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– Dad is separated from his children.
– Mother takes children to Australia, knowing dad can’t visit.
– Dad asks for mental health support in person. He is turned away.
– Dad ends his own life that same day.
Link – In 2006 NZ Judge attacks Family Court laws. 16 Years later, nothing has changed
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The second link you have should read 2004.
It was a telephone interview, as I walked out of lunch bar one morning. I was given a one line statement from Dogue to respond to.
Possibly at Dogue’s suggestion as I had been prompted to take the 16B issue to parliament by a family court Judge in my own case back in the late 90s.
That’s how the fight started.
Comment by Bevan Berg — Mon 20th June 2022 @ 6:27 am
That 2004 date is significant!
A lot happened around that time.
Patrick Mahoney had done everything he could to make the family court look good and got his little decoration for obstructing any changes that Clark and Wilson et al didn’t want.
https://m.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0404/S00005/image-judge-mahoney-receives-honour.htm
– [ ] Peter Dunne who promised everything but delivered nothing but this lemon … (How he became known as DunneNothing)
“The Families Commission was established under the Families Commission Act 2003 and commenced operations on 1 July 2004. Under the Crown Entities Act 2004, the Commission is designated as an autonomous Crown entity.”
(Which doesn’t exist anymore as it did nothing)
It was about that time that Dogue was out to be the first female Principal Family Court Judge and was contesting the position with Peter Boshier not that Dogue’s appointment would have made any significant difference (possibly in relation to children) but given her participation in a global child-support network system one has to question what her sudden inspiration was.
It was a point at which changes could have occurred. It’s like a cabinet reshuffle giving the pretence things might get better but you need to give it a chance – it was essentially the end of that political era which perhaps shouldn’t have ended there but did essentially by legal and political collusion against activism.
If you follow what has been posted on menz in relation to suicide inquiries it’s clear that there is a direct correlation and no real determination to interrupt those processes leading to detrimental outcomes but rather a political preference for beneficial outcomes for women as opposed to men or children.
Comment by Evan Myers — Mon 20th June 2022 @ 8:51 am
I read another one, recently.
He committed suicide, not in a relationship.
And some girl, was pregnant to him.
They tried to blame, a completely unrelated cause.
Totally ignoring, a known cause of male suicide.
Nothing has changed, since 2004.
They new teenagers, were killing themselves then.
But continued, think it was acceptable.
And the can still murder, our boys.
They certainly don’t care about men, if killing boys is good.
The logic was, there must be a solution.
And equality, would ruin the money scams.
They decided, to only support mothers.
“He acknowledged that the law might deprive some children of a close relationship with a parent but said he could see no middle course.”
He answered the question, with “middle”.
Comment by DJ Ward — Mon 20th June 2022 @ 4:36 pm
Actually in 2004, I needed help.
After a family court, case.
I wasn’t coping at all, and was suicidal.
I also went to get help, but got none.
I am very lucky, as when I got home.
There was, no solution.
In hard times I can go there, as it was harder.
They didn’t notice, what they made.
I have something, I can’t forgive them for.
Comment by DJ Ward — Mon 20th June 2022 @ 4:49 pm
@1 My bad re 2006 year. I suppose it is now 18 Years later, nothing has changed.
The real issue is men, fathers and their beloved children now separated because some bitch on her own accord decided to sever that special bond, relationship between father and child. She did this by going to a country he could not. Usually done for income, property. In this situation, done for income and spite.
Nothing more than malice vicious malevolence towards the father child relationship. Often described as protecting the child from violence. But who here is creating the violence?
This woman is a bitch.
I am not going to use the term mother because mothers care about their relationship fathers have with their children and this woman did not.
There is no way this father could have had a normalised relationship with his children if he could not be with them.
The women and her children should have been ordered back to NZ.
So now we have someone that caused the death of another human for lifestyle and money, children that have no biological father, and there is no penalty for that.
She did not use a gun, knife or other physical weapon. She used severe and ongoing psychological abuse towards the father as well as the children.
The coroner’s report might say he had mental health issues. This is true, but who was the creator of that? The penalty is reward and not punishment.
Comment by Lukenz — Wed 22nd June 2022 @ 3:54 am
I’m a little hesitant to jump to conclusions too quickly.
I’m not disputing the history of child abduction we have in this country or as you point out Luke the psychological terrorism that is often experienced in these situations.
Not all these 501 deportees are violent gang members and drug dealers. Some are no more paper criminals than some of our current MPs, but I suspect that is the public perception, and that you wouldn’t go near them.
I gather ‘they’ came here as a family because he was deported but that aside, I suspect trying to resettle here under those circumstances would be something worse than refugee status.
I’m not sure that a Coroner’s report would uncover all the details. The Coroner can call family as witnesses and I believe family can ask to be heard but whether that happens with this being between two countries is hard to say.
Then there’s the political construct between two countries where one would say, you shouldn’t have sent that 501, and the other would say, you should have provided more help.
With issues like going to school. The children would likely be terrorised by their peers. That already happens in New Zealand without having a 501 for a father.
There will be people saying, he was just a piece of shit, who cares, but those children are left with the consequences and it’s one where I’ve met people in their 30s and 40s who still struggle with the consequences – their father committed suicide – it has a life long affect on them.
How many people would not admit to the role they might have played in that, or even a fear of dealing with a known but unknown quantity that may have influenced their decision making at a time when the deceased was simply a vulnerable human being in an isolated circumstance.
When it comes to men’s issues I’d have to ask which is more important?
Crucifying her or finding out what actually happened to the deceased?
The way the Coroner’s Court works these days is not only on Turtle Mode but as we have seen will also take a subjective view of women’s involvement in any death.
Comment by Evan Myers — Wed 22nd June 2022 @ 8:33 am
A person who’s suicidal, should have a main cause.
As it should be one subject, that effects them.
But many things, can take place in life.
Child support, may not be the subject itself.
It may be a work issue, with job loss.
A health issue, or being prosecuted.
So it becomes, did child support make things worse.
Obviously it does, as it’s a well known problem.
But the post, claims it was not seeing his children.
He faced maximum payments, and no contact.
And no way, he could afford court costs.
Or think, a judge would help him.
Obviously those issues, will be ignored.
The safe subject, of mental health services will be blamed.
Gratuitous Child Support, will not get a mention.
Just another male suicide, when a relationship ends.
Comment by DJ Ward — Wed 22nd June 2022 @ 6:51 pm
It’s pretty obvious, who’s at fault.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/128978255/abandonment-after-despair-how-the-family-court-process-is-estranging-children-from-parents
It’s just case after case, of women abusing men.
Using the system, that only serves them.
And a court, that lets it happen.
As long as they get the big dollars, in legal fees.
Thousands abandon there children, and they think it’s ok.
The suicide note, is just one of hundreds.
Comment by DJ Ward — Sat 25th June 2022 @ 8:24 am
https://menz.org.nz/News%20archive/29may.htm
A link to the past, 20 years ago.
The North and South Article: Court of Injustice
Investigative Journalist Lauren Quaintance, left the country, even now she won’t talk about what happened.
Lawyer, Rob Brennan, was white as ghost when he told me he’d been threatened with dismissal from his legal partnership, if he didn’t withdraw from any participation in UOF.
North and South was sued (The action most likely led by Patrick Mahoney) and they wouldn’t publish any further articles, wouldn’t give any details of their out of court settlement, other than to acknowledge they paid more than 50k.
I’m still here: Box on. Never give up.
Comment by Downunder — Sat 25th June 2022 @ 10:23 am
#8, DJ,,,, In the article, former court Judge Clarkson and her husband in one of their papers chose to use the term ‘post separation parental rejection”,, in my e_perience the rejection did come but comes much after, after much coercion and confusion,… at the beginning, the start, the kid wants normality, after a while it becomes too hard for everyone and now we’re really in trouble.
Comment by mama — Sat 25th June 2022 @ 8:21 pm
I don’t blame “Parental Rejection” entirely on the family court; that can be at the hands of school counsellors that parents are oblivious to, or the initial alienation of a parent which can start happening even before separation or family court involvement.
Feminist processes already in existence may only become obvious when the court becomes involved.
That’s not a defence of the court but a recognition of the courts acceptance of the social effects of feminism and their reluctance to defend the child at the expense of their own business.
Comment by Downunder — Sun 26th June 2022 @ 8:37 am
Note the list of helping agencies provided at the end of the article about Mr Taylor the man who committed suicide. It starts with two of NZ’s leading male-hating organizations and includes a third one later down the list! Incredible but there it is.
While there is no doubt that our Courts are much too ready to wreck children’s relationships with fathers and to allow mothers to use physical distance towards the same end, it’s easy to make assumptions about this case. In particular, Mr Taylor did not necessarily ask for mental health help. He turned up intoxicated on something at the hospital, probably the Emergency Department, who will have contacted the mental health team to assess him. We don’t know how he presented; if drunk or high he may well have been behaving aggressively and/or wanting some unrealistic outcome. If a person presents to a mental health service truly seeking help, appearing psychotic or seriously depressed and/or showing high suicide risk, then the service is likely to provide care even if there is substance intoxication. Unfortunately, such diagnosis is often difficult or impossible when intoxication distorts behaviour and communication. Mental health workers can’t read minds whether intoxicated or not, and can only act on the information available to them. Neither an ED ward nor a mental health ward can function as an overnight convenience for drunkards and junkies. Medical and mental health wards cannot allow drunk and disorderly people in to wreak havoc on the care and sleep of other sick patients.
Police perhaps could have been called to accommodate Mr Taylor in a cell overnight, but there may well have been insufficient evidence of risk to himself or others and moreover the hospital services might then be accused of discouraging people from seeking help by subjecting them to unnecessary police intervention.
Also, it was possible that Mr Taylor had longstanding substance abuse and/or aggression problems that truly did make him a menace to his partner and children and that he had declined to address through programs offered to him. A father might be justified in taking children far away from a violent, unpredictable, methamphetamine-addicted mother.
Comment by Ministry of Men's Affairs — Fri 1st July 2022 @ 10:16 am
I don’t think it’s about him, being the best partner or father.
His criminal record, a strong indication of him having problems.
So for cause we have the subject, that made the suicidal thoughts.
And societies result, as he presented himself as needing help.
Intoxication itself is a symptom, of self medication.
In some ways it adds to proof, that they are suicidal.
And all that’s needed, is a place to sleep it off.
And mental health, may not even be the problem.
A councillor or mentor, may be a far better option.
The patient knowing, a crisis team will visit them at home.
Because of psychiatrists are rare, they are not the solution.
The cause must be addressed, as a solution.
Otherwise the symptoms, will continue.
Comment by DJ Ward — Fri 1st July 2022 @ 11:34 am
#13. A magic wand might help.
Comment by Ministry of Men's Affairs — Fri 1st July 2022 @ 11:50 am