Ex Senior Police Officer Exposes Domestic Violence Order Racket
A system which gives women the right to make allegations of violence with absolutely no evidence which is then used to destroy men’s lives.
I agree with the importance of protecting women from violent men. However without notice orders has become is now corrupting our judicial system every week.
Bettina Arndt hears from people who are outraged what’s happening here. It includes from the police force who are required to enforce laws they know are grossly unfair by fabricated stories which place offices who are then required to take as factual evidenced to remove men from their homes and denied in contact with their children.
Your stories please.
It seems incredible that “the system” has not woken up to the fact that access to children provides clear motivation for some women to fabricate domestic abuse stories, and that the same “system” provides the means.
Comment by Joe — Tue 8th September 2020 @ 12:27 pm
I agree with the occurrence of this “racket”. Unsubstantiated evidence is also used by OT or CYFS workers
Comment by andrew — Tue 8th September 2020 @ 12:47 pm
All forms of violence are not longer acceptable in a just and fair society.
Institutionalised violence like war, persecution with laws that are blatantly false, are issues that we still have to come to terms with. I am referring here to sexuality which is part of Gods creation.Right throughout history many men have been persecuted for unconventional sex as seen by the masses, not for non-consensuality which should have been the basis of the law, not on sexuality itself. There is a large concentration camp in the USA for the so called “sex-offenders” who are convicted with laws that criminalise the sex act itself, not the non-consensuality. These people are in for life! This is a form of violence.
Sending young men of 18 years old out to go and force them to kill other people in legal wars is a gross act of violence. Etc etc.
Comment by Gerald Moonen — Tue 8th September 2020 @ 12:55 pm
I continue to be prosecuted for breaches of a protection order almost 3 years after separation, once again needing to go before a jury in a couple of weeks to prove my innocence.
My ex-partner has laid dozens of complaints with the police and I have spent many nights in jail waiting for bail. All charges to date have not stuck – discharged without conviction, time and time again.
She requires no evidence, just makes a call and the police will come and lock me up.
It’s costing a fortune to continually defend myself against constant false claims and I’m sure my ex-partners only intent is to see me in jail, loose my house or kill myself, two of which are not out of the question.
It would appear this will be my future for the unforeseeable future.
Comment by cam — Tue 8th September 2020 @ 1:19 pm
I hear you Cam,
I spent dozens of occasions in watch houses and NIL were upheld. It’s all about the disruption and financial hit they can inflict, add to that the mileage that they can then quote in custody matters.
Once I spent 10 days in Napier, not allowed to leave to go back home, having to doss in a hostel waiting for a cuircut judge, who threw it out in minutes. Nil compensation.
Actually the 24yo policeman was as much to blame when he took a dislike to me attempting to put my case and tell him the actual wording/law!! He vowed to screw me over.
I was Sooo close to going to jail severaL times – all in the pursuit of wanting to remain in contact with my two daughters. Long story short, it took all my funds and nearly jail to see then twice/yr, when girls got to 12 ish I lost contact, then girls both left mothers home acromoniously, I had to wait till they were 18-19 to reconnect (my eldest was so gunshy she had to have a minder on our first meeting) NOW, both girls live near me in Aust and detest thier mother for her actions.
Another point. It’s easier for police to cuff n stuff and let courts make the decision of who is in the wrong, rather than investigating and making a call on obvious false claims (Thanks Helen Clarke – NOT)
Here’s a thought for a Forum thread;
Would you (any male that has been through the Family caught system) advise a first time father seeking custody, to
A) Fight for custody – with the real possible outcome of financial ruin and or jail?
Or
B) Save your time, effort, money, sanity, liberty – Send them letters and messages, but wait till your children are old enough to make their own decisions and be able to enjoy their 20’s-50’s as sane adults??
Power to ya Cam.
Comment by Rocky — Thu 10th September 2020 @ 12:48 am
I am going through this right now. My ex-wife took out a protection order on me. However, alot of the psycological violence were things i had experienced from her. For fear of losing my kids and home i did nothing. The TPO was granted without notice and serve to me. However. I have not been violent. I have no record of ever being so. I also questioned the police as to why they did not come to speak to me when she made her complaints – in my absence. For every one of her reports, i note, the police cannot produce records of talking to me. The Court has simply granted her whatever she asked for without checking anything. I am now having to comply with the whims of her lawyers. And by complying i am also accepting what she has accused me of – not by choice. But by force. I have not had contact with my children in 9 weeks. My lawyer has advised there is little i can do but to comply. This is very distressful. How can the law be so unfair? Am i not also entitled to justice? If i had a record of any kind, i could understand the inclination to grant the TPO without notice. However, i do not. Where was the investigation? Why did the police let me down by not talking to me. There is a clear lack of duty here and a bias. You cant paint every man with the same dirty brush. I just dont know what to do. I miss my children. I am not coping. No amount of counselling is helping. I simply didnt do what i was accused of. I cannot make peace with it.
Comment by J — Thu 10th September 2020 @ 11:48 am
J. Stories like yours are all to common.
If it was without notice to didn’t even attend the hearing and you were found guilty on the balance of probability.
Sentenced to do a living without violence course.
Have you booked in the the living without violence course? There are penalties if you don’t. 6 months prison and or a $5,000 fine.
Seems bizarre in a country like New Zealand.
Comment by Lukenz — Thu 10th September 2020 @ 5:41 pm
I am quite concern if the NZ Family Court practices are leading to male suicide.
Is anyone prepared to write to;
The minister of Health and the minister of Justice. To get some sort of indication if they are aware of any male suicide figures if any. And if they can detail the practices of the family court to verify allegations before an order is made to attend a living without violence course.
I am also concerned if there are children causing themselves self harm or suicide themselves because they lost their dad or didn’t have a dad later in life.
Comment by Lukenz — Thu 10th September 2020 @ 6:35 pm
Hi Lukenz
Yes, I am complying. However, I have also been for counselling and was told after 10 sessions that my issue was external to me, and that they cannot treat another person through me. I was also told I don’t have anger issues, because I did ask about that. I wanted to make sure I didn’t leave anything unturned. The relationship was going down the toilet and my children were suffering due to the constant barrage of attacks my wife would administer at me. At times she would physically stop me from leaving taunting me to do something. I never did. I do not believe in any form of force.
So now, as I comply with these orders the court has placed on me. I cant help but feel that I am agreeing with what I’m accused of. I cant help knowing that my little girls are seeing me through the same eyes that the system has painted me with. I haven’t seen or held them in 9 weeks. I used to hug and kiss them every single day and talk to them 2 or 3 times a day every day. Even once we had separated. And now suddenly I’m a criminal. I cant deal with this. How can the law allow this to happen? How can they be the tool used to destroy my mental health?
Comment by J — Fri 11th September 2020 @ 9:59 am
Thank you LukeNZ for posting this article and video,, it feels like a great relief to hear an officer speak out about these crimes of justice… but re-ignites the anger and frustration!!,,, when he went on to say, (the police inspector), that “more Men are starting to complain” it made me really realise that this is the way, the same way it happened for Women in the early days, that you have to speak out in defence of yourself, it is all a man singly handed can do, of course apart from fighting the woman through the system, and doing that on your own…soul destroying….and J, there is help out there, do not be on your own on this.
Comment by mama — Sat 12th September 2020 @ 9:30 am
He is a retired Chief Inspector. Clearly an intelligent man with a whole careers worth of experience.
He was at the working end of it. Reluctantly arresting people he knew were being set up or innocent.
If he spoke up they would have ended his career. No job,no money no way to pay for his home and his family.
But now this CI is retried. They cant touch him but he still doesn’t want to revel himself.
Just think of the clams human rights claims me could make against the Government.
Ohh but wait a minute. If you go to
https://www.hrc.co.nz/
There is a section icon for woman but i couldn’t find the one for men.
I found this link
https://www.hrc.co.nz/your-rights/human-rights-legislation-new-zealand/
It says The Human Rights Act’s intention is to help ensure that all people in New Zealand are treated fairly and equally. The Act also sets out the role of the Human Rights Commission. Unlawful discrimination occurs when a person is treated unfairly or less favorably than another person in the same or similar circumstances.
Found this link too.
https://www.hrc.co.nz/our-work/women/past-projects/familyviolencepolicy/
Comment by Lukenz — Sat 12th September 2020 @ 4:30 pm
Is there anyone who has applied to have a Protection Order revoked?
This is the next step my lawyer and I will be taking due to abuse of a Protection Order or similar.
More money in the short term, but I can go though the rest of my life in the firing line.
I would like to hear anyone’s thoughts about this.
Is this a new thread that should be started?
Comment by cam — Tue 15th September 2020 @ 5:11 pm
Typo above sorry…
‘More money in the short term, but I CAN’T go though the rest of my life in the firing line.
Comment by cam — Tue 15th September 2020 @ 5:13 pm
@cam
I did apply for discharge of my PO on 3rd of September on my own , no lawyer . An estimated time for the application to reach the recipient 3 weeks since North Shore court has only one bailiff. As long as you admit your ” faults ” and don’t blame the woman you have reasonable chances to win The very first moment you point your finger at her , you are loosing .
Good luck
Comment by tony — Tue 15th September 2020 @ 7:44 pm
@14 Tony. How long was the PO in place for? Can you give an overview of what happened?
Comment by Lukenz — Tue 15th September 2020 @ 8:03 pm
@15 . Thank you Lukenz for showing an interest. The PO has been in place for 2.5 years so far . I am ashamed to give you an overview because It will re-traumatise me , really . I am sure I am not the only one who had to swallow his pride , basic intelligence and sense of justice and move on . But the point is still valid : In the Application for a discharge , you are loosing immediately if you even remotely mention blatant and continuous perjury , banal race and character stereotyping and Judge not following even the basic Law .
Hope it will be discharged as I move in a teaching career and the PO is the major obstacle of getting a proper teaching job .
Actually , The ministry of affairs member wrote to me a year or so ago explaining me realistically my situation for which I am really thankful.
Dear Lukenz , this situation will only get worse and it will never ever get better . Some Women are just useful but very motivated idiots in a much bigger game
Comment by tony — Thu 17th September 2020 @ 5:13 pm
This policy and law is being used to take men’s life’s long property, belongings and access to his children. It forces men into poverty but worse of all it is causing mental health.
Mental health is a more modern term Governments have coined to call suicide.
You see what happens is a man is left with nothing, in most cases not even a place to live. Usually he will have joint debt in his name.
He’s told by his lawyer if you fight this it could cost you $50,000 to $100,000. He can’t. The Government made sure he has no affordable avenues and no place to go. If he chooses legal aid the lawyers will just try and do a quick settlement and to hell with fighting for their client for that sum.
He hears his former partner has someone else in what use to be his bed. He pays for them to be in his house.
At best he is sleeping at a friend’s place or in his car parked in a reserve. His mind crippled for what has happened to him he can’t work anymore. Bills are piling up. Not used to asking for help he thinks of ways forward. Searches options to end his anguish and meaningless life. He chooses what he believes the least painful option to end himself.
He writes a letter to his children telling them why he could not cope with it anymore. Tells his kids that he loves them very much. Tells them to live good lives and to look after each other always.
He leaves the letter where it can be found by a trusted person to give to his children when they are old enough to understand.
That night he drives to a quiet place. Unsure how painful it might be he balances his future and compares it with no future at all.
He pulls out a noose he read how to tie from instruction on the internet. Looks for a tree branch that would support his weight. Climbs the tree. He ties the loose end to the branch he is sitting on. He puts the noose around his neck. He lets himself fall from the branch.
When the news reaches his former partner, she smiles. She tells the children. They cry. They get a week off school. The Government helps with counseling for a while.
In a few months his partner has the home transferred into her name.
Job done as it was intended to by New Zealand law.
Where to find help and support:
Need to Talk? – Call or text 1737
What’s Up – 0800 WHATS UP (0800 942 8787)
Lifeline – 0800 543 354 or (09) 5222 999 within Auckland
Youthline – 0800 376 633, text 234, email [email protected] or online chat
Samaritans – 0800 726 666
Depression Helpline – 0800 111 757
Suicide Crisis Helpline – 0508 828 865 (0508 TAUTOKO)
Shakti Community Council – 0800 742 584
Comment by Lukenz — Sat 19th September 2020 @ 5:22 pm
u were going so well Lukenz until u gave dads of legalised kidnapped children the ‘official’ ‘helpline’ contacts of the govt child trafficking ring. call me. i offer real help and support of ur free will (rights). unlike anyone i have ever met in 50yrs.
Comment by phil r [email protected] — Mon 21st September 2020 @ 2:33 pm
Well, after a 2 day trial by jury, I was fond not guilty.
I was not surprised but this is killing my parents.
Next step – discharge of the protection order before she can bite again.
Comment by cam — Wed 7th October 2020 @ 8:02 am
@ Cam #19.
How did you win?
Did you supply video, photos or documents?
Was if a family court?
How much did it cost?
Any tips for the others who might like to use.
Comment by Lukenz — Wed 7th October 2020 @ 5:54 pm
@ Lukenz
It was an open and shut breach of protection order case – everyone was wondering why they were there. I was a piece of shit case that was never going to stick but the crown decided to pursue it (it was one out of 8 that the police were original going to pursue – the other 7 were even more of a joke).
Criminal Court case.
I never took the stand, she dug her own hole.
I had an amazing (female) lawyer.
Never the less, a small fortune, a few wrinkles and a few tears later, I walk a free man – no emotion and no surprises.
We know when we’ve crossed the line – and we know when we haven’t.
Keep cool out there and you’ll be able to walk the line.
Comment by lostkiwi — Thu 5th November 2020 @ 12:12 pm
One of the barriers for men defending themselves is finding a good Lawyer who works for you rather than for the system. Perhaps we need to get a list started. @LostKiwi – sounds like you had a good one, can you share her details. I have found three good Lawyers:
Jane Connell from Connell & Connell
Warren Woodd from Boyle and Mathieson
Jeremy Sutton from Bastion Chambers
Financing is also a big problem but all of the above do legal services. However, if you can afford to pay your way you will get a better service.
Comment by MenToo — Thu 5th November 2020 @ 5:52 pm
@J – I haven’t seen my children for 4 months with a hearing date set for June 2021. The other parent arranged a visit with the children for me in mid August and used that as an opportunity to lay sexual assault allegations against my 77 year father. The Police did not lay any charges and thankfully the judge saw better than to grant a without notice TPO on my father. To lay further insult to injury, the other parents brother served my father’s 84 year old wife a trespass notice while my father was in hospital after trying to commit suicide due the stress.
Hang in there. You will face many actions of provocation and hostility for you to trip up. There is absolutely nothing we can do but go through the system and hope we come out the other side in one piece. This is easier said than done and I too have visited some very dark places in recent months. Ironically, the best support I have had has been from the non-violence programme (ManAlive). Their support and guidance has been amazing.
Comment by MenToo — Thu 5th November 2020 @ 6:13 pm
Yes, women can hurl false accusations but it has to be investigated and check regarding the veracity of such accusations.
Comment by earlbennett1516 — Tue 29th December 2020 @ 4:01 am