suggest all would be quiet on the western front, but the dictated messages are far from masculine and do not serve to help men/boys.
I don’t think I should support this protest in spite of the temptation.
I was one that ardently supported Stefan Molenuex and Lauren Southerns right to free speech in NZ.
Wouldn’t I be a hypocrite if I claimed that others should not have that right even if I’m
Opposed to what they have to say?
Voices – you should protest because of the shut down of Stefan. The problem is we have anti-male hate at council venues but our opinions are forbidden. This is the death of the West we are looking at here.
Thanks Cedric, I don’t disagree about the dangers you point to.
Lauren and Stefan became household names after the
protests against them.
They may not have been able to speak but they got a lot of publicity and thier fan base increased as a result.
Will this protest only serve to increase the profile of clementine ford?
To be fair the avant garde resistance probably has more to gain from a little publicity than a tired Aussie.
and yes, it would be great to see the protestors get some media eye, unfortunately I doubt they will.
I agree we don’t need this poison here in New Zealand
I don’t live in the north island but support the protest
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Feminist Clementine Ford on how toxic masculinity hurts men as well as women
by Diana Wichtel / 25 November, 2018
Clementine Ford is a liar. I have seen her opening tweets, that is not in response to anything, calling for #killallmen.
I bet clementine ford never watched the red pill
Is this a question of free speech or …
Is the question one of who is protesting the rule and who is inciting the mob.
I hope that any protesters come across as having a constructive message and not as just being negative.
I have read half of the book and it is written with sharp, sometimes uncomfortable humour. I liked that. It has constructive challenges in it, some of which are good for society.
I suggest to buy the book and make sure you have read it and understand it before speaking in public about it.
#13, to buy the book is to support her income, her income supports her to come here.
The freedom of speech issue showed its ugly face here, in particular with Don Brash, one of our own who gets trashed because he believes New Zealanders should be treated equally.
Being that she is considered a journalist, among other things, I would hope that she does have some valid points but if asked “would I want her in politics?”, the answer is HELL NO.
I have read exerts, and I could agree with you a little if she did not come across as such an ass and demonic figure, her language used to shock and put the knife in is ugly.
Ford describes herself primary as a women’s rights activist not as a journalist writer or author.
That said one cannot expect the same degree of authenticity that would accompany the view of a responsible writer.
This is not the first time she has promoted a book in New Zealand.
A protest has the scope to disagree without specifically referencing this book.
The woman has a career of controversial views and has been at least once banned from Facebook.
author Rollo Tomassi tweeted “Children from single parent households (overwhelmingly single mothers) account for 80% of rapists motivated by displaced anger. Congratulations feminism, you’ve literally bred and raised the ‘rape culture’ you claim to fear.” To this provocation, a user named Miss Stirr replied that “43% of boys are raised by single mothers. 78% of teachers are female. So almost 50% of boys have 100% feminine influence while at home & an 8/10ish chance of 100% influence at school. Toxic masculinity isn’t the problem. Lack of masculinity is.”
#16,,, Voices,, yes,,,, we are being driven over a cliff at a fast rate, while they have this massive voice they are spouting out all manner of misguided statistics and simultaneously driving the male side of our race to despair and confusion. I do not know if the above stats are true but since those stats we have a landslide of more than what we had in the line of solo motherhood.
I heard a guy talking to Wendyl Nissen yesterday on the radio, when asked about her feminist view she replied that it is definitely an equal rights issue, he eluded to maybe suggest that there might be some revenge factor which she denied, at the end of that conversation he repeated that maybe there was just a smidgeon of revenge in it,,,he is a journalist and made clear that he indeed had this as a personal theory, at least in part, but he cannae say,,,I do see some men in speaking public position starting to want to say some things, but they dont, not yet, maybe they are just hoping this phase of fextremism will just go away, soon.
>>>I have read exerts, and I could agree with you a little if she did not come across as such an ass and demonic figure, her language used to shock and put the knife in is ugly.<<<
I am suggesting to reply in a responsible vein, to the sensible ideas that she is presenting. And to step over the rest the name way that you do for canine droppings in the street.
There is no honour in toxic masculinity or toxic femininity.
As a result, in my opinion, her mix of ideas isn't worth discussing in public, at a meeting or at a protest.
The best of her ideas are a worthwhile challenge to men. And they are well worth discussing in a relaxed and relatively private meeting.
She uses inflammatory language "well", in much the same way that some stupid men do. That is good for inciting, but doesn't help constructive discussion, irrespective of gender. Constructive discussion between men and women has a lot to offer. Many men and women are already far ahead in such negotiations in their private lives. The more that the rest of us can catch up, the better off we all will be.
The inconvenience of history is that Rome faced our current situation couldn’t reproduce it’s central population.
When it could no longer rely on slavery the last resort was negotiated migration.
These ideals at 20 ignore the same fundamentals.
#20,, Nice One Murray.
Clementine Fords’ approach is seemingly inciting, approach can be very important, like yours’ just then.
I thank you for your eloquence and I myself admit to being incited recently, it is hard not to, given the political climate and all that goes with it.
I really like that after all you have come to know that you still believe in good life.
I’m really lucky, I have one of those but I know plenty that don’t, some through choice (women) and those with no choice ( men).
I hope that many more men and women will continue to have good lives together and work in together… and I am part of that crowd and it is for certain without constructive discussion between Man and Woman such relationships would now fail.
I do not however, have the confidence that young people are being taught this skill and worry furiously for the future of mankind, humankind.
So when Clementine comes to Town Today, using a taxpayer funded place to Pray, I think that maybe She Should Just Go Away, but She Will Not, She is part of the Rot, replacing the world whereby the Father could too Rock the Babys’ Cot.
Downunder. Could you google mervyn Garfield Thompson please.
Do you remember anything of his story. ?
There’s a doco coming out about it that a friend of mine contributed to.
I’m curious about it.
@23 not something I know much about.
Back then, some of this stuff was a little bit strange to the average public.
#24 Thanks for the observation Jay Zane.
The screenshot was hard to read in the video. When stopped, it was clear, showing most of the post above. The visible part included:
>>>>This “thing” (doesn’t deserve to be called a woman) is coming to Auckland on Tuesday 27th Nov 2018 6.30pm to promote mens killing and genocide. We have no problem with her speaking whatever she wants and her stupid ideolgy but for someone like her, who has a significant history of sexism inciting violence against men and to use our council venues to do so is NOT acceptable and humiliating for men and boys.<<<<<
So the screenshot showed inflammatory language back (if anyone stopped the video).
In her book, Clementine had clearly said that he "kill men" was a joke and not intended to be taken seriously. It was her response to stupid anonymous trolls.
So taking an excerpt out of context, shows that the poster hadn't read her books before criticising. Or in other words, was as bad as Clementine in his use of language……
Maybe more to the point, why don't we discuss some of Clementine's more constructive statements and suggestions?
We can sort the wheat from the chaff and find useful things……
She expressed concern about men's suicide rates, saying she is worried for her son.
She expressed concern about the limited social space permitted to men, limiting men's freedom of emotional expression and in particular asking for help.
Shouldn't we be supporting and acting on these ideas, in a way that is publicly visible?
I would guess that 200,000+ NZers got to hear Clementine speaking on The Project. So she has had significant exposure, in a single exposure of under 5 minutes. She spoke carefully on TV, perhaps in strong contrast to how her book is written.
Clementine's book is written in places at two levels. A statement may be inflammatory positive, as read by most women. The same statement may be inflammatory negative when read by most men. Recipe for social disaster and money in the bank for sweet Clementine Ford.
And the same in gender reverse can be said for several men social commentators.
Boiled down to the constructive elements, then we do have a constructive basis for patient discussion.
If the discussion raises blood pressure in the right way, there could be some breathtakingly enjoyable fraternising with the enemy afterwards…..Then finished with firing squad executions….
How to Win Friends and Influence People or
Talking to the Media by Callingham & Dr. Bryan Edwards or
HOW TO TAKE ON THE MEDIA by Sarah Dickinson.
Learning from each encounter leads to improved skills?
As Jim said, onward?
MurrayBacon – axe murderer.
Was there a protest at Clementine Ford’s meeting?
How did it go?
Clementine defends herself after refusing to answer boys’ questions at a school in Aus.
She said she had been paid to speak for 50 minutes, but “I was not paid to deal with ongoing bulls**t and demands from small minded boys who cannot handle being shown their world view is limited”.
Obviously she does not have patience when it comes to kids, and why speak at co-ed school?
She would do well to do some reading up how to win friends.
The ministry for women is also promoting her and her book,, funnily enough, ha bloody ha, not, at victoria uni,,,,,Feminist and activist Clementine Ford discusses her new book Boys Will Be Boys with Megan Whelan. Hear about toxic masculinity and how it has a restrictive and destructive influence on both women and men.
I wont speak of her again, no, it is not worth it, besides every other woman and her dog apparently already is.
#28 Dear mama,
I think that you are getting hung up on Clementine’s inflammatory rhetoric?
The hack live video in the post above shows women complaining quite bitterly at some of Clementine’s past behaviour. Complaints made and noted.
Can you see anything valuable in what Clementine says?
Reading her books is much safer than listening to 3 minutes on TV. Sure, you have to step over quite a lot of the content. I do want men to have a safer emotional climate. Much of the problem here lies in women’s behaviour, almost as much as in men’s social camaraderie and parenting behaviours…….
Is there value only to women?
Is there some value for both men and women, in the sensible things that she says?
It all reminds me of my dangerous hero Camille Paglia……..though she targeted feminists as much as men. I enjoyed the hurt reactions of feminists as much as I enjoyed Camille Paglia’s comments.
Keep your eye on the ball…….
In our case, that should be on the constructive ideas, that can make all of our lives better.
Lets work towards gaining the positives.
“Whether or not it’s being a feminist or fighting for civil rights… anything that challenges the status quo makes people angry” –
Just a little bit delusional and apparently more inclined to see other people’s reactions as a win rather than anything sensible.
If you look at the above video she can’t behave in a rational manner towards other women who have said as much as her without the provocative rubbish.
Nobody wants her, and that’s more likely something that wasn’t addressed as a child.
# dearest Murray, Axe,,,,I know, and yep I am getting hung up on these things,,, Paglia sounds interesting.
people like Clementine are dangerous though as like Downunder says the internet has given them a big voice and following like we have never known and are still getting to discover, it is hard to take that social experimentation is happening and at such a fast rate that we may not recover.
Some of the old people used to say ‘we need a war’, to sort current dilemma.
All the single women/mothers I have met do not, will not, work to create a relationship, they have not the patience to compromise with a man, why do they need to anyway, the government will back me, just need to read the womens’ ministry goals to see that.
By the time my kids were at highschool we were one of only three families in their circle with both parents intact, is this type of thinking , this no compromise, coming from lack of fatherhood/parenthood example back then ,and if so, things are not going to get better.
If these women can not construct decent relationships, what of their children?
Strung out, lonely, unhappy with themselves women do not make good mummas, they yell, expect, take from and need their children in this terrible mix of screwed up emotion that their lives have become, some are real bad examples of people, let alone parent.
@29 in the world of net, paricularly the English speaking net, the number of users who are not natural users of the language outways natural users.
In the process of establishing simple protocols the idea of being nice or not nice, coloquial or clever, limits the value of what’s written to a limited and more likely homegrown audience.
To give our contributions any longevity or real value we would all need to consider a clear style absent of emotion.
It’s only because we’re a small population in a confined area that we can generally make sense of each other’s contributions.
” He Ain’t Heavy..
Long term Mama, Clementine Ford’s contribution to the History of Literature is an irrelevant waste of time, currently a mildly successful lifestyle for her, that more likely satisfies an addicted ego, than anything constructive.
It’s quite clear from the above interview the woman is not capable of intelligent communication with other woman let alone the world at large.
Having some form of sympathetic reaction to the idiot I can understand, but to give the diatribe any degree of credibility that deserves a constructive response is only brought about because a Feminist media give her a voice.
Stop being nice.
The debate is turning acidic.
Perhaps predictably some of the more individually successful women are defending their ground against Intersectional terrorism.
“If more women were in positions of leadership, the world would be a more peaceful place, according to former New Zealand prime minister Helen Clark.” RATFLMFAO. Not if she was reading comments from the acronym crowd on Twitter today!
The importance of being first up with the news.
There could have been video and an audio report in a post here.
This is on Newshub;
“Ford herself apologises to the overwhelmingly female audience, many of whom will, statistically, have experienced sexual assault, that they had to walk through aggressive protesters on their way in.”
Dear Jay Zane, good to hear that you had a few women included in your protest, though that fact wasn’t easily discernable or visible in the NewsHub coverage that you linked to. (In the text article – “mostly male and middle-aged” hints that there was also something else .. People who only watch the video (probably 70%??) had no hint of women present.)
The NewsHub URL actually includes the word “entertainment”, which is a warning to all parties that NewsHub is selling entertainment, as much as factual education to the public. Therefore, all parties in the coverage risk that the inclusion of their ideas may be decided on its entertainment value, or will be!
How much of the men’s message got through to the readers and viewers of the media coverage?
Sophie Bateman selected the words ‘reprehensible’ and ‘disgusting’. A reader might presume that these were the most insightful and constructive words that the men said, leading to a conclusion that the men had only negative contributions to offer?
Sophie Bateman added her value judgement “like the echo of a pissed off ghost”. Her judgement could be taken as mockery, more than flattery?
The article included a photograph of the leaflet distributed by the men. The leaflet included a morphed photograph of Clementine Ford, who we all know to be beautiful. The text written by the men shows their total lack of humour and lack of insight about when Clementine is serious and when she is joking. Not good jokers….
Then Sophie Bateman quotes Clementine in full:
“It’s a frightening prospect for a lot of men to have their notion of the world they live in challenged. As much as patriarchy oppresses men, it’s an oppression many of them are comfortable with because they know it and understand it. It’s one that’s always carried certain benefits for them.
The quote just leaves the men looking weak and ineffectual, in my (MurrayBacon) opinion.
There was no mention that Clementine Ford paid rent a demo for their presence, to add colour and drama to her entertainment show? It leaves the impression that the protesters did it free, to help Clementine sell her books, travel the world and enjoy her intellectual life?
I am left questioning why these men (and a few women) actually turned up at all?
There are a lot of holes and errors in what Clementine presents. But noone publicly drew any attention to these. Maybe the men hadn’t read her books, as she said?
In my opinion, they would have gained more useful publicity by staying home, buying her books and reading them. Then they could offer comments that brought their own wisdom to public attention and moved the public impression in the direction that they desire…..
Don’t take my word for it. Grab a friend who is middle of the road, show them the NewsHub article and video. See what feedback they offer. If possible, do this several times with different friends. And listen to the feedback!
Protesters offer the media some content. It is then up to the media, the content that they choose to make available to the public. That step is out of control of the presenters. The only way that the protesters can exercise some control, is by only offering material that will move public impression in the direction that they want and no other material. This is quite challenging, when material may be cherry picked, to convey a different impression.
Be careful out there…. (Please shoot me immediately!)
I had better get back to sharpening the nose cones on my intercontinental ballistic missiles.
Clementine quoted that DV goes up by 25% when the All Blacks lose a match.
Being pragmatic, that isn’t really a problem, as they rarely lose.
MoMAffairs queried the police on that “statistic” and the police eventually admitted under skilful interrogation, that it was made up on the spot to meet the needs of the moment and had never been checked. After some time, they eventually admitted that when they checked back on real data, the statement had no basis in NZ reality. It wasn’t a lie, just a poor and convenient guess.
So in this instance, MoMA was ahead of the play and in the right spot.
But no-one mentioned that correction to NewsHub…….
Anyway, Clementine is ok eye candy and certainly good entertainment.
Who could want more (such as the truth)?
40, ok eye candy Murray?
#41 Lets have a fucking argument….. Whip each other with angry one-eyed feminists until we die from laughing?
I wondered where the face came from. Those poor men, they hadn’t photoshopped it themselves….
Anyway, keep your eye on the ball….. what is most important issue?
So Ms Ford’s recommendation to kill men was a joke! Well that’s alright then. After all, feminists love jokes about women, don’t they? Especially jokes about violence towards women. The feminists usually roll around on the floor laughing and congratulate the joker for his wit, don’t they? So get a life, men, and laugh at yourselves.
We won’t need to read Robert Mugabe’s philosophical writings, which probably contain a few reasonable arguments, before we protest against some things he said and did. Same for Charles Manson, Kim Jong-un and Muhammad.
#43 As MoMA says, bad taste is always bad taste.
I sometimes use bad taste, as you are pointing out. It is always high risk, due to the ease with which it may be quoted out of context.
What matters most is that we address the most important issues, such as ignorant, made up DV statistics, as MoMA has exposed and other such false news.
Clementine Ford does say some sensible things.
She said that she wants to make the world less suicide inciting and in particular for men.
That is something that I am keen to support. Even ignoring that I have two boys, I would support that. So there is some room to work constructively together.
When I feel crushed by NZ social forces, humour has often been the only thing that has given me hope.
But lets make the real world offer better hope?
Within days of Clementine Ford’s visit, the Report of the Government Inquiry into
Mental Health and Addiction is recommending much improved mental health care.
One of the drivers for requesting that report, is men’s suicide.
Has Clementine achieved more in a few days, than the men’s movement in two decades?
What’s your new girlfriend got to do with this report muzzy?
And is it going to help any of us apart from those who make money from the misery of others.
Look at is reccomendations.
More committee’s , more reports,
More advisory panels, more reforms and working groups
More of the same white noise that got us into this mess.
Where in any of this does it help the desperate man on the street, farm, ditch or shelter.
ClementineF seemed a good example of “correlation is not causation”. Especially as while she was in NZ, the report was at the printers and 7 days prerelease examination by Government. Thus she could not have had any impact on the report, as you said.
The real issue is that where National coolly buried the dead and forgot about them, Labour are going to seriously consider more ambulances at the bottom of the cliff.
This is an extremely expensive solution and is likely to have limited impact. In the short term, it is the only option available.
In the longer term, positive public mental health training in schools, better access to preschools and better parenting training and support are far more cost effective, but deliver benefits on a longer time scale.
The Inquiry report emphasizes the importance of fixing the underlying social causes of mental illness and suicide. So obviously we will now see a huge government initiative to help keep families intact and to reform family law so as to ensure that children maintain full relationships with their fathers instead of the default token crumbs of every second weekend to reduce the chance that fathers will give up completely on life and especially child tax payments.
Oh, sorry, we noticed that the report, like almost all official references to suicide, totally failed to mention the gender proportions of suicide or that the extent to which it’s a male issue needs to be addressed. Not to mention the gender proportions of addictions, homelessness, unemployment, imprisonment and being kicked out of one’s home on the basis of ‘protection’ or ‘safety’ orders. Clearly then, many of the underlying causes of depression, anxiety and other mental disorders are destined to be increased under the Labia-led government. Big pharma will be rubbing their hands together with glee.
Danka Danka MOMA,,, we are talkin more banded aid, more victim producing propped self esteem.
Mean while ambulances have ..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzBBBrKfjIQ…takin it to the streets.
We haven’t done so yet, so we congratulate those who made it to protest against Ms Ford. When it comes to actually doing stuff it’s usually few who turn up. So thanks and well done.
Yes it was appalling duplicity for Goff and his white knight virtue signallers to stop Molyneux and Southern from using any council facility yet let this violence-mongering bitch Ford use one. However, protesting against Ford’s anti-male hate speech is not the same as protesting against her right to speak. Molyneaux and Southern will have been quite accepting of peaceful protest against their speeches. Unfortunately, the social justice warriors neither understand most of what they protest against nor protest peacefully. They like to chop the power to the hall, get inside and shout down speakers with megaphones and try in every way possible to remove people’s right to speak at all.