Men Make Better Teachers
Recently I remembered back to my school years and recalled how much I enjoyed my male teachers and one nun!
Anyway I decided to scan the net to see what people thought of the differences between men and women as teachers and came up over numerous articles that men were resoundingly said to better.
More open minded, funny, witty, engaging, diciplinery where necessary to hold attention and better academic results , all according to students, both male and female.
You bet they make great parents.
We shouldn’t have to make that comparison and I say that having been to a coed highchool.
I had some excellent female teachers but the school was run by men. We had a system where each female teacher had a known male teacher as a minder.
If you pissed the lady off, that’s who you got to see.
It was a disciplined environment and today’s schools are a failure by comparison.
Comment by Downunder — Thu 12th July 2018 @ 9:55 am
I agree that schooling today is a shadow of what it used to be, It was incredibly lucky to have had the schooling of the sixties through to the early eighties.
The high school I attended had its first female principal and she ruled with an iron fist, when she left/retired the deputy took over , he was affable and definitely led in a completely different manner.
My english teacher was in a relationship with another woman and teacher of science at the same school, it caused huge dis respect amoungst students..not to mention hugely distracting.
At primary school these days you do not get male teachers, unfortunate for the young boys I would think. One of our grandsons would absolutely do better with a more authoritarian approach.
Comment by mama — Thu 12th July 2018 @ 11:16 am
Interesting nz herald article… Your Views: Schools losing Male Teachers 25th May 2007.
Eleven years later, even worse a situation?, no doubt.
My husband was assistant to the science teachers in a local college.
He noted that their were two men science teachers, the head being a woman. The head teacher had bullying manner and when looking at her class situation it could be seen to be kaotic, whilst both men teachers seemed well respected and held the classes attention, there must have been some learning happening there.
Comment by mama — Sat 14th July 2018 @ 12:02 pm
My husband was explaining to me that back in Scotland, the co-ed school he attended, had separate entry/exit gates for girls and boys, separate classes for them and separate play areas.
A similar system here would hopefully see male teachers come back and the boys education could get back on track.
Comment by mama — Wed 5th September 2018 @ 1:50 pm
Probably not.
Male teachers have had enough of having to tolerate abusive behavior without any real means of enforcement of discipline.
They also face an overflow of female teachers that will hold back wage relativity.
The environment that encourages male teachers is male teachers who interact with and encourage students who they see have that potential.
There would need to be a significant and determined undertaking to change the current situation.
Comment by Evan Myers — Wed 5th September 2018 @ 3:38 pm
there is something here that says much about this topic
Comment by JustCurious — Wed 5th September 2018 @ 6:32 pm
#6
That is nearly 20 years old, and talk back yesterday the argument was single sex or coed schools.
Thanks for finding that.
Comment by Downunder — Thu 6th September 2018 @ 10:48 am
Education… a teacher shortage you say ???…why is it we are not , as a country, promoting teaching to Men, our Men need encouragement into, uni and education, it should be highlighted…IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR CHILDREN!
..and what of equality in professions…. why bring in teachers from overseas when the best teachers could be under our noses…..
This was from a 2011 article…..all this time,,,, wasted
Roger believes that there is one important thing that a male ECE teacher can bring that a female cannot, and that is only a man can be a male role model.
“Only a man can model the possible ways to be a man, and it feels very important to me that I provide children with a positive male role model,” he says.
Joanie agrees. “During my teaching career, there have been children without a male in their life, and I know at our kindergarten this is so,” she says. “Roger’s presence allows children to see a male in a positive light. While we women kaiako can play rough and tumble and hammer in nails, it just isn’t the same as having a male’s presence.”
Simon believes that having a mix of male and female teachers is important.
“When there is a mix of genders among adults in a centre, the range of perspectives is greater and the children are likely to have a wide range of people and experiences to choose from,” he says. “I think, too, that children seeing men and women working together cooperatively and constructively is very important for their social development.”
Joanie loves having a male on her teaching team.
Comment by mama — Wed 6th February 2019 @ 12:43 pm
Blame Peter Ellis ? [technically this is victim blaming…]
Women have been used to keep down teaching salaries, below general inflation.
When society [maybe many women in particular] expect a husband to be able to provide a comfortable standard of living for the couple, then that commercial pressure largely precludes men from working in teaching. Though maybe less so if they are asexual or similar?
If women teachers chose to champion the idea that children need male role models and given equal pay legislation [in this case for obviously unequal work!] then women themselves would benefit financially. But no, they value the idea that women can do anything so much, that they cannot champion male role models in schools. Their pride is costing them almost $10,000 per year. Over time, that adds up to quite a lot? My pride runs out at $100, let alone per year. Very poor gender imperialistic investment by these women teachers, as the big impact on the children is in the first three years……
But back to the damage that Peter Ellis has done. Employment related expenses are generally paid by the employer. Politicians are typically defended in caught by Crown Law legal workers and any damages payouts paid by the taxpayer.
But in its meanness, the Education Department makes special exception for teachers. Although they are trying to save money, so that executives may be paid more, it chills out 50% of the available labour force.
Most men wouldn’t go near teaching, as the social risks [unreliable and super-expensive caught process, jail time and public humiliation] just make it unthinkable.
I read an article about Norsemen “taking” english women back to Norway and Sweden after their raids. Cultural anthropologists had done cultural analyses to see what impact these raids had had on english society and culture. One suggested that we have worked out how to do the analysis, maybe out of curiosity we should do the same analysis of Norse societies, before and after this period of time. To their surprise, taking english women back to their own countries had affected their own societies more than the raids had affected english society. Curious isn’t it? If the Norsemen had done an Environmental Impact Report before doing the raids, I am sure that they would never have done the raids? (As an aside, the poor wretches, why did they take english women, when they could have ventured a bit further South..?)
Likewise, we never really did an impact report before bringing the familycaught$ into operation…. or even afterwards – which is the real indicator of a careless, stupid and slack society.
Comment by MurrayBacon — Thu 7th February 2019 @ 8:28 am
I did some research a few years back which I am sure I posted in here somewhere:
A feminized education department made teaching a girls job with restrictions on male applicants. The political explanation was that there needed to be 50% of female teachers.
Not all successful female applicants see this as a life time career.
There are pregnancy related absences.
Some previously full time teachers choose to only work part time.
This was the basis for continuing restrictions at entry level.
The obvious happened that eventually the greater majority of the 50% of men were all older men, and many as we know have faced various attacks by ladder climbers trying to push aside men on the basis that women didn’t hold 50% of the senior roles, but with no change to entry restrictions.
I am not familiar with the current figures but the analysis about 5-6 years ago would have told any dumb bear there would be bugger all men left in teaching, especially at primary level by 2020.
Wage relativity is a separate issue to this and creates a separate set of issues that have been less discussed here but included in more recent discussions.
When these issues start getting confused we end up in conspiracy territory and far away from the truth.
Teaching has been a great example of blind feminist advancement – it’s about women and stuff the consequences.
Comment by Downunder — Thu 7th February 2019 @ 9:38 am
#9, Bacon Axe, and #10, Downunder, thank you thank you for your history and comment on this very important subject for Lil Ol NZ…..
The problem is overcome by Co- Ed schools separating their classes to create single sex teaching in our schools,,, no new schools would be necessary but we would need to train lots of Male teachers,, imagine a drive for this,,it could not be seen as discriminatory,, could it??
The recent pay rises have surely made it a more attractive career path??
It is funny that both of your last comments were very similar,, careless, slack and stuff the consequences !!!!
What are we doing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????????
Comment by mama — Thu 7th February 2019 @ 10:04 am
PS….separate Staff rooms may be necessary.
Comment by mama — Thu 7th February 2019 @ 10:05 am
#11 the difficulty with your suggestion mama is that male roles often require a combination of work experience and teaching ability.
You will get the male applicants on the current pay scale?
Comment by Evan Myers — Thu 7th February 2019 @ 10:13 am
# 13, Evan,,, yes, and in gaining experience a generation of young potential male teachers would have to stomach discrimination from their counterparts, it is doable though, as for teaching ability, I think Men naturally have this in spades,, and that is one thing you can not take away, no matter how hard you try… and so you do think the pay is now attractive enough?
Comment by mama — Thu 7th February 2019 @ 10:22 am
It’s not only male teachers that are lacking in our education system but more generally male influence and wisdom concerning such matters as discipline, honour, achievement and inspiration.
Comment by Ministry of Men's Affairs — Thu 7th February 2019 @ 10:31 am
Moma,,, that is the groovey thing, that men bring all those things.
Comment by mama — Thu 7th February 2019 @ 10:54 am
Peter Ellis served 7 years and still pleads innocence….
from wikipedia on Peter Ellis…..
Compensation
On 3 September 1992, following discussions between the City Council, Ministry of Education and police, the Civic Creche was closed. In March 1995, the four female employees and six other former staff who had also lost their jobs were awarded $1 million by the Employment Court. This was later reduced to $170,000 by the Court of Appeal in September 1996.[16]
Comment by mama — Thu 7th February 2019 @ 11:20 am
I would think discipline which is the central issue has more to do with Sue Bradford and the Bullshit Bill than Peter Ellis.
And there won’t be a referendum on that because Winston traded that with the Greens for a cannabis refer dumb (they forgot how to spell it)
Comment by Evan Myers — Thu 7th February 2019 @ 12:03 pm