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Suicide Rate May Be Three Times Greater Than Recorded

Filed under: General — Ministry of Men's Affairs @ 5:11 pm Sun 29th May 2016

According to this article in the NZ Herald, coroners only rule suicide when it’s very clear the person intended to take ‘their’ own life. Otherwise, deaths are classified in a different category such as ‘accident’, or the cause will go down as undetermined, an ‘open verdict’.

Of course, the Herald’s article failed completely to mention the gender aspect of suicides or what three times the rate would mean for already huge male suicide rates. This is the same newspaper that recently published a series of articles on domestic violence as if such violence almost exclusively happens to women by men (when in fact non-partner domestic violence happens much more to men and when all domestic violence is included men suffer about 45% of it and women 55%). So when it comes to domestic violence that marginally affects women more than men, the Herald specifically quotes female victim statistics and treats the issue as mainly a problem affecting women, whereas for suicide that overwhelmingly affects men, no mention of gender is considered important. Typical feminist sexism and duplicity.


  1. Typical feminist sexism and duplicity. So very true but then the editorial staff of that paper are in bed with the feminist clowns who control police, justice, MSD, Corrections and Education which is why NZ has one of the highest rates of incarceration and poorest education system in the western world not to mention poverty which causes most of those problems.

    Comment by JONO — Sun 29th May 2016 @ 5:46 pm

  2. The nz herald is no more than a rag. I’ve seen no professional journalism in there for quite a while now. While helping my son with his homework he thought he could use a herald article. I showed him the article made statements but didnt back them up by referencing actual facts, otherwise it’s just hearsay. That’s what nz journalism has turned into; just hearsay or opinion pieces…

    Comment by A dad — Sun 29th May 2016 @ 8:13 pm

  3. thank you for writing this Ministry of Men’s Affairs.

    Comment by J132123 — Sun 29th May 2016 @ 9:32 pm

  4. A somewhat old link to the numbers.

    Comment by zulu127 — Mon 30th May 2016 @ 1:23 am

  5. A somewhat more balanced and accurate portrayal of NZ suicide rates, gender and demographics appeared in STUFF on 2 June 2016 – link here:

    Comment by Bruce S — Thu 2nd June 2016 @ 10:22 am

  6. Jona @ 1. Yes and feminism is a weapon that is destroying us. It had massive funding from the Rockefeller Institute, something a grass roots movement doesn’t need. The feminists are again being used to try and stop free speech which is any discussion they don’t want. The other move is trying to make criticism of religion illegal (very broad and dangerous) which would take us back to the Dark Ages with heresy trials. This is well worth watching about what is happening in US universities

    Comment by Doug — Thu 2nd June 2016 @ 11:24 am

  7. Bruce S, #5: Thanks for providing that article. ‘Somewhat’ more balanced is right, but it still seemed a lot more concerned by a higher Maori than Pakeha rate than the much greater gender disparity.

    Also, it’s a shame the study appeared not to measure the correlation between suicide and Family Court involvement, or family separation. That correlation will be huge.

    Comment by Ministry of Men's Affairs — Thu 2nd June 2016 @ 1:59 pm

  8. When the NZ Herald voted Louise Nicholas ‘Woman of the Year’ in 2007 I was stunned and ever since have never relied on that paper as a source of truth when it comes to gender issues.

    Comment by triassic — Thu 2nd June 2016 @ 6:45 pm

  9. The article appears to be an analysis only of deaths declared suicide, by the Coroners.

    In other words, suspected suicides, deaths by risk taking and the like, all escape being examined carefully! It is likely that the ignored deaths show a greater proportion of men, that the declared suicides. These deaths are the ones that need to be looked at every bit as carefully, as the declared suicides….

    For all of the talk, there is scarily little action.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Thu 2nd June 2016 @ 11:08 pm

  10. MOMA, #7; we are a very long way from seeing any published (or indeed implied) correlation between suicides and family court involvement. Surprising really; especially when one considers how much focus, attention and analysis the road toll gets when the number of traffic related deaths is already significantly less than the annual suicide toll. The cynic in me sees suicide in NZ as a inconvenient truth affecting mostly males; so detailed analysis with a view to prevention is hardly a priority.

    Comment by Bruce S — Sun 5th June 2016 @ 9:48 pm

  11. Griffith University in Queensland appear to be the only group of researchers taking an active interest, among other things, in men’s suicide through the years where familycaught$ involvement is greatest – not greatest by maximum impact.

    They have faced extreme difficulty in getting raw information, due to the secrecies protecting familycaught$. But they have still published a few worthwhile papers (if people read them?).

    I attended a ADHB seminar on suicide in NZ a few years back. A psychiatrist mentioned that they were concerned about men’s suicides, but it was so difficult to get information. I let it go for a few weeks and then thought, well it did sound like an invitation to supply information. I wrote and received a very nice reply that they were not in a position to do anything with the information. I was quite disappointed, but not at all surprised.

    This is why I encourage people to do something ourselves, as noone else is really worried at all. It is “our” problem, we lose the most from it. We have the most to gain from offering better solutions, better quality rope, quicker tablets……… cheaper tablets……

    Hospitals are an industry to support and protect doctors. Suicides outside just aren’t relevant to this, while there is sufficient sperm to keep hospitals running ok.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Tue 7th June 2016 @ 8:30 am


    Pregnancy without consent is a national sport in NZ.
    So that the female gets what she wanted from the beginning.
    Either a relationship that was not going to happen if she did not stitch the male up.
    Or her uncontrollable desire to become a mother.
    Her desires to go on the DPB as a profession.

    Whatever it is.
    The males becomes trapped in situations they never caused and can’t fix.
    DV accusations that are not true, manipulated, or exaggerated can be used to guarantee the females position.
    Judges can ban males from having parental rights due to not being in a “live with relationship”.
    Or as punishment for asking for a paternity test.
    Or just because they have a penis, and that’s not in the best interests of the child.

    1999 a study of teenage fathers was undertaken due to concerns by midwives.
    They found these fathers were present at the birth but all disappeared soon after that.
    They found it hard to find teenage fathers for the study.
    100% reported having suicidal thoughts as a result of thier experiences.

    The study then went missing for 5 years.

    The government response to this study was.
    Banning all discussion about suicide.

    IE the NZ government knew they were involved in causing people, specifically young males, to kill themselves.
    Then decided to do draconian things to prevent it becoming known they in some way were responsible.

    Today you can find out the race of victims.
    Were they lived.
    Method of suicide.
    And age.

    All relatively meeningless information.
    The part that counts.
    The part that is missing.
    And the conspiracy to kill.
    Is that they don’t say why.
    What had happened in thier lives.
    What they had encountered in thier lives.

    They coroners office is nothing but a gatekeeper.
    To protect mass murderers.

    Female sex offenders.
    And the politicians, police, and judiciary that protect them.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Sun 22nd January 2017 @ 7:54 pm

  13. Sorry working from 12 year old memories. Got some dates wrong but otherwise the banning talking about suicide still happened.
    Don’t talk about why males kill themselves.
    Found an article that references what I said above.

    Listener had a version too.

    “Usually, once they were over the initial shock of the pregnancy”
    There was no consent for pregnancy to occur.

    “Her findings have never been published, but she describes it as one of the most extraordinary studies she has done.”
    Extraordinary but won’t publish it?

    “I had no idea it [fatherhood] would be so important to them ”
    No your kidding.
    What a belief system.
    Men don’t care about there kids.

    “More than one of them was in tears describing the birth of their child.”
    Speaks for itself.

    “But if they are so well-intentioned and emotionally involved, why do so few stay in the picture for the long term?”
    Because the female can’t get the DPB if he sticks around.
    The family court removes them from being parents.
    There is no teenage father schools. (Human rights violation by Minstry of Education”
    They are subject to prejudice.

    “When their access to their children is compromised it all starts to fall apart again.”
    They tried as hard and did the best they could.
    Then family court bigotry destroyed it all.

    “In all cases where young parents broke up in the months following the survey interview, the mothers had at least one social or support worker. The fathers had none.”
    Now there is another human rights violation.

    “His girlfriend became pregnant when he was 18. It was a shock, because he had thought she was on the Pill.”
    Here is the law. IE the sex occurred without consent.
    Crimes Act.
    128A Allowing sexual activity does not amount to consent in some circumstances.
    7) A person does not consent to an act of sexual activity if he or she allows the act because he or she is mistaken about its nature and quality.
    8) This section does not limit the circumstances a person does not consent to sexual activity.

    The offence is indecent assualt.

    “Bragg’s experience is not uncommon. The Father and Child Trust’s research has found many teen fathers have suicidal thoughts. Some young men they interviewed bore marks from previous attempts.”
    Yes non consential conception kills and if that fails it has many damaged survivors.

    Then the Herald shows its misandrist side.
    Tells the hardly ever miracle story.
    A teenage father having custody.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Mon 23rd January 2017 @ 11:45 pm

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