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The Male Crisis

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 7:18 am Mon 18th June 2018

Is that possible?

Could we reach a point where the anti-male hysteria drives a society, a whole country, especially a small country like New Zealand into the crisis zone?

How many years ago did we start to raise issues like,

The possible effects on children

How many issues saw no acknowledgement because women’s issues were too important.

Male suicide
Financial deprivation
Mental health of men

The stresses on social services, volunteer organizations, the extended family.

Particularly the extended family, when that intergenerational skill set is lost to the break down of the family. When grandparents are the last competent generation. When the pool of volunteers dries up.

When suddenly all the carers, the doers, are stretched to the limit, their financial resources strained.

Those waking hours stressed by the endless demands of an aching society.

Does a male crisis become a country in crisis?

What do you see when you stop and look around you?


  1. The latest figures show Inland Revenue getting only one warrant [student loan default] in the current year (July 1 to April 30) but no arrest was needed because the debtor made a payment arrangement.

    The figures, provided by Inland Revenue in a response to an Official Information Act request, show parents with child support debts are far more likely to be arrested leaving the country than student debtors.

    Child support debt ended the 2017 June year at $2.7b but of that $2.1b was penalties. The overall debt still represented the first reduction in 20 years.

    As at April 30, total child support debt had again reduced– to $2.36b – of which $1.8b was late payment penalties.

    Inland Revenue got warrants to arrest 27 liable parents at the border between April 1 last year and March 31 this year and 13 people were arrested. Of the 27, 26 were male, six were over 50 and several owed money for multiple families.

    The parents who were the subject of the 27 warrants owed Inland Revenue a total of $3.9m and paid $170,991 or entered instalment arrangements of $70,000 a year.

    McIntosh-Watt said arrests were used only as a last resort and obtained under different pieces of legislation. The Student Loan Scheme Act had more onerous criteria for warrants than the Child Support Act.

    “As more overseas-based student loan borrowers make contact with Inland Revenue to manage their loans, this consequently reduces the number of potential cases meeting the arrest warrant criteria.”

    Inland Revenue said it had hired an “external provider” to chase 13,000 student loan defaulters in Australia over the last two years.

    In the year to June 30, 2017, only one in five defaulters who had been contacted responded.

    Comment by Downunder — Tue 19th June 2018 @ 7:36 am

  2. Favouritism to women in tertiary employment and Government Sector employment will see young men treated in the same hostile manner as fathers.

    The next wave of male payers.

    The dead-beat student.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Tue 19th June 2018 @ 8:43 am

  3. Inland Revenue didn’t provide their proud suicide statistics. Curious!?
    When I look back, for me the takeaway points are:
    1. the viciousness of the “child [and spousal] support” process and
    2. how amazingly resilient most men (and women payers) have been and
    3. how blinded the wider population have been, by the anti-father propaganda.

    The sad reality, is that although the vast majority of men (and women payers) have “survived” that abuse, the natural social adjustment has led to much more wariness by men (and some women), about being in stable caring relationships, about conceiving children and about trust in the caught$ system.
    The way that payments were defined by ability to pay, not on the actual costs and the way that women’s “need” for money was used to define custody, showed that the system was unethical and immoral in the first place. So no wonder that it hasn’t really achieved anything positive, except in a short term balance sheet. The long term costs and disadvantages outweigh the value of the short term “advantages”. The debacle shows how poor the values judgements of both Nabour and Lational has been.
    Our society has talked about protecting children’s relationships with both parents, even passed “legislation” to protect children’s relationships with both parents CoCA 2004, but the reality that affects too many children is impoverished or destroyed relationships with the earning parent and their family. What a parenting example to reinforce.
    A large fraction of our children, have paid a huge developmental price for our societal apathy.
    Too many payers have died and subsequently been unable to parent their children. What an achievement?
    Only manslaughterers and murderers could be proud of such achievements.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Tue 19th June 2018 @ 1:54 pm

  4. Student loan is a similar trap to child support:

    Child support payers who have a lower income than they previously did or lower than an accessed income are always in debt.,

    Student loan is relative to our economy but if a job is not available and the student takes a job in a lesser economy than ours he cannot hope in some cases to honour the debt even though he is working.

    This is the reality of the Feminist Political Economy.

    Too many old school dick heads like Martin Van Beynen nead a smack in the head to wake them into reality.

    As for IRD employees, they’re just bear shit without a woods.

    Comment by Downunder — Tue 19th June 2018 @ 3:59 pm

  5. I suppose we could laugh if “assessed” imaginary income led to imaginary debts.
    As far as I can see, imaginary debts have led to quite a handful of real world suicides.
    At that point, responsible people would re-examine their practice holisticly, in the light of all of the evidence.
    Sadly, their re-examination isn’t any wiser than their first approach to the “problem”.
    Is it an integrity problem, or a competence problem?
    We don’t need foreign enemies, we are our own worst enemy.
    The killings go on?

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Tue 19th June 2018 @ 9:49 pm

  6. As you described above Murray the lack of awareness in society and the difficulty getting into a discussion.

    On occasions what I’ve discovered if that the enforcers regardless of their department, IRD, Police or otherwise there are human problems which have led to mental health issues and resignations – when the reality of the process they have been involved in slaps them in the face.

    I imagine these people generally remain quiet out of guilt, fear, perhaps terms of employment but they are out there.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Wed 20th June 2018 @ 8:19 am

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