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FENZ – Firemen Doing Nothing

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 9:46 am Thu 19th May 2022

Times have changed but even though women firefighters are not uncommon these days, the Fire and Emergency Service is still primarily a male domain and highly reliant on men volunteering to support their communities, it’s not just those engaged as paid professionals.

This is another industry and one of several on the periphery of the government health mandates that has over 1,000 operational staff sitting at home waiting for the restrictions to go away so they can get back to what they enjoy doing.

But the situation still applies … if you want to serve your community, get jabbed or get lost.

Their interest is in going to work or serving their community as a volunteer. Many if not most have no idea this situation is driven by a remote board, that is disconnected from the industry – “we don’t read their emails” is the general level of interest, let alone being able to name anyone responsible for the decision making at that level that’s causing this issue.

There is a significant disconnect here.

The current covid policies have affected the FENZ operations and ability to maintain their normal operations but the board is not being questioned over the degree of support they apply to the Government’s increasingly unrealistic position.

This is also stopping new volunteers getting involved.

Here we have men wanting to be constructive members of society and not able to do so.


  1. What you are talking about has nothing to do with men’s rights.
    The fire and emergency service are a public facing organization and so need to protect the public by having staff who are vaccinated.
    If those volunteers don’t want to get the vaccine, it’s their choice.
    No one is forcing them to.

    Comment by John — Thu 19th May 2022 @ 4:11 pm

  2. John, with respect, if volunteers don’t want the ‘vaccine’, they are really wise. The genetic manipulation does not give protection from Covid and it does not prevent transmission as Gates was telling everyone at the start. He made a lot of money from it. So did Fauci. In most parts of the world, hospitals are not overwhelmed with Covid patients. They are overwhelmed by the vaccine injured, who are now in the millions.

    Comment by James — Thu 19th May 2022 @ 4:22 pm

  3. @1 … who decided in their wisdom to integrate volunteers in to the national system in 2017 which hasn’t been a successful exercise so now a volunteer no longer has “the right” to participate in his community because of some state requirements to do with public facing organisations.

    Sounds like big city stuff to me.

    Who owns the right to discriminate?

    Comment by Downunder — Thu 19th May 2022 @ 5:09 pm

  4. #3 James.

    What genetic manipulation.
    I know of no evidence, where my DNA is changed.
    In fact I watched a program, debunking that claim.

    You are correct, it offers no protection.
    As a person exposed to the virus, is exposed no matter what.

    You are correct, it doesn’t stop transmission.
    As a infected person, is infectious vaccinated or not.

    You are correct, they made a lot of money.
    One million Americans, are also dead.
    So 1 in 350 people having low vaccination, NZ 1 in 5000 vaccinated.
    Can you then put a price, on a single life saved.

    What vaccine injured.
    Very little harm, is documented as happening.
    We would know, by the US lawsuit rate.
    We are the most vaccinated, but the hospitals are empty.
    Oh wait, you got sucked in by statistics.
    Anyone in hospital, is also then vaccinated.
    Yes the hospital is full, of the vaccinated.

    Which leads to your premise, the vaccine is unsafe.
    While not perfect, look at death rates.
    Unvaccinated vs vaccinated, is no argument.
    Especially, for high risk groups.
    So I think your wrong, overall.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Thu 19th May 2022 @ 5:13 pm

  5. Sorry it’s #2 James.

    Don’t actually agree, with stoping them working.
    As I have argued, they did nothing to be discriminated.
    The worst seems to be over, so what’s achieved.
    A tiny erroneous gain, for a larger loss.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Thu 19th May 2022 @ 5:17 pm

  6. So, that’s 1,000 plus people and ongoing volunteers maybe 2,000 people mostly men willing to make a significant commitment, an ongoing commitment to their communities. When was the last time you saw a thousand people lining up to do a job?
    Probably the parliament protest.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Fri 20th May 2022 @ 5:40 am

  7. @5 “the worst seems to be over”
    New Zealand currently has the highest cases per capita.
    That’s probably due to the lockdowns and thus so many people who haven’t caught it earlier and also people who think the worst is over.
    My nephew currently has it. He’s a strong guy but he’s been surprised how strongly it has affected him, especially his respiratory system.
    When yhe worst is actually over I will then agree with the original poster, but until then I am personally glad that there are vaccine mandates for front line staff

    Comment by John — Fri 20th May 2022 @ 2:30 pm

  8. @7 sorry I can’t support your science based on your single person study and your obviously biased opinion towards your nephew’s immune system.

    In drawing comparison a more obvious example might be the different standards applied by police compared to fire staff.

    Comment by Downunder — Fri 20th May 2022 @ 4:41 pm

  9. I saw a recent interview of one of the professional crew, a father of 5, who was stood down while on 3 weeks leave.

    I’ll see if I can find a link to that.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Fri 20th May 2022 @ 4:46 pm


    The interview is still online. Hopefully the link works.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Fri 20th May 2022 @ 4:58 pm

  11. @8 I don’t think if you were given the data from John Hopkins you would believe it so there’s no point in offering links.
    In fact, I understand that Australia’s 7 day case average has now overtaken NZ. Nevertheless, we are still in a very dangerous phase so my point is valid.

    Comment by John — Sat 21st May 2022 @ 1:00 pm

  12. John Hopkins Covid Research Centre CRC acknowledged the limitations of ongoing research in September 2021 when multiple states stopped reporting to the centre

    Even WHO acknowledges the necessity to apply responses according to regional situations.

    John Hopkins CRC (Covid Response Centre) has no data on New Zealand.

    So, you’re right, you wouldn’t be able to offer usual links.

    Try engaging in something a little more sophisticated than a pretentious superiority based on fallacy arguments.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Sat 21st May 2022 @ 2:05 pm

  13. Posting this not for you,but for others who might believe your disinformation

    Comment by John — Sat 21st May 2022 @ 8:16 pm

  14. You start restricting infections, due to demographics.
    We have one million cases, so 1 in 5 have had the virus.
    That’s just confirmed, so actual cases is higher.
    The virus went from 5/5 chance, of contacting the uninfected.
    Now it is at 4/5 chance, of contacting the uninfected.
    Reality if actual infections, is twice reported infections.
    The number is 3/5 chance, of contacting the uninfected.

    So it is hard to see, how we could reach peak infections again.
    Especially if we continue, with the isolated house rule.
    Even though more than half, are yet to get sick.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Sat 21st May 2022 @ 10:39 pm

  15. @14 Never heard of reinfections?
    Honestly, the BS that I see on this site these days has nothing to do with advancing things for men.
    It’s just a soap box for a bunch of loons, with the occasional genuine person who writes on here.

    Comment by John — Sat 21st May 2022 @ 10:49 pm

  16. Except for the way in which the vaccines have affected each gender, Covid is not a gender issue. Or is it?

    This next link from Yale.

    72% of the side effects were from women. There is probably an element of men do not seem to complain as much.

    Now let’s talk about do I or don’t I.

    I believe it is a personal choice. The term antivaxxer is offensive because pro-choice means exactly that.

    Not being able to get a haircut, or sit down for a meal in town, is an acceptable penalty. Loss of employment is not. We have employment laws that should have prevented that.

    I have made my decision to not partake. That reason is based upon a number of orange and red lights.

    1. Regardless if you are vaccinated or not, you catch it and pass it on equally. In my mind, that alone puts an end to the argument. Also, if you are vaccinated, why should you be worried? I know you are going to say, well if I’m vaccinated, I’ll get a less severe reaction to it. Again, in my mind the vaccinated should be overjoyed with this news.

    2. If you are in a restaurant, you had to wear your mask until seated. My thinking is surely you would be more at risk seated facing each other at a table, talking and breathing rather than in a single file as you enter the restaurant.

    3. Why did our PM pay out $50 million to the local news media? And why is it the mainstream media almost never report on people who say have been harmed from this vaccine?

    4. Rather than go through the whole “why” list, Lynda Warton sent an open video letter to our PM. I call it “The why letter.”

    To date, there has been no response from the PM.

    I have no right to demand or threaten with loss of employment to anyone who wishes to be vaccinated to not be vaccinated. Because of (1) above, I should be the one who is worried.

    My query is, why are the vaccinated worried?

    Klaus Schwab wrote a book called the great reset. That is being played out.

    While it will help, we are not going to save the planet by not making plastic bags and petrol cars. We are going to save the planet by not making as many humans in the future.

    Time will tell if the 72% of female complaints are genuinely having health difficulties or not.

    Comment by Lukenz — Sun 22nd May 2022 @ 12:23 am

  17. #15 John

    You made an assumption, that I didn’t know something.
    Since there is media discussion, I did know that subject.
    Some famous people, are examples of the reinfected.

    I’m guessing you then commented, on the basis you were correct.
    Assumption is a weakness, all humans have.
    Even the right to be believed, is making assumptions.

    To the firm believer, even the truth can be wrong.

    #16 lukenz.
    You have lots of good questions, in your comment.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Sun 22nd May 2022 @ 8:49 am

  18. @13

    Disinformation is a specific category of misinformation that we would have previously called a ruse or similar where there is a deliberate use of misinformation to create a specific outcome.

    The overview you’ve pointed to at John Hopkins CRC should mirror what is supplied to World Health but I haven’t checked. If we had Covid in the North Island and not in the South Island you would still get the same overview not any specific or useful data.

    If you were aware of the Lancet research you would be aware that they have gone further and pointed out the anomalies in data collection per country and the danger of making direct comparisons without any analysis of collection strategies not withstanding that the overview doesn’t constitute useful data to any greater extent than a global perspective.

    You again …
    From #15
    Honestly, the BS that I see on this site these days has nothing to do with advancing things for men.
    It’s just a soap box for a bunch of loons, with the occasional genuine person who writes on here.

    The bullshit is not here. It lies in gaps in your knowledge and your willingness to understand something that conflicts with your established belief.
    The possibility of you understanding this is in question but should it reach your central cortex I’m sure you’ll understand that I’m struggling to value your opinion on “loons” and what you think constitutes a genuine person or writing from a genuine person.

    You’ve added nothing to this post but a vague and erractic opinion and disrespect for other contributors.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Sun 22nd May 2022 @ 12:53 pm

  19. THERE IS A REASON, that the WHO and the UN and the puppet regime, NEVER EVEN ASKED where Covid came from.

    A vaccine so safe you have to be threatened to take it… For a virus so deadly you need to be tested to know if you have it. An experimental vaccine without any liability for a virus with a 99.8% survival rate and a 100% survival rate for under 20-year-olds.

    Note that influenza deaths have not changed in the past 10 years and to make room for Covid, influenza deaths from pneumonia and the common flu were registered at zero during the two Covid years!!

    Comment by James — Sun 22nd May 2022 @ 1:32 pm

  20. “Advancing things for men?”

    20 – 25 years ago the gender issues were perhaps much more easily identified and written about.

    In today’s society with less defined gender roles it’s often issues that affect a group with a majority of men or a group of men who aren’t being recognised or acknowledged.

    I cross the urban rural divide in what I see which is very much the case here with a volunteer fire station closing down as the vollies in protest walked out in solidarity with their banished mates.
    I didn’t write that in the post.

    I could have written a lot more but it might have then looked like an attack on the Labour candidate in the Tauranga by-election who is the minister in this case.

    The disconnect I mentioned is perhaps also not so well understood. It’s a good example of how groups of men are politically unrepresented and also struggle to get acknowledgement from the media.

    Comment by Downunder — Sun 22nd May 2022 @ 2:36 pm


    Comment by Evan Myers — Tue 24th May 2022 @ 6:14 pm

  22. That’s an important win, in examining rights.

    What does it cause to happen, next time.
    Or is there other examples, in society.
    I have been looking, at quite a few Bill of Rights issues.

    Mandates for vaccination, in preschool is one.
    As it is a workplace, with a customer.
    As the child, did nothing to get discriminated against.
    Actually mandates, may even apply to staff as in the lost case.
    The claim is of justification, being a real risk to other children.
    Actually the claim, is somewhat false.
    In most cases if you vaccinate, they can’t catch the disease.
    So how can unvaccinated, pass it to the vaccinated.
    Infections can be spotted early, reducing risk of spread.
    If it’s that bad, the government can contact trace.
    Even lockdown of close contacts, is justifiable.
    There is no 100% risk, to the other children.

    Is the reason for discrimination then, actually justified.
    Covid was like an exception, or not an elimination vaccine.
    So the Crowns argument, is very weak for job mandates.
    We apply hindsight, to decisions when they were guessing.

    If it was an elimination vaccine, could they then mandate.
    Yet the argument above, shows it’s irrational to do so.

    If the justification, is slowing the spread.
    It is hard to argue with urgency, even when it’s guessing.
    This case forces them, to have better justifications for discrimination.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Tue 24th May 2022 @ 8:37 pm

  23. As said above I didn’t put a lot of detail in the post.

    One of the key issues was that staff including volunteers had to agree to a booster shot every 3 months to be able to attend emergencies.

    This mainly affects men but as you see even though the government has changed its position we’re not seeing any msm comments.

    Comment by Downunder — Mon 30th May 2022 @ 3:02 pm

  24. As a volunteer firefighter I can report that the ‘look a gift horse in the mouth’ attitude of FENZ has not been limited to vaccinations. FENZ imposed a code of conduct meaning that volunteers have to be inclusive and can be expelled for expressing or being accused of having un-p.c. views, telling un-p.c. jokes etc. Volunteers had to attend workshops where they were told they had white privilege, were certain to show unconscious racism, sexism and microaggression. The volunteers give up a lot of time and their sleep at night, subjecting themselves to danger, heavy labour, dirt, smoke, noise and more to protect life and property, as well as donating many weekends and evenings for endless training. Surely their right to their own political views, sense of humour and so forth should be shown more respect than this?

    Comment by John Butler — Thu 2nd June 2022 @ 3:30 pm

  25. With paid crews in urban areas, which is a significant minority of fire fighters across the country, FENZ risks human rights abuses by enforcement of their mandatory vaccinated policy to collect your pay, but with the greater majority of rural fire fighters we risk multiple station closures without vaccine compliant staff.

    But overall we appear to have the FENZ board clinging to their position not only for political support of the government but some ideological process being run through the current board.

    Comment by Downunder — Sat 4th June 2022 @ 9:53 am

  26. “ … where they were told they had white privilege, were certain to show unconscious racism, sexism and microaggression”

    Feminism has always been an attack on make institutions. Sports, Boy Scouts, anything where girls weren’t allowed.

    Fire crews in spite of technology are still very blokie environments.

    I’m not so sure that this is the only thing going on here or whether there is something else along the lines of title over the land and buildings of these community assets.

    Either way I see a lot of good blokes getting their community spirit burnt because we’re not paying attention to their plight.

    There’s over 1000 staff stood down from their volunteer roles because they won’t comply with an outdated mandate requirement.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Sun 5th June 2022 @ 3:55 pm

  27. FENZ MANDATES GONE: as of 11.59 pm 7th July.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Thu 30th June 2022 @ 6:42 pm

  28. Firefighters got a win, regarding pay.
    It must be one of the highest ever, pay rises.

    I don’t think the problem, is not wanting the perk due to cost.
    It’s when everyone has EVs, and everyone wants charging.
    By saying you must provide it, you must have the infrastructure.
    The author set an expectation, an obligation on employers.
    In practice not everyone, will need to be charged.
    Most will have plenty of range, not actually needing charging.

    Will the job market decide, those with it more attractive.
    An argument about $5 a day, may be like other things.
    A staff kitchen and good coffee, or funding of social events.
    Maybe it just can’t be a compulsion, to have charging.
    Some jobs, not even with a worksite or with parking.

    If firefighters get it, who else must provide charging.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Thu 22nd December 2022 @ 11:11 am

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