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The Men of Middle Earth

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 12:27 pm Mon 29th September 2014

Affectionately named Middle Earth after our involvement in The Lord of the Rings production, one can’t help thinking, that to the rest of the world New Zealand might look like the scene of one of Tolkien’s legendary battles, following our recent and ugly parliamentary election; just how you would characterise the Labour Party after their tragic loss, I will leave to the imagination of the reader.

But what of the men of middle earth – where has that left us?

That discussion started in the post, The Killing Power of Feminism, and drew the conclusion;

No, this time we are fighting for ourselves. Women have abandoned us for what they think is a better offer. They’ve got the political representation that we haven’t.

When you look back through the last century, in the first decade or so working men fought for and won some relativity in the economy, and eventually settled on political representation through the Labour Party. There were two world wars, first between 1914 – 1918, and with barely enough time for recovery in between a second from 1939 – 1945.

It would take a further generation to recover but again we were dragged into another conflict, the Vietnam War.

More than 3000 personnel were involved between 1963 and 1975 (peaking with 548). Thirty-seven men died in active service and 187 were wounded.

But there would be a higher price rather than our direct involvement; two legacies, one a group of men poisoned for life by the use of Agent Orange, and a platform against which the Red Fems would backdrop their political evolution.

Since the 1970s men have seen a rapid and continuing erosion of their property and reproductive rights, through to the present day – much of what has happened over the last decade or so is recorded in many forms here, courtesy of the dedication and generosity of the site’s owner.

In arriving at this point in time other intrinsic developments have been the political de-representation of men and the decline of the unions. Two large subjects better left to individual debates, but largely brought about through the success of middle New Zealand. The post war development and reasonably secure economy gave the majority a stable foundation on which to build families, and lives.

That was life as we knew it, and whilst men were living with the perception of the security from that which had previously been collectively won, they weren’t ready for women and the system to collaborate and round on them individually. Those men were unprepared, easily isolated, stripped bare, and rejected by mainstream society as being at fault. It’s amazing what people can get away with in the big city.

This election saw the feminists come out of the shadows for a shot at ownership of parliament. It didn’t work. It came at a cost. The electorate voted the Labour Party to its worst defeat in the last century, and now Labour’s a Massive Mess

That’s simply not a functional political party that fits into our current political system or the national psyche.

The unions no longer represent the large number of working men that they used to. Our largest union, the PSA is heading towards 80% female membership, and collectively even the male dominated unions make up only a small portion of the workforce.

The Australian Labor Party is proposing to dump union involvement, and become an elitist party, and similar calls are being made here, in the post mortem and debate on the future of the Labour Party.

With the development of technology a smaller group of men are in vulnerable employment positions, and not often exposed to the previous vocational risks and exploitation of the past, although forestry has been a watchable exception.

Men may have got the vote before women, a whole 14 years earlier, but a century later we’re in a decidedly worse position – should we have even asked for the vote?

Richard Seddon, Premier at the time of the women’s vote, was strongly against (and voted against) women voting. It would be interesting to hear his thoughts on the matter now.

So, following years of battling feminism and taking into account the current situation, where does that leave men and our sons in this new age of Middle Earth?

Socially isolated?
Politically disconnected?
Too individual?
Legally disadvantaged?
Undermined by policy?

Perhaps in the grand scheme of things, we are heading back to the same place, where we recognise that we have only one thing in common – Fatherhood.

While the Labour Party is suffering the throes of political death, do men need to reassess their political presence in New Zealand?

It is time for a new conversation, a new Masculine Declaration of Independence.


  1. The driving force behind or plight is the blatant bigotry of our government as a complete entity.
    There is no ministry of men’s affairs.
    The other entities like children’s commission etc. They clearly don’t have the social intellect to help. Imagine the embarrassment when they find out hundreds of thousands new born babies over the decades that proceed us, have had a crime committed against them. IE Falsifying a legal document (birth certificate). Plus many other horrible things like extortion with the same document.
    Poor politicians.

    They have to sleep at night with no integrity.

    Must be the power of the ring (the feminist membership one)

    Comment by The man in Absentia — Wed 1st October 2014 @ 4:24 pm

  2. It must be precious to them.
    One must be able to make the ministry of men’s affairs invisible.
    Like its walking alone in another plane of existence.
    Maybe they just need to be slapped in the face, and told to wake up.

    Comment by The man in Absentia — Wed 1st October 2014 @ 4:46 pm

  3. What do they think men are, the monsters.
    Or are they the ones that sacrificed everything for their home.
    To live at peace.

    When men stood at the precipice of the trench, after the first wave were already shot down, who got up and became the second wave, and the third.

    Men fought for freedom, and died for it. Knowingly.

    OH! The power of the ring.

    We must get rid of it.

    Comment by The man in Absentia — Wed 1st October 2014 @ 5:01 pm

  4. Men fought for ‘freedom’ as told to them by the politicians and women who pushed them into the bullets, and the pollutitions and women happily stabbed the remaining men and fathers and children in the back while they profited from men’s selfless sacrifice for them.

    Have any women organised any marches in support of fathers and against the child and father’s human rights abusing ‘protection’ Order?

    Comment by Phil Watts — Mon 6th October 2014 @ 7:31 am

  5. Yes, Muriel Newman did, but that was back about – 15 years ago.

    You can contact her at if you want to talk to her about it.

    Comment by Downunder — Mon 6th October 2014 @ 11:18 am

  6. I don’t consider the recent suicide at Parliament an irrational act, but that of an intelligent and determined man who was well read.

    To place his death alongside the statue of Richard Seddon would escape many ordinary decent people.

    Seddon appeared to have no clear political philosophy, yet he succeeded as a politician by his approach to the ordinary man, and had a willingness to interfere with private business to ensure the general welfare of the good keen man.

    Comment by Downunder — Wed 11th October 2017 @ 2:53 pm

  7. I forgot to mention yesterday, ‘happy International girls day” to all of your daughters and neices.

    It’s an initiative from the bringers of gender equality, the united nations.

    International boys day? No there’s not enough days in the year for that, sorry.

    Comment by voices back from the bush — Thu 12th October 2017 @ 8:36 am

  8. I don’t have an issue with the United Nations as such, it played the same role in World War Two as did the League of Nations in World War One.

    The ‘Invasion of Feminism’ has been damaging or destructive to many institutions – the United Nations has been a significant target and is no exception.

    There must have been high hopes for Ms Clark to cut the cloth as its leader, but really she had a snowball’s chance in hell of that and you have to take some comfort from her unceremonious rejection.

    @7 thanks for that observation, it’s a wonderful illustration of the Feminist hatred of men, rather than a woman’s love for her children.

    Comment by Downunder — Thu 12th October 2017 @ 9:38 am

  9. voices @7. We agree that the UN has become an agency for female special privilege and superior rights. The World Health Organisation is a UN body that conducted biased research on domestic violence, bothering to ask only women about their experience of men’s violence and completely failing to be interested in the victimization of men or violence by women. The research methods were of poor scientific quality, designed to allow whatever interpretation was needed to confirm the predetermined conclusions. Unfortunately, the research design has now been copied by feminist groups in numerous countries and has been the basis of huge propaganda.

    Comment by Ministry of Men's Affairs — Sat 14th October 2017 @ 8:08 pm

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