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Men and Climate Change

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 10:34 am Fri 15th March 2019

The news is too distressing today, and it’s Friday.

And then I saw this, in relation to our ‘children’s climate change protest’:

John McLeod



Maybe it’s time 16 yr olds got the vote. They are informed and it’s their future. We haven’t done that well.

The merchant of doom.

‘We’ … us men? The collective civilization of the world?

Who is it exactly, that hasn’t done that well?

To give this some perspective, this father is relating to his daughters.

My Y12 and Y10 Wellington High School daughters are off to climate change march today.

I am not sure whether to be totally bemused or confused by this thought traveling through the Twittersphere. The idea that we we should throw our hands up in horror admit to some sort of failure and invest power in the adolescent minds of society.

Help me out here. How many people actually think like this?

Is it just fathers with daughters who feel they can no longer object to the female voice?

Do some fathers feel like the sacraficial lambs for the ‘sins of the fathers’ or is this the death of adult male opinion according to the myths of politicians.

Malign our past and seize the future and fuck all the scientists, soldiers and servants of progress that got us this far.

Is this what you tell your children?

10 Responses to “Men and Climate Change”

  1. Evan Myers says:

    This seems to be a political theme floating around Wellington and the current political driver.

    The past was a failure, therefore we have to do this and if you disagree you’re stuck in the past. Be interested to know if anyone else is seeing this used to shut down debate.

  2. Ministry of Men's Affairs says:

    Yes, let’s put children in charge of the country’s decisions. The protesting children from pre-school to secondary school ages undoubtedly understand climate science sufficiently to have absolute certainty about what should be done. However, how many of them will refuse to be driven to and from school, clubs and social events in petrol or diesel powered vehicles? Indeed, most were probably transported to the protests in such vehicles. Still, it’s positive that people of all ages think and learn about the world’s issues.

  3. Vman says:

    This is absolutely appalling.
    I was an ex-pat child in China when the Cultural Revolution reached it’s peak. For those that don’t know, this is when the Communist Party made sure all the army and the children were “…informed and it’s their future”. The Party even gave them all a Little Red Book so that they were fully informed. The children then outed their wrong thinking parents and teachers to the authorities. Millions suffered and as far as I know there has never been an accurate count of the many, many thousands who were tortured and executed.

    A country under the rule of ideologically brainwashed children is one of the most terrifying things I have ever witnessed. And we were safe foreign observers, who could leave any time. Imagine how it was for the Chinese.

    Children must be at school by law during school hours.
    These children, their parents and teachers, the media and anyone assisting them have failed in their legal schooling responsibilities. They are truant and should have that on their school record.

    Children are welcome to protest and speak their mind in the weekend or their holidays. That is what I did as a teenager. I may have been ill informed and blind to the grey areas on topics but at least I was attending school and learning how to be informed, during school hours.

    Children are not at all well informed. Least of all about the endless shades of grey and complex contradictory facts of political topics. It is a massive disservice to lead children to think they are. In fact the current generations’ lack of critical thinking skills appears to be worse than the previous generation, not better.

    Do you think any of them are consciously aware that the climate has always changed? Often rapidly.

    They should be in class learning how to pick apart all the claims on every side on this topic. THAT would be a skill they will need.

    This isn’t a climate change protest, it is a failure to educate children on a massive scale. At the very least it is an embarrassment.

  4. gwallan says:

    During the past century there have been several volcanic events which have each vented more CO2 than humans have generated in total. Lake Taupo erupting could destroy the entire north island of NZ and send the planet into a nuclear winter for decades.

    In addition we appear to be entering a Maunder Minimum – related to solar activity – which will significantly lower temperatures for many decades as occurs at approximately 500 year intervals. This has been the source of regular mini ice ages throughout history. We are due and the almost complete absence of sunspots in recent years indicate it to be a certainty in the next few decades.

    “Global warming” disappeared from the rhetoric a while ago to be replaced with “climate change”. The strategies being offered, however, remain the same. I have little doubt that when the cooling really sets in those same pundits will try to take credit.

  5. JustCurious says:

    THanks Gwallan,

    Just part of a cycle and a series of cyclical events…
    People want to make a lot out of it but the Sahara was once a lush garden.
    Most of the deserts around the world were lush gardens.
    But men, instead of focusing on fellow men to improve and rightfully empower each and every person to reach their true human potential, woud rather spend millions and if not billions in applying topical solutions to problems they cannot understand.

    The environment is truly important as the mother.BUt any effort trying to address a symptom rather than a root cause is likely to create horrible side effects.

  6. DJ Ward says:–and-its-one-that-will-drown-out-groundswells-howl

    I don’t think the author, likes farmers.
    Or properly sees there predicament.

    I do have a poem I wrote in the past.
    That’s relevant to her comment.
    “A storm is coming”

    When the wind blows.
    Hear screams of nature.
    Trees taking deep breaths.
    When the wind blows
    Water rippling unrelenting.
    Waves on the shore.
    Shield yourself from the sand.
    Blown up in your eyes.
    When the wind blows.
    More danger for someone.
    Hurricane danger somewhere.
    When the wind blows.
    Hear screams of nature.
    Trees taking deep breaths.
    When the wind blows.
    Man has to answer.
    The screams of nature.
    Trees taking deep breaths.
    When the wind blows.


    So I will pretend to be the town dwellers.
    Packed in like sardines.
    Pot plants, a desperate last resort, to life.

    Even it’s building.
    Permanently on, waiting for its masters commands.
    Keeping time, a slow trickle, of energy.

    In time the human will use megawatts.
    Roofed, and concreted.
    A jungle, with no carbon absorbed.

    Even the simple apple, the destined polluter.
    Eaten and processed, by the human.
    It’s number ones, and twos.
    Again it’s energy, breathed out.
    As carbon dioxide.

    It’s plastics, it’s cars, roads.
    Rubbish tips, and poisoned creeks.
    It’s urban sprawl, and loneliness.


    Farmers are no more innocent, or guilty.
    Than the city dweller.
    All the requirements for change.
    Are placed on farmers.
    The must do things.
    With there own land.

    What must the city dweller, do with there land.

    Must they provide there own electricity.
    With wind and solar power.

    Must they have the bare minimum.
    Of pot plants.

    To absorb, the city dwellers.
    Waste carbon.

  7. DJ Ward says:

    This is a good idea

    For us older people.
    We remember milk bottles.
    Now with your re-usable shopping bag.
    You will take your re-usable milk bottle.

    Technically if you had a dispensary.
    With all the milk options.
    With standard sized bottles.
    Small and large.
    You can have all the options.
    Then charged for at the counter.

    The hard part is paying.
    Volume is decided by the bottle size.
    But the till operator.
    What type of milk was it.
    How can that be decided fast.

    The bottle has it own bar code.
    Log it in at the dispensary.
    Get your milk.
    The computer knows the price.
    The till operator just scans, or even self checkout.

    Problem solved.

  8. DJ Ward says:

    Soon there will be so many humans, with there needs.
    That water may run out.
    With many places on earth having problems.

    So an argument about creating water.

    Where the river meets the sea, you put a pump.
    It could be wind, even solar powered.
    Let’s say the pump can push water 100m higher.
    So a pipe way up the river, where its put back in the river.

    If you returned all the rivers water, it’s flow would double.
    You could then start pump two.
    Quadrupling flow in the river.
    Eventually the river couldn’t keep up.
    The water inevitably released to the sea.

    Humans could play god with the river.
    Dictating flow, to its own blueprint of nature.
    The rivers volume of water, also a reservoir.

  9. Evan Myers says:

    We’ve been using desalination plants for centuries.

    Pakistan has a nuclear plant to deal with its water shortages.

    The lowering water table in places like Indian has been a major problem for over 20 years.

    We’ve outgrown our water resources in many places like the California River Valley but it happened in the Nile Delta too. In the worst of times the Egyptians ate their children to survive.

    I’m sure we’ll manage.

  10. DJ Ward says:

    We live in a nation, with plenty of water.
    Some nations have genuine problems.
    Building a nuclear reactor, sounds desperate.
    I live next to one of the worst examples.
    You would not drink the water.
    The lake has a do not go in the water sign.

    In the above example, the water is polluted.
    So the water intercepted at the ocean.
    Should be put on farms, replacing pumping groundwater for irrigation.
    A better water table supports the river.
    The pollution, now fertiliser, and irrigation.

    Even dealing with sewage, can change.
    Going from wet systems, with ponds.
    To dry systems, creating fertiliser.
    Many rivers would welcome that change.

    In the dairy industry, the same could happen.
    Effluent dried into a manure, sold on, or used on the farm.
    Better than adding good water to it, so it can be irrigated.

    Climate change, and overpopulation, are serious issues.
    Some resort to desperate fixes.
    Some nations dam the river, for themselves to use.
    They can even start shooting at each other.
    Over water.

    In our case, it’s the health of the rivers that’s the problem.
    Us taking to much, resulting in a failing system.
    How do we take the same, but have a more healthy river.
    Using water stored during high rain events, vs from the river in summer.
    An obvious solution.

    I don’t see defeat, in regards to our rivers, and lakes.
    Opposite to what seems government policy.
    Innovative investments in water should be supported.
    The risk taker, helped to get the projects started.

    Even fast tracked based on actual positive outcomes.
    A farmer may agree to taking 1 million litres less in water from the ground.
    If he gets 2 million litres from the new water project.

    It has a positive outcome.

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