Honouring Zdenek “Sid” Hanzlik’s Sacrifice…
How can we honour Sid’s ultimate sacrifice?
I have a few things in common with the late Mr Hanzlik,-
I hate Hillman Minxs, Really hate them, You might be able to easily work on every part of them but that’s only because your going to need to. DJ reckons this is a good thing. Bullshit, I’m crossing the floor over this one. Assembled in Wellington you say DJ ? By who, public servants?
Sid being 25,000 out of pocket after fixing up one old heap of shit is all the evidence I need.
And the trusty urban dictionary backs me up-
MINX = “An alluring, cunning, or boldly flirtatious girl or young woman. Has unusual seductive powers such that she could commit acts that would otherwise be considered inappropriate, while still maintaining an air of class or poise.”
I wonder how Sid got seduced into still working on one so much, surely if you’re a mechanic and the client hasn’t turned up with a progress payment after a thousand or two you just throw a cloth over it.
But I have more in common with Sid than that I’m afraid, Like him and many or most of you I lost my parenting rights through family courts, My ex -wife applied to the court telling them that all my friends were gang members and that my daughter was in danger that I/they might kidnap my daughter from school.
I won’t bother defending myself in this page from that except to say that I don’t even have a tattoo.
I lost in court, I didn’t even get spoken to by the judge apart from being told I’d lost, quotes to remedy and likelihood of any real remedy made it too difficult to appeal. Fortunately I have managed to continue a relationship with my daughter despite the courts. I am FWOABW ‘lucky’. Recently though, my daughter has had heart problems and I can’t access medical information. Thanks a lot judge, I hope I get the chance to spit on your grave!
Also, Like Sid, I have spent days imprisoned in a cell because of false accusations. I wasn’t convicted of anything just accused and locked up for being accused. My accuser would never have to be accountable nor would those that turned the key. The experience was much like being stuck in an elevator for a very very long time and told by the stranger on the phone – your’e not worthy of a call to the lift mechanic.
Also, like Sid, I had made the journey to Wellington this month to protest about father’s rights, I took the opportunity to join Kerry and Hans to deliver a message to parliament. It was an eleven hour drive each way for me and I turned up with a large sign that I had made professionally by a signwriter and another that I’d cut out myself from plywood. It was the second time I’ve made the trip this year for men’s issues.
Once the signs were seen by security, the barricades were put up to prevent us even getting to the steps.
Standing there, looking up at the govenment building gives a hollowing feeling of insignifigance. It was daunting, Sid burned himself alive just a few feet away from where I was standing that day.
After hearing the reports of his sacrifice, I was relieved to hear that he had died. Any recovery wouldn’t be worth the agony for him.
I sense many others who follow menz also felt a jolt to the core from the news, each of us having our own anguish and familiarity with the feelings that Sid must have had to close shop and go to parliament last Thursday.
I expect I’m probably not the only one that feels relief for him that its finally over, even envy for his courage and admiration for his sacrifice. I suggest he knew his battle was lost beyond return and he made his sacrifice as much for other men more than he did for own relief from his suffering. He could have just thrown a rope over a crossmember in the shed like hundreds of other childless dads do each year, but instead chose that he would make a difference, he wanted be acknowledged, he wanted to be remembered.
But was he? The media ignored the event as much as they could, one report I read said “because the matter is now before the coroner police can make no further comments “
There won’t be a memorial stone laid with Zdenek Hanzlik’s name on it at parliament or anywhere else.
We know that polititians and media will bury this as deep as coalstone, there won’t be any Hanzlik-gate.
I decided to do what I could and started emailing news of this to All the big guns of the MRA around the world of mens issues asking for support from Elam,Straughn, Fiamengo, Buchannan, Davies and Latham to name a few. There were some replies, Janice replied very kindly, Mike Buchannan had only this to say,
“ I believe there was once a NZ men’s party, but can’t find anything on it. I’ve virtually never heard from anyone in NZ, while Aussies are generous supporters. I regret I’m too snowed under with work to do more than send this email”
I interpreted his e-mail as “show me the money”.
I also put up this Post on TM messageboard…
Imagine if it was a Woman…
• Imagine if it was a female who set her self on fire outside parliament house.
Obveously not over the systematic removal of mothers from childrens lives because thats very rare. But say it was over some other critical Issue facing NZ women like the gender pay gap or the crosswalk signals not looking female enough or men sitting too comfortably on trains and busses. Perhaps she might have been ‘triggered’ and suffering ptsd by some man inappropriatly paying her a compliment about her looks or some disasterous other attack.
The entire political establishment would have been out there on the lawn fawning over the tradgedy. Everyone from shine, womans refuge, battered womans trust and the whole victim$ industry would have been jostling to the front to have their photo taken. Emergency services would be re-evaluating responce times , and they wouldn’t just be talking about her and her tragic life,- they would all cry for reasons why this happened and discussion would flood the media of what can be done about it.
A foundation would be set up in her honor and memorial weeping sessions would have overshadowed the election. A moments silence before everything.
But It wasn’t a woman, It was just a man, just a father who had lost his access to his children and blamed the Femily Caught$, One of the many thousands that it happens to each year. Nothing more than a bit of a nusance. The grass will grow back.
Something for many posters to test thier wit joking about.
We can spread the word, but there will not be any change’s made to the court structure from Sid’s sacrifice unless we ourselves make it happen.
So the purpose of this post is to talk about ways that those of us that want to, might achieve this.
I have some suggestions and I am asking that you rate them on a scale of 1-10 indicating if you think each idea is likely to be worthwhile.
1, We get over ourselves, unite, and stop bickering about the things we don’t agree on we let go of differences from the past., We honour the work done by UOF and Moma and other groups, but we start a fresh, with a new respect for eachother. We work on commonalities and minimise differences as we know this is a needed for cohesion and any real progress. No Snowflaking or taking offence unless you’ve been hit over the head with something heavy.
2, We find a central Auckland location that we can have a meeting at every two months on a Saturday afternoon, preferably with wifi so we can skype in anyone that can’t attend but wants to be present with basic amenities that we can discuss ideas, progress and build camaraderie.
3, We work out our priorities, obviously Family Courts is the elephant but there’s may other issues we can work out potential activism for. For instance I am as concerned for raising awareness of male DV victims as I am other family court issues. I would like to be on a sub-panel that works on this task.
4, We am to start a separate MRA website, not a discussion site like MENZ but simply a site that highlights issues, a site to show the public what our intentions are. The site does not identify its contributors for safety reasons. It’s a place where we can lead our enemies to for them to have clear understanding of the problems faced by men that we no longer want to put up with. A site where we can be contacted for negotiations.
5, Once we have established our goals and have set our tasks for ourselves, we keep in touch with each other simply with an email address that we all know the pasword to, that way any activism can not be easily disrupted as it might if we discuss things in this public forum. The email address will be used as a post for all internal communications within the group.
6, We try to spread our bets with activism both in writing, in person, with the proviso being that If any activism is likely illegal it must be put to discussion so anyone who want’s no part in it can withdraw, Im not talking about murder, Im referring to graffiti campains and placing notice’s on vehicles, accessing public property without permission etc.
7, We establish a basic treasury with donation from our members going towards our goals, Signage is the main priority for activism, I would like to have some nice ones made up professionally of Mr Hanzlik so we can take the old bugger with us to protests. Im thinking of ten or twenty bucks from our members at each meeting.
I have folding tables and chairs and other helpful things that I can donate, We should aim to have a public protest every three months innitially increasing with our capabilities and our means.
8, All public protests carried out with “men in black” style, if you don’t have a suit ( who the fuck does) go down the op shop or the family store and get some threads and find some shoes that make you look sharp so we can appear organised and presentable,and approachable.
9, At the first meeting we need At least 5 committed people, if we can’t muster 5 then we don’t have enough support to continue.
10, We always remember that failure to adhere to number 1 is the reason we will fail.
11, We aknowledge the time is now!
We are the men that can fix our societal crimes, we must try, we can’t revive the UOF and there’s reasons it no longer exists ( i don’t care what they are) we also cannot shoulder responsibilities for activism on Ministry of Men’s Affairs to organise everything as like many UOF guys that have been plugging away at these issues for many years they are -understandably, tired.
We are the ones that need to pick up the batton, and try to get help for the young men of New Zealand as they are confronting a legal system that has them in its sights. It will imprison them for no crimes, Enslave them to servitude, take their children from them and promote systematic abuse against them again and again telling them all the while that they are not worthy of concern.
“Retain the power of speech no matter what other power you may lose … Do what you will, but speak out always. Be shunned, be hated, be ridiculed, be scared, be in doubt, but don’t be gagged. The time of trial is always. Now is the appointed time.”
John Jay Chapman, 1900
Your thoughts gentlemen, please..
Awesome read I currently live in Australia and am part of this mens group
I would like to share this insight and message on a social media playform.
Mainly Facebook. Thought it better to ask before just posting.
I have had a small discussion with a few people about this guy I didnt knw his name
Until now.I believe he is a martyr for mens rights.
Although not much has been said more about it. I agree with the way
That if it was a woman thay did the same thing there would be a public outrage over what
ever she was protesting about.
Suggestion 2, is one of the ideas I also wanted to propose at the CMM – Concerned Men’s Meeting
Any suggestions for an ongoing meeting venue, that might be used for the First Meeting
1, Hi Kerry, The answer is Yes you can share, Anything I’ve said at least, Copy and paste all Day.
Keep in touch with us and fill us in about the responces wont you, We feel a bit forgotten down here in NZ sometimes, You’ve got Latham and Independant Man And Gary Oarsome And Bettina Arndt and Many more. Who Have we got? Can anyone think of a prominant NZ Anti-feminist?
Or preferably, copy, spell check then paste.
I live in southland and would find it next to impossible to meet in Auckland. I will however on parliament grounds attend on the 21st of September annually and I will donate money in support of Sid’s sacrifice. Though I have a different beef with government, nonetheless I seek a better way to live. Sid Hanzlik’s sacrifice has made me more determined to CHARGE forward with my issue. In my view…”Governments are worthless” AND “we don’t need them”: where is the evidence that those in government are a good people?…Charge!!!
Remove the father, the protector and the mother and the children become vunerable. Typically the children become vunrerable for the rest of their lives.
Girls often look for love in all the wrong places, become hookers, turn to drugs and thugs.
Sons often do not reach their potential and fall foul of law. (no dad there to watch over them and the police)
We/they can then rely on the involvement of;
All of this perpetuates the existence of the aforementioned and has done for centuries. Men were once “press ganged” into service by thugs who themselves had fallen foul of the law and for a “blind eye”, a “head turn” at the time of an offence, police and the authorities may have simply allowed certain crimes to go “unnoticed” for return favors.
Let’s face it, Police need troubled youth or there would be no Louise Nicholas and “jollies for the” Police who abused her, the public, the police force and their trusted positions.
More than one Family Court Judge and or counsel for the child may have been involved in sex even as a suggestion in return for a favorable outcome in court.
Without troubled youth, what would many of these people do for a job.
Get rid of good and reasonable fathers and we have a more degraded, manipulable society especially if the father is broken financially and in spirit.
Women, the mothers are victims too, they have been sold the same crap by fee scamming lawyers. The mothers don’t get it yet. Their lives and their children’s lives are not better off with a decent and could be decent dad gone, fed up, Family Court ised and gone.
The real issues lie up the food chain
Not with the Police (they have been carefully structured into this role)
Not with the Law
Perhaps the real issues lie with the judges, politicians, bankers and those protected folk who may feed off the backs of others. These folk may often appear as pillars of the community but they may well want a liasion with a hooker on the way home to the Juducial wife whilst driving home pissed but with impunity. How could this happen without troubled youth who will grow into troubled adults? We know a percentage turns to prostitution.
Hookers (bless their cotton fishnets) have often had no decent male in their lives, dad gone and molested by – yep mummies new bloke. This is known, so well known that not a bloody thing is done about mummies new boyfriend who’s qualification for spending more time with your children than the father can is; (drum role please) “Banging Mummy” – that’s it, and the father, shit no, he will be poked, prodded, section 133d, section 129d, cross examined, fucked over, arrested, let down and still not see his children on a consistent basis.
They take our sons and where do they end up? Epuni, Koteri and a genuine enquirery -independent – no way!! Why, what and who are being shielded by the white wash when they took our sons?
No, look further up the food chain for the motivation in removing decent and could be ok fathers and remember “press gangs” are public and messy these days. The NZ Family Court process, IRD combined with the Police and protection orders tossed about may be the modern equlevient.
I wish for the real perpetrators to be held up to the light and judged let’s hear the evidence.
Sid Hanzlik, fallen but you will feed us strength.
You battled on to the high court, I read the drivel evidence proposed by the s133 author – what shit!! “You may well be a Narcisist”. Well the author of that may well be a tax payer funded independent contractor devoid of life’s experience not destined to bite the hand that feeds them so writes the sort of “see you later dad” reports these society manipulators want.
When your children know what you tried to do for them, mummy looses too.
Who were the judges, counsel for the child, counsel for the mother?
What was the religious sect the mother joined?
Was it proposed as an independent “change over venue” by counsel for the child? (that happened to my son and daughter, proposed by C4C with mental health pataients living there too)
Sid’s children will grow up and section 133 author perhaps they will come to visit you.
It has been suggested that Cynical comment and sarcastic humor are important things that keep a father going and safe from suicide when enduring the bullshit served up by the Family Court Process, police, and hangers on like this piss ant S 133 author. Perhaps she might experience what this man endured – then call him Narsistic for she may well be a driviling, jumped up rug munching, dip shit devoid of any ability to think for herself beyond her safe tax payer funded existance.
Brad @ 7: Your comparison with ‘press gang’ methods to exploit men is interesting. It’s true that our current system seems designed primarily to exploit men financially as much as possible without too many killing themselves or breaking loose with violence towards others. ‘Too many’ is an arbitrary notion but clearly a male suicide rate greater than our total road toll and homicide toll combined is considered to be nowhere near enough for any change to our male-abusing approaches.
I disagree with you though that the real issue is not the law. It is the law that:
– allows judges to make ‘without-notice’ orders;
– allows judges to make decisions based on their own whim about whom to believe rather than requiring any reasonable evidence or proof;
– provides the ‘best interests of the child’ smokescreen for whatever nonsense the Family Court judge comes up with;
– allows lawyers to welcome, support and even recommend perjury especially by females (especially now in order to get free and quick Court action);
– allows judges and police to overlook breaches of Court orders by mothers withholding children whilst aggressively prosecuting breaches of other Court orders by men;
– allows judges to overlook perjury which almost every woman and some men commit during Family Court processes, and allows police to refuse to take a complaint about perjury or investigate it;
– allows police to kick men out of their homes regardless of who appeared to be violent, who appeared to be most violent or who initiated the violence.
And so on. It is the laws that need changing. Many judges and some lawyers actually work hard to achieve good outcomes for the parties but the law often prevents this.
Take care about jumping to too many conclusions regarding Sid Hanzlik. While his protest was well-founded against many pernicious aspects of our family law and feminist-saturated child agencies, he also may have shunned opportunities to see his children, to avail himself of the doors left open by the Family Court for rebuilding his relationships and role with his children, and he probably contributed greatly himself to the deterioration in those relationships in the first case.
Man X Norton @8 I agree it is the law at fault! and the humans that make and enforce them too. But regarding that you say of Sid.., “he also may have shunned opportunities to see his children”. I disagree. In My view Sid had every right to refuse any hand out that did not suit him.
Sid needs a statue on the grounds of parliament on the very spot where he died.
A permanent reminder to all who sit in the house.
A Father protector giver of life.
There’s a bit of a “Do” on for sid in Rotorua in the morning.
HANZLIK, Zdenek (Sid). Tragically on 22.09.2017. This colourful character was privately cremated at the Rotorua Crematorium in accordance to his wishes on Monday 02.10.2017. There will be a Memorial Celebration of Sid’s Life at White Haven Funeral Home, 27 Old Taupo Road at 11.30am on Friday 06.10.2017. Come join us and share with each other over coffee and light refreshments. Contact Charles on 027 3683 770.
Has the Coroner’s report on Sid’s case been supplied publicly? Can that information be obtained by the general public? This should not be brushed under the carpet, and it would be very worth while knowing the findings, which would no explore Sid’s specific family court issues which led him to his tragic end.
The Wellington Coroner’s Office is very difficult to deal with, do not honour their commitments
“We’ll let you know.” Sort of thing.
I used to pursue cases of interest but if you’re not MSM it’s very hard to budge the determined efforts to shut down interest.
Good luck if you want to follow that up. If I was in Wellington I’d go along to the hearing. That’s about the only way you can get something out of them.
#9,,, Sid may indeed have been offered ‘contact’ with his kids. Our Son was offered visits 1 – 2 hours on a Sunday twice a month in an office with a professional ear to record your mood, body language and mind what you say,,,,all at the cost of 100 dollars an hour..Such generosity to have bestowed upon one after having had no meaningful time over the past three years and then comes a without notice like a bolt from the blue to top things off by no contact for an attached period of 6 months…. WTF!…he declined…when your on your knees for so long it gets hard to stand.
Came across this today if anyone is interested….https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12228624
Sounds pretty typical of parental alienation techniques applied through the legal system
Some great comments.
I have tried to find an example of person that could commit suicide, and get murdered at the same time.
This could be it.
“In Iran you stone mothers in New Zealand fathers”
Sid was a self represented father , correct ?
I wander what do you think about the following : My Judge few days ago on the Dicetions conference todl me she doesn’t like the tone of my Appplication for a PO discharge . When asked what’s wrong with the tone of my Affidavit – No reply at all.
She, then ordered me to attend a psychiatric treatment fo at lest 3 months . When I asked her why – No reply .
I saw a lawyer . His response : Only lawyers can tell the Judge : : there might be some inconsistences in the ‘ victim’s ‘ statements BUT not the member of public , which is me .Ifa member of a public says the same to the Judge , he will be considered as obssesed and agressive ‘
What do you think about this ?