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Filed under: General — Downunder @ 6:27 pm Tue 16th May 2023

I am going to take a guess that most if not all the dead from the Wellington hostel fire overnight will be male.

I noted also that the cause is being treated as suspicious.

The firefighter who led first crew into Loafers Lodge said his crew [is] struggling to deal with the aftermath. Clark Townsley told RNZ they were met with extremely challenging conditions as the fire pushed them back.

Wednesday 17th May

Link to RNZ story

Update regarding arrest during the week.


  1. And almost all, if not all male firemen too.

    Comment by Lukenz — Tue 16th May 2023 @ 8:33 pm

  2. The latest I have heard is that parts of the building are still to dangerous to enter because of a collapsed ceiling. However, your guess is likely correct.

    If there is any evidence the fire is “suspicious”, please provide a link.

    Comment by JohnPotter — Tue 16th May 2023 @ 9:17 pm

  3. @John Potter

    “The cause is being treated as suspicious” was in the first news report I read yesterday.

    That may have been seen as necessary under the circumstances rather than it actually being something other than not suspicious.

    Comment by Downunder — Wed 17th May 2023 @ 5:30 am

  4. NZ carries a burden, of tragedies and moments of madness.
    I don’t think it can be stopped, humans are involved.
    But is what we build today, 100% fire proof.
    See the building was innocent, it wasn’t made human proof.

    The building of tomorrow, will be autonomous.
    Keeping an eye on everything, for moments like this.
    Dispatching the robot cleaner, opening windows for fresh air.
    Sensing and recording, alerting fire and emergency when needed.
    Waking the residents, with alerts and instructions.
    The heart attack victim saved, even DV events solvable.
    Burglary pointless, as your always caught.
    Not a single moment of your life, will be private.

    Since there’s an arrest, we know the cause.
    One citizen after another citizen, causing death.
    Causing accidents, or just plain murder.

    I think we are going to test, manslaughter vs murder.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Thu 18th May 2023 @ 11:36 pm

  5. @4 Manslaughter v Murder?

    That’s not my understanding of Criminal Law.

    Acting Wellington District Commander Inspector Dion Bennett confirmed in a statement he is confident police are not seeking anyone else in relation to the fire.

    Police revealed they had been treating the deadly blaze as a homicide yesterday after the fire ripped through the building overnight Tuesday, May 16.

    At least six people are confirmed dead and “less than 20″ remain unaccounted for, according to police.

    Earlier today, police recovered two bodies, and said the rest of the bodies would be recovered on Friday.

    Comment by Downunder — Fri 19th May 2023 @ 4:54 am

  6. The defendant has a right, to present a defence.
    It may argue, there was no intent to kill.
    There was a motive, different than our assuming things.
    So we must be patient, letting law do it’s thing.
    Many cases that look like murder, get manslaughter convictions.

    Can we be impartial, if we are outraged by events.

    Or there is a guilty plea, going for a lesser sentence.
    We get a confession, the best of outcomes.
    The sentence inherently harsh, due to the many victims.
    There was intent to kill, there was a motive to the act.

    It may be very hard to argue, for the defendant.
    But in these cases, it’s the important job.
    If finding out the truth, is what we want.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Fri 19th May 2023 @ 11:17 am

  7. That’s already been dealt with in NZ.

    You can’t argue lack of intent in the face of obvious outcomes.

    You’re just waffling rubbish.

    Comment by Downunder — Fri 19th May 2023 @ 5:28 pm

  8. You can get manslaughter, from what looks like murder.
    Man stabbed in the chest, even while sleeping by female partner.
    Somehow even obvious intent to kill, can be manslaughter.
    Was lighting the fire, any different to plunging the knife.

    He looks guilty of murder, but I’m guessing he’s not actually sane.
    Thinking must be very flawed, to do what he did.
    The police may ask, for an unlimited sentence.
    Only when absolutely safe, can he be released.

    At his age the minimum, may be an until death sentence.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Sat 20th May 2023 @ 12:31 pm

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