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Filed under: General — Downunder @ 12:51 pm Sat 22nd May 2021

I saw this extract in a recent comment.

There’s no doubt there’s been some great success in the past. Some men responsible for this are still on this forum. Reaching anywhere near that level again seems out of reach at this present time. Most of us are just hanging in there consumed by family court processes, lawyer and child support bills.

We could write a book about “what happened” remembering that this was in the period between the start of MMP in 1996 and the first two terms of the Labour Greens government that achieved so much ‘social reform’ as they call it up to 2005.

Creatures who are taught to think only and without the benefit of morals are a menace to society – it was close to a civil war and attracted a much larger participation very quickly.

But back to the comment, in that it suggests that nothing can change until the same thing happens again.

Society changes and the approach should be what is the best option now. Ideas often meet with resistance as some of us know a suggestion has been tried before and we already know what happens when you do that.

You get the critics quashing these individual moments of enthusiasm and while it seems wrong, it points also to a lack of consideration to the best option rather than a reaction.

We’ve had 15 years to get better at this – have we?
Are we a more developed society today than the one some of us started fighting for 20-25 years ago?

What is the best approach today?

In my recent conversations it is surprising now how many women who don’t know me try to tell me how bad it is for men today, how much they disrespect their feminist sisters and across the spectrum of European, Maori and Polynesian women.

These women are equally surprised at the hostility they experience for voicing that opinion. Some are expelled from organizations, study courses and social groups for daring to have that opinion and that is sometimes how these conversations start.

Women are starting to wake up to what thugs feminists are and that the girls their sons are dating are teaching their sons to hate their mothers – it’s an advance on the typical alienation of mothers teaching their children to hate their fathers.

Journalism doesn’t report this trend like it should as a public reaction to the legal environment our parliamentary wing continues to pursue.

There’s an element of Conservatism there with many people looking at what we haven’t hung on to, what we might want back to have a more stable society and what we might be specifically asking for.

That raises the question now as to whether there can be a political solution. It couldn’t happen previously even though those protest groups supported political parties in an attempt to do that.

It’s a different landscape now amongst the public rather than in the administration. You wouldn’t be reading this if there wasn’t still a problem. Talking to people on the street, as I do, I’m hearing a different narrative, one that’s invented itself out of the circumstances … that’s encouraging.

Why it’s most encouraging is this: finding like minded people in a population to protest a problem can be difficult. If they are much greater in their numbers and particularly women as well then it’s not only a different place to look but an easier number of people to find to work with.

That I suggest is the way to approach the moment rather than hoping the past will reinvent itself on your behalf.


  1. Again more thought provoking wisdom from Downunder. You are right about the narrative changing. I know a few women, particularly in Maori support services who can discern between abuse of a partner/spouse and abuse of the system. They have expressed that there are greater number of women who are abusing/using the system at the detriment of women who are genuinely seeking safety. I was surprised at the scorn they expressed for these women but really surprised at the understanding they showed for the circumstances of men.

    I take my hat of to you Downunder and I’m thankful for all your input.

    Comment by ErasingDad — Sun 23rd May 2021 @ 9:30 am

  2. The change will come with the generation that is currently reaching its 20s and who have experienced the reality of the failure of the Courts to protect them. Its all aquestion of time.
    I have no regrets for standing up and speaking out against the tide it was the right thing to do. Now my health prevents less activity but i still watch and observe. May be its time to write a book lol.


    Comment by James Nicolle — Tue 8th June 2021 @ 6:40 pm

  3. As we know, life can be like drawing straws.
    Would fate not dictate, there must be the drawing, of the shortest straw.
    Events so bad, the person is compelled, to write.
    That New Editions, are mandatory with time.

    A cultural revolution is taking place.
    It should be documented.
    Hence we write.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Tue 8th June 2021 @ 7:19 pm

  4. This is possibly one of the best posts on how the future for families will develop. It is not a pretty one.

    The information collected by our boys and young men will be the risk to have a family is far too great. For many years now you hear of woman saying there is a man drought. But what they are really saying there are few men they would consider.

    Eligible men would be earning a good income, owning a home is a first priority for a woman.

    Any separated dad will tell their child that allowing a woman to live in your home is, if things go south, a man is effectively signing an agreement giving her that home, everything in that home, limited or no access to his children, ongoing taxes to pay for her lifestyle. That and having a without notice protection order that stops you from giving and receiving love to your children.
    It will be costly having people live in separate dwellings. More roading to those dwellings.

    Secure options could be:

    1. Be a solo dad. Adopt a child. – Good luck with that.

    2. Find a surrogate whereby a woman agrees to bear a child for another person or persons, who will become the child’s parent after birth.

    3.Move to a country that respects property ownership rights, respects equal sharing.
    Number 2 has issues because you want someone to love and be loved too. And things could go wrong if she does not want to hand the child over.

    Number 3 is instant.

    I don’t know the law of other countries. I know Australia is in reform with their Family Court. They are in the process of being brought back into the main court rules. It remains to be seen how that one will work out.

    Here is a link to “The best countries to raise a family in 2020”.

    I note NZ was awarded an “F” for cost index. It put us as the second worse country in the world to live in for costs.

    Out of 35 countries, New Zealand now ranks in the bottom half. The index does not detail separation laws which would be the main consideration for most men.

    If someone else could find a safe place for men to have and raise his children, that would be helpful.

    Comment by Lukenz — Wed 9th June 2021 @ 11:25 am

  5. #4 Luckenz

    “Eligible men would be earning a good income, owning a home is a first priority for a woman.”

    In some ways there is evolutionary pressure on the behaviour.

    Like some birds.
    That build nests to attract females, for sex.
    So understandably human as well.

    Hence those with power, oppress men without power.
    Life’s conditions harsher, and generous to the voter.
    Natural gynocentrism, blinding judgement.


    So men have built in circuitry.
    That stops them from assaulting women.
    Hence White Knight type behaviour.

    Women have no such circuitry.
    That stops them assaulting men.
    Hence society is unable to stop DV.

    But men do assault women.
    Psychopaths, and some male mental health events, can be violent.
    Or the male is drugged, and, or drunk.

    The same can be said for women.
    But the statistics, indicating genetics, the circuitry.
    Mendal level genetics.

    Lifetime rates.
    22% for men, 38% for women.
    So men get something 1/2 as often, or as much, as women.
    Or 1/2 as often as results, by group of genes.


    Inevitably matriarchal type society fails.
    They inevitably, eliminate father child relationships.
    Females a more privileged class, and male workers.

    They are however successful, in technology advances, due to male creativity.
    Men freed from child rearing, but with the responsibility of work.
    Extremes remove even parentage from males.

    However they get eliminated quickly.
    The enemy arrives, at the gate.
    Men, I offer you basic rights.

    Please don’t fight us when we invade.
    I imagine again, the private in the trench, ‘charge’.
    What for, cries the private.

    “Freedom” cried the enemy.
    To the army of the matriarchy.
    Who surrendered without a fight.


    If history were to repeat itself.
    Highly likely, considering we’re dealing with humans.
    From that story, of matriarchal rule.
    Next in human history.
    Is the beginning of the Roman Empire.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Wed 9th June 2021 @ 7:09 pm

  6. A more extreme New Edition.

    A spacecraft travelling to another star.
    Essentially a closed environment, with few people.
    The trip, likely 200 years of time.
    Without us Earthlings, having no physical control over events.

    Does it eventually have Pitcairn Island type events.
    Fights over power.
    Greed, and corruption.

    Debatable if humans could manage the task.
    To write that edition, it’s possible, delving into debauchery.
    Like many, sailing ships, full of NZ settlers, became.

    I guess we will have to wait and see.
    What the Colonise the solar system, New Edition would say.
    Given a few Millenia, to write it.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Wed 9th June 2021 @ 8:05 pm

  7. #2 Gosh, Scrap.

    You’re still alive and kicking!

    Are you still in Wellington?

    Comment by Downunder — Thu 10th June 2021 @ 6:26 am

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