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The Female Funding Failure

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 11:14 am Wed 28th November 2018

Older observers will/may recall their youthful beginnings, their adventure into the world, and the road or perhaps the hard road to finding their place in society.

Work to your strengths. Do what you love and never work a day in your life. Describe it how you like there was still an expectation and I think only a very few did not accept the obligation to at least attempt success in some form.

Then, there were changes. Life for young boys, young men became different. We are aware of that, we’ve seen it, we see how much harder it is to make a beginning in this strange new environment today, than it was for us.

And life changed for girls: The expectation that they would now be more than mothers and lowly domestic managers … and still it was undervalued work they never got paid enough for.

But something different happened with girls on the basis that they needed to catch up. Funding organisations. The larger example;

The Women’s Funding Network (WFN)
A worldwide philanthropic network dedicated to improving the lives of women and girls.
A network of multiple funds that in 2011 had established itself in 26 countries.
A better world for women and girls is a better world for all.

But is it?

It’s not a financial reward for success. It’s a financial obligation to be be absorbed into and succeed according to set demands.

Success contrary to the natural and established inclinations of the child.

Perhaps then if many women were honest (and some are saying this now, that they were sucked into a network of false belief, many giving away the possibility of motherhood for careers and now living with regret) there would be an admission that they weren’t following their hearts, or their own destiny but were financially obligated to the beliefs of a few women (amongst the international population) who were placing demands on girls to grow into a fantasy world of a majority of sucessful females.

That must be quite a head job to be thrown into the spiraling demands on ongoing success and promotion. Something like the hounded husband of old whose wife demanded he seek promotion to the point of incompetence as the highest possible status was what she wanted.

I wonder when it comes to stories (and we know there are many untold male horror stories) whether we are yet to see the depth of regret and despair amongst women, when we have a media that grasps at any, even minor or minimalist glorification of female success.

Is it the same people, the same organisations, that are pushing these stories, to continue the belief in their own organisations?

In the war against men, there must be an army, soldiers, and casualties.

Are we simply not seeing the reality of this battlefield, this different war, and the injuries because it’s not a traditional war?


  1. There sure have been armies and soldiers and the casualties, well they are falling , reeling and the children reeling too.

    I worry that this funding experiment will have dire consequences ongoing.

    The Ministry for Women is one of 31 government
    agencies and, while we are the principal advisor
    on achieving outcomes for women and girls,
    it is other government agencies that are responsible
    for legislation, funding, and implementing initiatives
    that benefit New Zealand women and girls and their
    whānau. For example, the Ministry of Education ensures
    that our policies support education outcomes for women
    and girls. The Ministry of Business, Innovation
    and Employment ensures that our labour laws
    support improved employment outcomes for women.
    The State Services Commission provides system-level
    oversight of gender pay matters and state sector pay
    equity claims. The Ministry of Social Development ensures
    the financial support for low-income families, many
    of whom are headed by women. This means the Ministry
    for Women is not the only agency that works to improve
    outcomes for women and girls. Working as a system
    together means more resources and more policies
    that benefit women and girls.

    Comment by mama — Thu 29th November 2018 @ 8:26 am

  2. The lie is in the bottom line.

    “Working as a system
    together means more resources and more policies
    that benefit women and girls.”

    You can’t give your children everything, they have to learn to work for what they want.

    This is not a benefit, it’s not liberation for women to be who they want to be.
    It’s destroying our children, girls and boys, trapping them in the fantasies of a few women.

    Comment by Downunder — Thu 29th November 2018 @ 8:39 am

  3. Yes, it is like the very word ,’Benefit’, is upsidedown and back the front.

    What are the benefits to being hand fed beyond the cot?

    Only Women that chose the lonely/non partnered road have been able to make good of the funding available, Women, like my daughter who for every day is a miraculous struggle and juggling of family and having to earn to afford to achieve, are doing the hard yards, because she believes in the natural order of life???

    Comment by mama — Thu 29th November 2018 @ 8:49 am

  4. I wanna know o- o…

    Comment by mama — Thu 29th November 2018 @ 9:03 am

  5. A womans’ view…

    Comment by mama — Thu 29th November 2018 @ 9:08 am

  6. @1: This is a telling piece. We have long noted that most government ministries and departments have been acting as de facto Ministries for Women.

    @2,3: Yes,our government has long been financially encouraging women to trash their family units while there is little or nothing in the way of encouragement to keep children’s families together. Foolish. It will cost a lot more to raise children in a broken family than an intact family because now two households must be funded, travel must be funded if the lesser parent is to spend time with their children, and so forth.

    The policy was claimed to be based on helping women out of violent marriages but it’s clear that many or most family trashing occurs because women aren’t as happy as they unrealistically expected they would be. Moreover, for many families the woman will be financially much better off by trashing her family unit than by continuing to exist by sharing the husband’s low income with a bit of ‘working for families’ subsidy. Many sole mothers receive reliably and in the hand between $500 and $1000 or more per week on their benefit when accommodation allowances etc are included, and there is no way they would have that much by living together on their husband’s low-income wages. Many families break up purely because it’s financially advantageous for the woman to do so; often the parents will maintain an intimate relationship for a time and try to be parents while they live apart, but WINZ policy disallows such ongoing relationship and the parents are very likely to drift apart as they make their own separate lives. The main victims are the children, next the fathers who are forced to pay 30 to 40% of their after tax earnings in order to reimburse the government for its hugely stupid social policy, and next the taxpayers because few fathers earn enough to pay anywhere near the full cost of what’s being paid to their ex. Stupid stupid stupid.

    Comment by Ministry of Men's Affairs — Thu 29th November 2018 @ 9:29 am

  7. Services and organizations that provide only for women, including gyms, business funding groups, domestic violence services and taxi businesses all proudly practise the sexism that feminists so loudly complained about. Hypocrisy. It’s time that men return to forming clubs, services and businesses that cater exclusively to men.

    Comment by Ministry of Men's Affairs — Thu 29th November 2018 @ 9:35 am

  8. #7,,,Moma,,,,

    I have noticed that on the radio there are a growing number of business and service providers advertising that tag the advertisement with “proudly supporting womens’ refuge”, the latest of fashions.

    I always wondered how we could turn the clock back!!….”It’s time that men return to forming clubs, services and businesses that cater exclusively to men.”

    Comment by mama — Thu 29th November 2018 @ 9:54 am

  9. The lie is in the bottom line.

    “Working as a system
    together means more resources and more policies
    that benefit women and girls.”

    Indeed,,, my granddaughter has already received a campaign of counselling, and she is only eight!

    let me see, what were the benefits, shite, sorry can not go there….

    Comment by mama — Thu 29th November 2018 @ 10:16 am

  10. @6 in a rather ironic twist, where CYF have to deal with a drug addicted Mother or parents, and that’s becoming more common, the financial cost of keeping the women intact is thousands of dollars per week above what you mention.

    This can include,

    Funding separate accommodation for the mother and the children
    Drug rehabilitation
    Multi social workers
    Scientific support – like regular hair folicle tests
    Medical expenses for the children that are not coming from the mother’s DPB payments.
    Legal representation of all parties to receive Family Court approval.
    In some cases where ‘it’s deemed appropriate’ impoverished fathers are being transported around the country to keep these situations stable, when the mother has been moved to a different location to disconnect her suppliers.

    The cost of these cases is astronomical.

    Comment by Downunder — Thu 29th November 2018 @ 10:34 am

  11. Are young ladies like this one a result of ill fated motherhood and an over correction designed to empower.

    Judge Mathers said it will never be known the volume of narcotics Le Roux consumed on the night but was she convinced it must have influenced her driving.

    “The tragedy is a 15-year-old boy has lost his life as a result of your actions,” she said.

    She said the statements of Kraatskow’s parents were “heart-wrenching”.

    “Nothing I say will, of course, bring back their son, brother or grandson,”

    Judge Mathers said. “What is important is that you are held accountable for your offending.”

    However, the judge did accept Le Roux was genuinely remorseful. She said there was “no purpose” in sentencing her to prison

    “I am of the view that the public’s right for deterrence makes way for the least restrictive sentence,” she said.

    Le Roux will serve 11 months of home detention alongside a sentence of 250 hours of community work, while she was also disqualified from driving for two-and-a-half years.

    Comment by mama — Tue 18th December 2018 @ 2:55 pm

  12. This is not a case I particularly want to highlight. There are other cases showing female entitlement that deserve more attention.

    Judge Mathers said. “What is important is that you are held accountable for your offending.”

    The difficulty here is that this was basically an accident avoidable by either party. The genders could easily be reversed and I would hope the same discretion will apply when that happens.

    My take is that the judge fell down on the dialogue that the media needed and that has resulted in a hostile reaction from the public.

    That also is not beneficial for the age group involved.

    Comment by Downunder — Wed 19th December 2018 @ 5:54 am

  13. I understand that it while it may not be the answer to fill the jail because that has been seen to satisfy in the past, however there was a disturbing lack of compassion and remorse shown by the person behind the wheel, and that is what drove the hostile reaction.

    Comment by mama — Wed 19th December 2018 @ 7:54 am

  14. And now we have death threats and vigilante justice.

    That’s what comes of a pathetic judiciary excusing reality of behalf on a female.

    Comment by Downunder — Wed 19th December 2018 @ 8:59 am

  15. In further response to the above post that says ” Are we simply not seeing the reality of this battlefield, this different war, and the injuries because it’s not a traditional war?”

    I have started to experience the effect,, recently having been sent a photo of my sisters twin grandaughters, one has just been put on depression tablets at the age of sixteen, has decided she is undecided as to what she may want to become as a person, donning boys clothes and haircut, thick rimmed glasses and a confused face. Their Mother a nurotic, oppressive person has not done them proud I see. Powers at be talk and debate climate change tipping the balance of our earth but condoned is the tipping point of societal change and its effect????

    Comment by mama — Wed 19th December 2018 @ 9:46 am

  16. 12…Downunder, I know you do not want to talk of this case but I disagree that it would have been the same if genders were reversed, particularly if it was a middle aged white guy.

    Another person could have absolutely been taken to the cleaners over this considering the circumstances of the driver, her Mothers actions the following morning ,and not to mention avoidance of drug and alcohol testing after a failure to stop. Under the circumstances the Mother should also be held to account for her part in this.

    Comment by mama — Wed 19th December 2018 @ 10:05 am

  17. I didn’t mean not talk about it but ‘highlight it’ as we often do for gender bias.

    As you are pointing out, there are other issues that are usefully discussed.

    Comment by Downunder — Wed 19th December 2018 @ 10:14 am

  18. 17,,,Fair, fair, fair enough, besides this issue has a life of its own and on a personal note I feel that the parents in this case felt their family outcry was rather unheard in court and that is too grungy to easily bare.

    Comment by mama — Wed 19th December 2018 @ 10:43 am

  19. Amy Adams aparantly admitted to not be leaving parliament had she become leader of National.
    While this may be true, it seems it would have been a stretch for her and her family, family being sited as why she is now to leave.
    A large survey which followed both men and women found that the genders that reached the same academic heights, did not go on the same pathways, for instance the women chose to work around a life that suited a lifestyle where as the Men took their work seriously to become the top of their chosen field.
    We see that some Women who chose not to have family and the odd one that manages at some stage to do both, can achieve great heights but probably not on an ongoing basis,

    My point is that we need our Men, they are the stipplers of society,,if we came to rely on women in the same vein as we have men, we will fail as a society.
    So why the hell would society even begin to believe otherwise, it is nonsense, real discrimination ended long ago!!!

    Comment by mama — Wed 26th June 2019 @ 9:07 am

  20. In an interview the previous female CEO of Telecom, she said the reasons I did not have children is because I did not think I could manage it, I need at least eight to nine hours of sleep, I’m simply a zombie if I get less than that.

    Comment by mama — Wed 26th June 2019 @ 9:13 am

  21. further funding failure,,, oh but only in dollars terms,,, hang on is it not what business is about,,, and can an entire country be affording this kind of overseeing.

    Comment by mama — Wed 3rd July 2019 @ 5:58 pm

  22. #21 If they were risk adverse the profit should rise.

    To say the profit only decreased 12% is more likely obscuring a 25% loss to non essential spending.

    As these are public companies that have lowered the return to shareholders setting off a string of negative factors around the viability of the shares.

    That would appear to be nothing more than selective information that appears to put value in women based on their inherent inclination to be risk adverse.

    The financial truth is probably quite different.

    Comment by Boonie — Thu 4th July 2019 @ 1:12 pm

  23. Gulp Boonie, and where did I put that solar flare.

    Comment by mama — Thu 4th July 2019 @ 4:54 pm

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