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Family justice reforms seek public support – closes 9 November 2018

Filed under: Law & Courts — Julie @ 5:30 am Mon 10th September 2018

Posted by Andrew Little on September 05, 2018

Justice Minister Andrew Little welcomes the release of a public consultation paper by the Independent Panel considering the 2014 family justice reforms.

“The Panel is calling for public submissions, inviting everyone with experience of the family justice system to share their stories and have a say about how family justice services can be improved.

“The Independent Panel, made up of former Chief Human Rights Commissioner Rosslyn Noonan, and family lawyers La-Verne King and Chris Dellabarca, have been appointed to examine changes made to the family justice system in 2014.

“We can’t fix a broken system without knowing the extent of the problem so I’m pleased the Panel is seeking public input.share on twitter

“The consultation process is an invaluable opportunity for the Panel to understand how the family justice system can provide a better service.

“Wide public engagement will allow the Panel to get the full picture when it comes to the reforms’ effectiveness.

“Submissions are open for eight weeks. The Panel has worked hard to ensure that the consultation is accessible for anyone interested in helping to improve the system,” said Andrew Little.

Information about the Panel and the public submissions process can be found HERE

Submissions close on 9 November 2018.


  1. to examine changes made to the family justice system in 2014.

    This is the extent of their brief.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Mon 10th September 2018 @ 7:43 am

  2. NZ Human Rights Commission
    “Driving for gender equality is a goal all New Zealanders can strive for, and one we proudly hold up as proof of our nation’s egalitarian character.” — Miranda Burdon, chief executive of Global Women.
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    NZ Human Rights Commission
    Miranda Burdon: Kate Sheppard’s legacy still inspiring at 125th anniversary, via

    Here is our Only-Women-Bleed firmly entrenched mentality from Homen Rights Commission.

    Back to 2008 and pick up where we left off.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Mon 10th September 2018 @ 9:55 am

  3. Did you specifically want a post that linked to the Labour Party website Julie?

    Perhaps you hadn’t been keeping up to date with our decisions and realise there is an existing post here

    And another associated post on affidavits here.

    Comment by Downunder — Mon 10th September 2018 @ 11:01 am

  4. And being familiar with you’re academic interest in Marxism, Julie, you may have missed the debate on The Real Problem.

    If you’re short of something to do.

    Comment by Downunder — Mon 10th September 2018 @ 11:07 am

  5. Our NZ Stats are always blown into this proportion,,, ‘perpetrators aka Men’ Our men are being dragged into and through this,,, because of such stats…

    Everyday women get to use mental abuse which cannot be proven, with the backing of all the surrounding professionals she can say and do as she pleases and what is a man to do….
    I wanted to highlight this ethnic problem…but I am not a racist at all, this is a a modern problem here in Aotearoa, I do not believe this problem existed this way in the 40s, 50s, 60s NZ because everyone had spare cash, and the living was easy, lack of good education the rise of racism and the push for equality for all groups has lead to a feeding frenzy on too many fronts leaving the important issues to suffer for too damn long. We have a SICK nation, full of people who say what they please and then close their ears and eyes, we are caring less for one another and caring more for ourselves, lauding BS technology to excuse ourselves from real communication, what race would not be struggling in such an environment…????

    Ethnic Identity and Intimate Partner Violence in a New Zealand Birth Cohort

    In the first study, the lifetime prevalence rate of Māori women experiencing IPV was 26.9%

    compared with a rate of 14.6% for New Zealand European women (Young et al. 1997). The rates were 11.9% for Māori males and 6.8% for New Zealand European males. The second national crime survey indicated that 49.3% of Māori women and 22.2% of New Zealand European women had experienced IPV (Morris et al. 2003). The lifetime prevalence rate for Māori males was 27.5% and the corresponding rate for New Zealand European males 18.4%. The most recent contribution to this series used the term “confrontational offences” (mainly assaults and threats) and differentiated types of offending by the degree of intimacy between the respondent and offender (Mayhew and Reilly 2007). The results indicate an uneven distribution of vulnerability between ethnic groups, with Māori experiencing more than 50% higher than the average victimisation risk for offending by partners.

    This pattern of Māori disproportionately represented in IPV is also observable from information derived from alternative sources. For example, although Māori make up only 15% of the New Zealand population, 50% of those sentenced for the offence “male assaults female” were Māori men (Doone 2000). In addition, it has been estimated that close to 50% of Women’s Refuge clientele are Māori women and children (New Zealand Family Violence Clearinghouse 2007). Other research reporting specifically on ethnic group differences in exposure to IPV or related trauma appears to corroborate the finding that both Māori men and women are at an inordinate risk of experiencing IPV when compared to other sub-groups of the population classified by ethnicity (Kazantzis et al. 2000, Koziol-Mclain et al. 2004, Flett et al. 2004, Hirini et al. 2005, Koziol-Mclain et al. 2007, Lievore et al. 2007

    Comment by mama — Mon 10th September 2018 @ 11:26 am

  6. Indea Ford, 34, previously from Maidstone in Kent, admitted two counts of abduction, at Isleworth Crown Court.

    She took her children to Sitka in October 2015 after she married an American following the breakdown of her relationship with their father.

    Ford was jailed for three years and six months.

    Here’s a Justice reform for you.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Tue 11th September 2018 @ 8:29 am

  7. There is a media trail attached to the story

    Maybe it’s a one off, the judge didn’t like cup cakes.

    Comment by Downunder — Tue 11th September 2018 @ 10:18 am

  8. Stuart Miller and I were asked to meet with the panel this week. I understand it is their second day of meetings. They listened attentively and asked us questions for a full 2 hours.

    Comment by Allan Harvey — Tue 11th September 2018 @ 6:44 pm

  9. This looks positive. If they are willing to repeal some of the 2014 changes as part of reform, then I am quietly optimistic. I hope everyone participates as this is how things happen. Have your say!

    Comment by Neil Onslow — Tue 11th September 2018 @ 7:26 pm

  10. This week is the first week of interviews. Stuart and I were invited to meet with the 3 panel members and their secretariat for 2 hours this morning. They listened well and asked good questions. An interactive time for us all. They are planning to meet with Brendon Smith (Father and Child) in Auckland as well and they have asked us to arrange a court user group of dads to meet with the Wellington based panelist probably late October.

    Comment by allan harvey — Wed 12th September 2018 @ 12:39 am

  11. I just saw and read that first and second reading had passed for’tweaked’ Family Violence Bill.
    what does this mean?
    Was Little Mr told to “cut it short this time, Andrew”….

    Comment by mama — Wed 12th September 2018 @ 8:24 am

  12. #9,..Thanks for that, great to hear of action at the front, well as close as it gets, do you know if there are any Auckland based panelists that want to meet with court user Dads??

    Comment by mama — Wed 12th September 2018 @ 8:32 am

  13. This week is the first week of interviews. Stuart and I were invited to meet with the 3 panel members and their secretariat for 2 hours this morning. They listened well and asked good questions. An interactive time for us all. They are planning to meet with Brendon Smith (Father and Child) in Auckland as well and they have asked us to arrange a court user group of dads to meet with the Wellington based panelist probably late October.

    We’ve been here before Allan – forgive my skepticism.

    Of particular concern is that the active cases we presented were white-washed and the fathers participation trashed. For your sake I hope you do not end up living with the same outcome.

    You are dealing with a group of individuals with confused allegiances. Those closely engaged with Clark and her dirty work may have been sidelined but those filling the vacancies will in the same manner be expected to produce a pre-determined outcome rather than a genuine finding.

    The comment from mama suggests that decision has already been made and you’re engaged in a fruitless passification.

    There is a testament on this site to many previous attempts at reform and that has resulted in numerous casualties, politicians, journalists, lawyers – not just men’s activists.

    The blind faith in the integrity of these people (mainly because they have been able to keep their ruthless and destructive retaliation surpressed) is what puts a gulf between your optimism and my pessimism.

    You only have to look at the retirement statement of someone like Paul Adams to know you are regarded as an ignorant dispensible fool.

    But good luck and if you do end up being the carved up turkey by Xmas, at least have the courage to come back and post it here.

    Comment by Downunder — Wed 12th September 2018 @ 10:45 am

  14. a wee print peice…Andrew Little’s hopes of repealing Three Strikes legislation were halted in their tracks by New Zealand First. Credits: Newshub


    Comment by mama — Wed 12th September 2018 @ 11:45 am

  15. on Chester Burrows… back in August..

    Kind of flies in the face of the three strikes out law.. THE THREE STRIKES OUTLAW, we don’t need these kind of outlaws created here in Gods’ Bloody Own.

    Chester says..

    “In a country our size we should have a prison population that looks a little bit more like the countries and states that we align ourselves with. And I would say that’d be about half,” he says.

    “There are people there for low level offending. There are people there because there’s nowhere else to put them because there’s no mental health facilities.”

    His goals are to come up with a policy platform for the Government and ensure the public are better educated about justice issues.

    “We want to be able to put up some recommendations that will make big changes within the justice sector and we want to make sure the public actually understand the justice system and how it works,” he told host Duncan Garner.

    “If we get the public better educated and we have a better listening ear to what the public are saying about how justice is working in their communities, then I believe we will have achieved some good goals.”

    Comment by mama — Wed 12th September 2018 @ 11:56 am

  16. Chester says…

    But Mr Borrows acknowledges he faces strong opposition, including the public – who he says don’t understand the crime stats – and MPs, who he says deliberately inflame issues to get votes.

    “People have already made up their mind on an issue. Very rarely want to listen to anything new that could show they’ve had the wrong end of the stick,” he says.

    “The biggest threat to a safer, effective and fair justice system is the fact that it’s a political hot potato and there’s a big red button called law and order.

    “If you can take the political heat out of it, then you’ll start getting some progress on these issues – and if you don’t you won’t.”

    Newshub. Gotta love this guy….

    Comment by mama — Wed 12th September 2018 @ 12:15 pm

  17. Ruth migrated to New Zealand in 1982 from New York. An expert in Family Law, she wrote the report which formed the basis of the Domestic Violence Act 1995. In 1994, her work on the Bristol Ministerial Inquiry led to the enactment of the violence provisions in the (now) Care of Children Act (for more information see the next page). She is also a co-founder of the Hamilton Abuse Intervention Project, a domestic violence NGO which served as the pilot project for New Zealand. As a member of the Lesbian Elders Village, she is concerned that older lesbians are not driven back into the closet as they age.

    What valuable input is the Justice Minister paying this person for?

    Comment by Downunder — Wed 12th September 2018 @ 1:50 pm

  18. Sure sounds like she has a vested interest in domestic violence in her adopted country,,, we are so lucky to have her.

    Comment by mama — Wed 12th September 2018 @ 3:44 pm

  19. The most difficult cases tend to involve parties with poor self-regulation, often self-centred, wilful, even dishonest.

    “This tidy system breaks down where a parent acts unlawfully and contrary to the interests of the child.”
    HOLY SHIT>>>
    This said by a retired family court judge,,,,,he is literally talking about the mother here…who else??

    Comment by mama — Wed 12th September 2018 @ 4:22 pm

  20. If I recall recent comments this was pointed out to you in relation to removing protection orders but perhaps you missed that.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Wed 12th September 2018 @ 4:42 pm

  21. Oh yes,,, to read this quote today, directly from the mouth of a judge was just quite a revelation for me today, you can read so much of what the politicians say and that expert says, that sometimes, a phrase of common sense or the likes, can feel like a ray of sun.

    Do you have to go to court, as in a hearing, to have a protection order removed or can the court decide in behind the scenes?

    Comment by mama — Wed 12th September 2018 @ 6:28 pm

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