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Criticism In General

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 8:04 am Sat 10th April 2021

I was born into the era before post war feminism took hold in New Zealand. I’ve seen the changes but I’ve never been accepting of the negative aspects of feminism that plague men in New Zealand or internationally in a more general sense.

Some changes are obvious, while others are more subtle, and some perhaps go unnoticed in the feminization of today’s society.

Criticism was a very normal part of the world of men I saw as a child. Do it this way. No, it’s better that way, etc. In the developing world it’s how men communicated, cooperated, worked together, taught and progressed.

It’s not the same cutting edge process that women tended to use in their nurturing and mothering role and when criticism did surface amongst the girls it was more indicative of competition rather than cooperation.

These days we live in a flowery world where criticism is offensive. 50 years ago it was comedy in the workplace when there was nothing better to do. It’s alive and well still though amid female competition along with an extension to that category of bitching, the female aggression and hostility that’s so much more prevalent in the modern world. I see it in public now, in a way that was socially unacceptable not so long ago.

Although not so obvious in its processes the dynamics of criticism and the nature of its changes has had a devastating effect on our communication and social development.

The political preference of feminism to use criticism as a weapon against men but censor it amongst women is a power game that has had far reaching and devastating effects beyond their desires for control.

Criticism in historic literature is much more visible and the historical awareness of the subject may have played a significant role in why education for men was often denied to women.

In the progression of what you might call equality we could have continued to study literature and criticism in depth as a subject rather than see it fall victim to the political hostility of feminist ideology and the associated structural demands of their preferred society.

As the forth wave of feminism along with wokeness attack freedom of expression we might consider the education that has been destroyed in the name of feminism – much more than just criticism, of course.

They quietly burnt the book of criticism and redefined the concept as much if not more than the word.

Should we be considering how to reverse this so we don’t continue the apparent self-destruction and limits on possible development in the physical world.

Feel free to call that last paragraph sexist if it suits your politics but I don’t see women having surfaced in this new era to lead any significant progress in the real world.

I’ll wait for the bitching.


  1. Well said , thank you

    I expect a major financial crisis in the next 3-5 years which usually is followed by war , suffering and general poverty . But this time , our Western civilization will find itself ona loosing end unlike in WW2 .

    Which might be a blessing in disguise because if we want to survive and rebuild our society we HAVE to go back to our traditional realistic moral , ethical values and lifestyle . Otherwise we perish as a civilization . Just look at the Roman Empire example .

    We had it too good for too long time , we lost the survival and rational instincts . This vacuum has been filled with all sort of self-indulgent , self – gratifying selfish behaviour while other civilizations /countries has been developing in a morally and ethically sustainable and rational ways-

    All that in a name of freedom, but freedom without reciprocal obligations is chaos which breeds extremisms . That is how we ended up with extreme feminism, extreme BLM , extreme white supremacy, extreme education , extreme LBGT etc.

    On the other hand , our Western civilization is only about 20% from the whole world . The rest of the world has been increasingly realizing the Emperor is naked and they do not allow our moral and ethical corruption to be transferred to them .

    So, it will get much worse before we will be forced to go back to our roots . Just wait another 3-5 years and see . You can’t do anything. if you do you will be asked to undergo psychiatric treatment as it happened to me .

    Comment by toni — Sat 10th April 2021 @ 9:20 am

  2. #1 Thank you.

    It’s been said before that, “The fighting is just the end of the war.”

    Perhaps it’s just a nice thought that we might be intelligent enough to find a better way or is that the internal hope that surfaced with civilization?

    Comment by Downunder — Sat 10th April 2021 @ 10:25 am

  3. Well said and very true, I have also noticed this and fortunately, there is a growing awareness amongst several thought leaders I follow on Youtube. I went to an all-male school as part of my education and the achievements on an academic level were much higher than the all-female school which was our sister school. I’m a firm believer that education for boys suffers horrendously in modern coed schools especially with the demonization of male teachers. Having just been a victim of the female hormonal 50’s meltdown which has basically destroyed my asset base I am starting to re-evaluate just how destructive the female gender is, look around you and you will see that almost every single advance and significant achievement in the world was accomplished by men. So by abdicating our responsibilities to women we have doomed ourselves.

    We have become the authors of our own destruction.

    Comment by Attila The Hun — Sat 10th April 2021 @ 10:38 am

  4. “We have become the authors of our own destruction”


    We didn’t write that script.

    I prefer to think we are the engineers of our own misfortune, making life to easy for women.

    Comment by Downunder — Sat 10th April 2021 @ 11:10 am

  5. @Attila the Hun

    There are stupid , new age PC educated or dare I say brainwashed both men and women . The less they know , the more aggressive they are . It is definitely not a good time for real and rational women/men . On the contrary, the preferable type is a person with dysfunctional family/private life , YES people , narcissistic , gullible and impressionable if possible and there is not a lack of them.

    How else to explain the deteriorating quality of services we get from the various councils and other government’s departments , Police , Bank tellers and managers etc. the main criteria for choosing these employees is not knowledge and professional skills but the notorious but compulsory “INCLUSIVENES ”

    This is a licence to employee that kind of people . Luckily , not many countries in the real world follow this very misguided approach and that is why the are increasingly successful , unlike us . We still live on old glory which keeps increasingly disappearing .

    Anyone who goes against the Nature and laws of physics will be punished sooner or later , but the world will be O.K only because about 80% of the world is still sane and rational . I work with non English /Kiwi people , they are laughing behind our backs and taking advantage of our delusions . I don’t blame them for that

    Comment by toni — Sat 10th April 2021 @ 11:10 am

  6. I see the Christian World getting confused about this issue to. They have tried to rationalise feminism into their organisation and confuse criticism with persecution.

    I don’t think that’s been helpful to the Western World when that has essentially been our values and morals and principles reservoir.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Sat 10th April 2021 @ 11:21 am

  7. @ Evan Myers

    I am happy I don’t belong to the part of the Christian world which is confused ha, ha . The explanation is much more prosaic and banal .

    Comment by tony — Sat 10th April 2021 @ 3:42 pm

  8. I have so far been treated well.
    By the authorities.
    But my relationship is in ruins.

    So must comply with them.
    And things should go well.
    It’s also funny, watching humans, prejudice


    I tried to do an analysis of Mary Magdalene.
    And the reality of the relationship, with Jesus.
    After all Jesus was celibate.

    I cannot rationale a male of the era.
    Not having been made to marry.
    Or drunk and not able to say no.

    She ends up crying at the end.
    The reason why, is her own reason.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Sat 10th April 2021 @ 7:45 pm

  9. #8 I think your concept of compulsory marriage is something more in line with the Christianity imposed in early Britain around 600 AD.

    The idea of that being consistent with the Roman era you are talking about doesn’t equate to the historical accounts I have read about that era.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Sun 11th April 2021 @ 7:45 am

  10. I have found something to criticise.
    What a surprise.

    So obviously there is things going wrong for women.
    Especially around the effects of childbirth.
    In real life I make female friends far easier than male friends.
    So have empathy for there experiences.
    As this article shows, many others do the same.
    So cases justify contempt, as the mother is suffering.
    Don’t worry however.
    Her sacrifice, results in an IRD number.
    Maybe if women knew, funding did exist.
    For physical injury, to be fixed, in a timely way.
    Even low cost, subsidies, for pregnancy caused plastic surgery.
    They would be more confident, in deciding to have children.
    Increasing our birth rate to 2.0, or replacement.

    Hey look I created more IRD numbers.
    I knew the money to pay.
    Was hiding somewhere.

    But the arguments seem false.
    As far as I’m aware HPV caused cancer kills far more males.
    Yet they are less vaccinated.

    Virtually no money is spent on males.
    Helping with issues of becoming fathers.
    And absolutely not, unwanted, or forced pregnancy.

    Yet all the funding is for men’s issues.
    Yet 6% of research funding is on men’s issues.
    Hard to see, her concept, of bigotry.

    I was also waiting for wise words.

    “Yes, we are going to talk about women’s problems. But don’t look away boys, this concerns you too.”

    Just brilliant.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Sun 11th April 2021 @ 9:31 am

  11. @9

    Compulsory marriage is a timeless culture of Humans.
    Should Mary and Joseph testify, and many others.

    Even my own parents.
    The marriage decided, by my grandfathers.

    My own.
    Shall I be blind, to my own experience.

    Are boys today not made to marry, by family.
    Meeting the bride, on the wedding day.

    The child that is not his.
    Making the wedding day, full of guilty smiles.

    The condom removed.
    When he’s to far gone to stop.

    The child support bill.
    Threatening, so he stays with the abuser.

    And his children, absent.
    Unless, compliant, her fantasy of happy marriage, is sated.

    So marriage.
    Wow, as so often it’s women that are oppressed by it.
    While I see, good marriages.
    The reality is, far from trustworthy.
    Or moral, if humans have any.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Sun 11th April 2021 @ 10:35 am


    Lucky I don’t live there.
    People like me, get murdered, by litigators.
    Far to often, in history.

    It’s only 3 men.
    Tried by the mob.
    Just a more, humane death.
    The suffering slight.

    The jury absent.
    No 12 to watch.
    As the litigators, conspire, whispered behind closed doors.
    To flee, to the people, with what they see, and hear.

    The scales of justice.
    One full, and one empty.
    They must certainly die.

    Treason be the crime, then.
    Shall I be them, rather than just try.
    The contempt, absolute.
    And my cup full.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Sun 11th April 2021 @ 12:48 pm

  13. I have been on this site much over the last two years but seemingly you are quite a different personality to the one I recall previously?

    Comment by Downunder — Sun 11th April 2021 @ 1:47 pm

  14. $13 *haven’t

    Comment by Downunder — Sun 11th April 2021 @ 3:27 pm


    What can you say to that?
    How evil things have become.
    A persons life meaningless.
    Just a thrill for the righteous.

    Injured already.
    The ambulance called.
    But only a boy.
    And desperate parents.

    Foolish humans, can you not see.
    Hate has no bounds.
    Not for the innocent.
    It has lust for them.

    The cancer spreads.
    And brings death.
    Soon the ambulance will not be called.
    The parents broken.

    As innocence, claims it’s victims.
    The persecutors rampaging.
    Adults cowering, behind bureaucracy.
    While more boys, ruined, suicidal.

    Call the lawyers.
    Busy, creaming, 1000 stories.
    1000 desperate parents.
    But a single gravestone, needed.

    The one too many, but easy a list.
    To heavy for the camel, yet only a boy.
    It bends to its knees, enslaved in fear.
    Loveless, it becomes.

    Only words in stone.
    To be a forgotten gravestone.
    The prosecuted, paraded, shamed.
    The hate, wins its pages of fame.

    Until the damaged boys.
    There hate growing, cancerous, quietly spreading.
    Come to get justice, it will demand.
    Then you will see, what hate becomes.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Sun 11th April 2021 @ 4:25 pm

  16. #13
    Trying to explain what’s happened is not possible.
    Or believable.
    Plus I have got prison time for telling the truth before.
    So I must say little, or be persecuted.


    Comment by DJ Ward — Sun 11th April 2021 @ 4:59 pm

  17. Wow, just wow.

    The most sexually abused members of society.
    Endlessly subjected to unsolicited groping.
    Endlessly offered sex by predatory females.
    Seeking wealth and fame.

    So a crime was committed against him.
    And his behaviour is to be examined.
    Just wow, persecute, sex is morally wrong.
    It gets worse.

    Media bigotry.
    Mention nothing about predator females.
    A few paragraphs on the subject, the illegal filming.
    Then, a bad man story, as the actual story.

    A woman offering sex results in him being bad.
    Humans are just stupid.
    And sexually bigoted.
    These guys, are just prey.

    Wonder what the statistics are. ( banned research )
    The pregnancy without consent rate. (40% to 60%)
    The he was too drunk, had sex with him anyway rate. ( normal sex )
    Groped his penis to say hello rate. ( multiple events, each nightclub visit )

    Lawyers wake up.
    If you start prosecuting women for sex crimes.
    You could way more than double.
    The money made from male crimes.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Thu 22nd April 2021 @ 8:44 am

  18. Geez.

    She says.

    “So where are our specialists? Where is our specialist voice? And where is judicial commitment to victim protection?”
    “Dr Natalie Thorburn says there need to be family violence experts embedded in the family court.”
    “Dr Natalie Thorburn is the principal policy advisor to the National Collective of Independent Women’s Refuges.”
    “It is unacceptable, even cruel, to ask women to summon the courage to disclose their partners’ abuse to the court, and then treat their evidence as an optional consideration.”

    So a government paid person.
    Who is a specialist voice.
    For an entity, only representing women.

    Who now want state funding, more, upon more.
    To represent, only women.
    In the family court.
    While already doing similar, government funded.

    They help create Protection Orders.
    Nobody helps the male victims, create Protection orders.
    And other services, including, media propaganda.
    The article, an example.

    One error by a judge, against a single women.
    Can create a dozen articles, of outrage.
    100s of bigoted, men unjustly treated cases.
    Meaningless, travesties, miscarriages, media blind.

    No specialist required, for men.
    Guilt is virtually guaranteed.
    Will be soon.
    Once the only represent women specialist speaks.

    Only the women studies experts, as ‘victim’ specialists.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Thu 22nd April 2021 @ 4:44 pm

  19. #18 – It’s a real shame you can’t make comments on Stuff’s website. The majority of Family Court outcomes favour women. The majority of court participants inc judges, legal counsel, registrars, court transcribers are women. DV Support services are for women and trip over themselves trying to secure clients and govt funding. It’s articles like this that perpetuate the myth of inequality and victimization of women. After all these years of hearing about how bad domestic violence rates are in NZ (and they are) there isn’t one bit of legislation, support service or program that has had a positive impact on statistics reported. Why is that? Over the last few years we have seen a shift to direct policy and money to improve Maori outcomes. Perhaps a similar approach should be deployed for domestic violence. If everyone ‘thinks’ men are the problem, then why not invest money into support services for men?

    Comment by ErasingDad — Fri 23rd April 2021 @ 8:56 am

  20. There was a post back around 2017/2018 about changes to statements about the court itself.

    Although Stuff I think for a variety of reasons no longer bothers with comments like they used to I suspect that legislative change would have had a significant impact on the editing out of many if not all family court comments.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Fri 23rd April 2021 @ 1:34 pm


    I support this but not in the vein that it’s a problem for women. It’s a greater problem for men as women are given primary care of the children along with the house and contents during the separation period. Men become destitute, crippled financially and homeless. A faster way to split the property assets is best for everyone.

    I cringe at the mention of the Power and Control wheel. Duluth via Shine strikes again.

    Comment by ErasingDad — Sat 24th April 2021 @ 10:33 am

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