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New Child Tax assaults in New Zealand

Filed under: Child Support,General — Downunder @ 9:32 am Mon 18th January 2016

Just in case you weren’t aware, now that the new child support legislation is in place, IRD has launched a new assault on all those deadbeat dads with massive penalty accounts.

IRD were brazen enough to publish their intention when they went into Australia in 2013, under a new agreement to operate in the Australian jurisdiction – media here.

It didn’t take long for their handy-work to come to light via the Australian media when Paul Jenkins committed suicide from some irresponsible employee’s harassment.
They’ve been quiet this time – there’s been no mainstream media about this, but we are starting to see signs of their activity arriving here on Menz.

It doesn’t surprise us that the former Revenue Minister Todd McClay did a runner just beforehand, no doubt he could see a bad moon rising. It’s been left to Paul Goldsmith to weather this storm once the death and destruction becomes visible, but of course some people will be working damn hard to cover this up.

We don’t won’t to see another repeat of the Ashburton WINZ shooting because some unfortunate person takes their frustration out on the front line staff and turns another WINZ office into a warzone over a benefit assignment to the IRD. Innocent people don’t deserve to die because of other people’s madness and irresponsibility. That’s the way we generally look at these things in New Zealand – why some obvious exceptions?

When I see media reports about men in unusual circumstances, as we do in this post, then I start asking the question, what’s tipping these people over the edge?

We only have to look back at the debate on the current legislation going through parliament to see that politicians didn’t do their job, and have infested the country with another legislative mess.

If you’re currently being harassed by IRD child support over historic penalties either in New Zealand or in an overseas jurisdiction update us in the comments, below.


  1. Hi there, slightly off topic but related (IRD).

    I’ve recently found I’m not the father of a child I’ve been paying CS to for the last 15 years. IRD have said all liabilities (including penalties) will be refunded.

    My problem is that this isn’t inflation adjusted or include market rate interest as I have been loaning IRD $$ via a fraudulent situation.

    Question. Has this ever been challenged?

    Also, on a side note. I was involved in a nasty battle for access for years and was forced to do a year of supervised access etc. In short this ruined my life, made me fail at university and caused me to have a huge student loan as a result of early failing due to stress of all this.

    Has anyone taken the mother to court for damages? Any successful examples?


    Comment by noname — Mon 18th January 2016 @ 10:11 am

  2. Gosh, that’s an interesting situation.

    See on the right hand menu, there is a link to ‘author’ for a post.

    We really need a post on this one.

    Comment by Downunder — Mon 18th January 2016 @ 10:15 am

  3. I’ve been travelling around NZ for the last few weeks, and noticed that every WINZ office in every little town now seems to have a security guard standing outside.

    Comment by JohnPotter — Mon 18th January 2016 @ 11:20 am

  4. Hiya John, some WINZ offices have 2 or 3 security guards.

    Hope you’re enjoying your travel (sure you will be) and Happy New Year. 🙂

    Comment by julie — Mon 18th January 2016 @ 12:49 pm

  5. I would expect there would be at least three per office.

    That would leave one inside and one outside when one is on break.

    You can’t just have one guy standing outside all day – even if he is the only man in the place.

    Comment by Downunder — Mon 18th January 2016 @ 1:25 pm

  6. Surely FEMALE security guards would be more appropriate. Great burly amazons, in blue serge uniforms, steel capped safety boots, with a billy club swinging beside their belt. Male guards are part of the patriachy and might sympathize with these dead-beat dads.

    Comment by John Brett — Mon 18th January 2016 @ 2:11 pm

  7. Yeah, men shouldn’t get jobs at all, we need total positive discrimination in favour of the much better gender.

    Comment by Man X Norton — Mon 18th January 2016 @ 7:49 pm

  8. Locally (Wanganui there are2 at the front door (One outside, one inside, plus seriously locked to other organisations on the ground floor. On Level one there is another at the head of the stairs I cant see gown to the main area, I turn right to the Seniors area and that’s me through the screen! Must be costing somebody a mint to maintain it! Wanganui is a small town!

    Comment by Alastair — Mon 18th January 2016 @ 8:17 pm

  9. Great to see #1, #5, #6, #7 and #8 🙂
    Happy New Year to you gentlemen too. 🙂 And best wishes for 2016.

    Comment by julie — Tue 19th January 2016 @ 1:14 am

  10. Was jailed for alleged Child Support debt last time I visited New Zealand. Had my passport taken by Police. After several court hearings over the period of about a month I was allowed to return home. No discussion if the debt allegations by CS are justified or not. By my calculations CS actually owe me money but of course they refuse to collect it. This was actually all decided by a court hearing in 2007 which they seem to deny even happened! My alleged debt is over $200,000 and is straight fraud by all those involved.
    Have been to NZ once in 8 years not sure if I will ever go back.
    Isn`t life great!

    Comment by michaelqtodd — Tue 19th January 2016 @ 3:46 pm

  11. New Zealand citizen held without charge in Australian jail?

    So Allan Harvey … why would Australia be locking up New Zealand citizens without charge.

    Ko Haapu was a bodyguard for Prime Minister John Key in Afghanistan in 2010.

    He has been detained in Perth since October and faces deportation because he is a member of a bikie gang, despite having no criminal record.

    His partner Teresa Mariner told Checkpoint with John Campbell he was locked in his cell nearly all day.

    “He gets let out for his meals and to have a shower and then he’s locked back in his cell for the rest of the day,” Ms Mariner said.

    She said being locked up in the maximum security prison without charge was affecting his mental state.

    “He’s really really angry,” she said. “He’s let down, he’s upset, he’s confused.”

    Comment by Downunder — Tue 19th January 2016 @ 5:18 pm

  12. Hi Downunder,
    I have no idea. I understood this chap was rounded up because of some “gang association” and revocation of his immigration status. The news I read said Aussie found questions about his character because he like motorcycles and then decided to cancel his visa.
    In my speculation I assumed that some bored Aussie immigration officer was jealous of someone enjoying motorbike riding. They decided maybe if we send him back to his good mate John Key in NZ perhaps his bike will be sold to them cheap.
    Are you suggesting Downunder there is some Child Support issues in this case?

    Comment by Allan Harvey — Tue 19th January 2016 @ 11:42 pm

  13. Are you suggesting Downunder there is some Child Support issues in this case?

    No. I understand in this particular case the man is being held under the new good character immigration rules, but there seems to be a lack of political will to uphold the citizenship of New Zealand men in Australia.

    This is starting to sound like the stuff ‘Slow Hand Luke’ was made of.

    I’m also surprised at the deadly silence from Veteran’s Affairs, he’s an Afghanistan Vet.

    I don’t know if he is in fact a father, but if it was a child support issue, and this man had been stopped at the border under the new child support initiative, would he be treated any different?

    Comment by Downunder — Wed 20th January 2016 @ 7:38 am

  14. You can be sure the Australians will apply the ‘good character’ criteria very differently for men vs women.

    Comment by Man X Norton — Wed 20th January 2016 @ 12:35 pm

  15. We shouldn’t be surprised at reports of a spike in suicides and attempted suicides in the Christchurch region.

    Five years on from 2011 earthquake and still struggling to recover, some people are hit by IRD trying to draw down on its child support penalty account, what else would you expect?

    Comment by Downunder — Fri 22nd January 2016 @ 6:18 am

  16. A middle aged man was found dead in the Maitai River, Nelson, this morning, a short distance from the Halifax St, foot bridge.

    There are no suspicious circumstances.

    Comment by Downunder — Sat 23rd January 2016 @ 11:20 am

  17. A 50-year-old man has been charged after allegedly making gun threats at a Christchurch Work and Income centre today.

    The alleged incident happened just before midday at the Linwood Community Link centre on Aldwins Rd, Linwood.


    Comment by Downunder — Fri 5th February 2016 @ 6:23 pm

  18. Not sure how to start new threads so, can someone start one for this its a death of mother and 2 year old because of child support.

    Comment by too tired — Sun 7th February 2016 @ 1:32 am

  19. See the contribute section at the top of the right hand menu.

    Comment by Downunder — Sun 7th February 2016 @ 6:56 am

  20. Does anyone have information or experience with the new child support qualifying age.
    For example, my Son turned 18 in December and the new changes say that my liability should stop on 31 march this year if he is not attending school. My son has not been attending any school for well over a year and i rang the school a couple of days ago and they confirmed he has not been attending.

    Problem is his mother enrolled him for this year (obviously so she could continue to get CS assessment from me) so the IRD have taken this and said i am still liable for him, which cancels out anything i should get in the way of CS for our daughters needs.

    Is there anyone out there having the same issue or can help with any advice about how to go about setting things straight in this situation?

    Just a little backround …..
    I have my 11 yr old daughter living with me for 1.5yrs now, the mother has not financially supported her at all the whole time she has been with me, My wife helps to pay for my girl with school and childcare etc but i have paid through the teeth and lost everything i have to my ex, she took my house and all possessions and my income still went to her, i kept paying all the bills on top of my CS because my kids come first, i supported my kids no matter what. but now i need the CS for My daughter who is with me now and the mother is weaseling out of it.
    Does anyone know how do i get IRD to set things straight.

    Comment by Dezmo — Wed 17th February 2016 @ 7:44 pm

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