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The Killing Of “i”

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 9:25 am Sun 27th June 2021

Identity is something I’ve mentioned before but I’m not sure we’ve had an in depth discussion about the subject on MENZ.

We’re not born with identity, it’s something that is given to us, but I’m referring to more than just how we are identified and more to the content of that identity, which is us, which is our ‘I’.

The acknowledgement and preservation of identity appears to be much more central to criminal law than civil law although I haven’t thought too much about that, at this stage.

What inspires this post today is the thought that females are much more adept at killing each other’s developing identities than males are.

Those nasty catfights at high school in our teenage years always seemed so ruthless and often ended in tears and needed the adult intervention of teachers more so than male issues which generally related to discipline.

In our more feminised society that we live with today the term bullying is in the general dialogue of today’s teenage years and it makes me wonder then whether this behavior had been socially repressed?
It’s grown outwards of course to the workplace and social media.

As female agression has been liberalised and accepted (wrongly I think as it doesn’t qualify as equality) it’s been let loose as an assault on the male identity.

Across the board from the 1980s we’ve seen this uncertainty around male identity and an increasingly volatile assault on nearly every age group of males from early education right through to the “pale stale male”.

The feminist assault on the male identity to make it weak, compliant and beneficial to the feminist lifestyle … not what’s in your tool box but what’s in your handbag as you collect your accessories going through life.

Men refusing to surrender what they see as their male identity are labelled as rude, abusive, and wherever possible ostracised to some no-man’s land of toxic-masculinity.

That must affect relationships, expectations in relationships, and social outcomes

The process of killing male identity is blindly accepted not only in the family court but generally in society now, and while not entirely responsible for the high male suicide rate, must be a contributing factor.

If identity is a major factor in the advancement of feminism which I think it is when you look at the effort to create any form of mythical success beyond the acknowledgement of the real success of any women, then it’s surely no surprise that the otherside of that equation is to destroy male identity.

Is this a repressed subject as a result of feminist culture and is the killing of identity a means to killing men and getting away with murder?


  1. Hi Mr Downunder,, I trust you are well.

    The facade of the Empathetic way of govern has swelled the other ‘i’, individualism, thereby quelching the traditional identity further, these are not only Men but also Women.

    Like you say from the eighties on the male identity has been slowly then strongly trounced.
    .. but I feel like it leads to something even bigger for the human race…I guess why not start with the blokes, after all they are the ones that started it all…a pun.

    I can see and feel but not completely yet swallow, let alone understand, the disconnect in its entirety.

    Comment by mama — Sun 27th June 2021 @ 1:53 pm

  2. I’d certainly agree that individuality has grown. I remember that discussion from many years ago and I would agree that it is contained within identity.

    But I can’t relate that to the killing of identity when individuality suggests freedom to grow even if that is separately rather than in a similar fashion.

    I think we’re talking about two different things there.

    Comment by Downunder — Sun 27th June 2021 @ 2:26 pm

  3. It doesn’t look like boys are behaving well.

    What is mentioned is the boy’s argument existing.
    But not what it is.
    It’s a media, code of silence.
    A men’s issue.

    So 20 girls get raped.
    And lots experience other bad behaviour.

    Let’s make our own study.
    What’s happening to boys?

    50% of pregnancy’s are without there consent.
    Magically same size study of 725.
    Having about 1.6 kids each.
    That’s 580 of those events.

    Plus thousands, upon thousands, of attempted conception.

    And 10% is paternity fraud.
    So another 116 of those events.
    Then there’s FTP cases.
    IE actual acts of rape.

    So a 100% victim rate.
    Let’s all give hate men feminists the clap.
    Now they hate boys as well, 100% certain.
    But not a word of honesty, about there suffering.

    About crimes involving sex, that males experience.

    There is no I, to the government, for men.
    You have an IRD number.
    It’s the number that counts the most.
    And benefits, from the dirty deeds, of girls.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Mon 28th June 2021 @ 6:09 pm

  4. I agree there has been a slow siege on the identity of men. And it does have an affect on relationships. 12 years ago the ex-wife and I agreed I was to be the primary provider and she the primary care giver. A very traditional setup but born out of the fact that my ex-wife’s contracting career had dried up and she thought this was the time to start a family. Present day and a year into our separation, I’m the villain. Apparently she ‘sacrificed’ her career to raise our children. Even though all of our children are at school, in her words, she is ‘f$@^ed’. Inserted into my arm is an IV that syphons child support and spousal maintenance. My identity as father, protector, role model, primary provider etc – all gone. I’m simply an ATM. My identity has been erased.

    Comment by ErasingDad — Tue 29th June 2021 @ 11:03 am

  5. Erased?

    It’s never erased. It’s your identity that exists after death.

    Part of it has been removed and those attributes are easy identified. Identity gets added to without any legitimate authority.

    He is violent, abusive, toxic, controlling … whatever and this is the basis of the ongoing authority to trash a man’s reputation.

    The police are now so politicised in this respect they are conflicted with the courts they should be working for and at odds with judges administering criminal law.

    I see a post of weaponised law. Consider the weaponised identity conflicted with the innocence or unjustly accused and falsely accused by continuing rumour and innuendo.

    Once this new or altered identity is established an individual can no longer participate freely in life. Anything done for any reason will immediately be seen in the light of that identity.

    The social climate today has changed from one that no longer favours men, to one that ruthlessly disposing of men at the whim of the authorised person beyond any unauthorised person.

    You need a reasonable perspective on the law to start to understand what’s happening here.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Thu 1st July 2021 @ 9:36 am

  6. #5 I can’t really comment on criminal law. But in respect to Family law, it is more about personalities and opinions rather than black and white law. Men have been decimated for many, many years in this arena, regardless of what laws intend. This disease has spread into general society. And it seems, now into criminal law. The identity of men is under wholesale attack.

    Comment by ErasingDad — Thu 1st July 2021 @ 11:36 am

  7. #6 That is more to do with evidence and burden of proof being “on the balance of probability.

    That is not the discussion about identity but is certainly part of the process that would affect identity.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Thu 1st July 2021 @ 3:27 pm

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