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Filed under: General — Downunder @ 12:34 pm Sun 11th April 2021

Leadership was definitely an issue being discussed in the public discourse this weekend without news of the death of Prince Philip.

A long distinguished career as the Queen’s husband has been central to his 99 years, more so than his miltary career, in the service of the Commonwealth of Nations to which New Zealand has long been a part of.

Many reading this site will no doubt have a Duke of Edinburgh Award, from their own formative years of development.

Is it just old school stuff now – unwanted pale-stale-male stuff … as Stuff journalist Andrea Vance so quaintly wrote, albiet in reference to Chris Luxon and other MPs rather than Prince Philip and in relation to who might replace Judith Collins as leader of the National Party, rather than the British Monarchy.

Collins’ husband wouldn’t be seen in the same collective manner and strength, of the leadership provided by the Royal Family.

But there’s a tendency here in NZ to try to make female leaders look like lone heroes achieving fame on their own.

Perhaps Vance married a toy-boy or just sees her husband as a handbag of choice rather than one that needs changing now and then?

Even though Collins is struggling in the leadership Vance defends Collins with a backhanded swipe at the rest of the National Party, especially conservative men.

But she’s Irish of course and they have a different view on that British style leadership.

So, when you look at this, there is no cultural norm in our NZ leadership style, like you would have said of the statesmen style up to say, the Holyoake era, or perhaps even to Jim Bolger bringing up the rear guard.

Do we actually know what we are looking for? I know I’ve had enough of the flamboyant gesticulating that some journalists and politicians revel in. That in itself is quite insufficient and no substitute for intelligent news.

Have leadership qualities become such a vague persona we struggle to see them in any individual nowadays?

Is leadership an essential part of society, where we need that strong leader to quell the riff-raff that are quick to exploit the power vacuum?

What’s your take on leadership today?



    Geez, the guys hardly dead.
    And the hate men propaganda starts.
    Use a dead guy for political points.

    Don’t worry I’ve been watching.
    The male Stuff writers, are likely wimps.
    Never seen them write anything.
    With genuine courage.
    Maybe just touch the sideline, that’s it.

    Who is this writer.
    To claim the queen, is a feminist.
    I have never seen the queen, hate men.

    As for her divorce statistics.
    Maybe after the victim male.
    Supports her carrier, until achieving.
    She dumps him.
    As she wants all the money for herself.

    Hey writer.
    You do realise women use men.
    To support there educations.
    Then dump them, when success arrives.

    And yes the women don’t leave the rich man.
    That’s the reason the women are with them.
    Why leave now.

    And anyway.
    Women end most marriages.
    Not men.
    So it’s an assumption the men leave the rich women.
    When statistically the rich women.
    Is leaving the male, when they get the CEO job.
    Yet feminism demands.
    It’s the wimpy mans fault.

    And the denigration.
    To use the emotive term wimp.
    To label men.
    Who do not comply to feminism.
    Or are victims of feminism.
    Just like the science term.
    For Male DV victims.
    When women are only ever victims.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Tue 13th April 2021 @ 5:53 am

  2. The article is an embarrassing load of crap.

    An embarrassment to NZ

    An embarrassment to what’s left of journalism in New Zealand.

    Comment by Downunder — Tue 13th April 2021 @ 6:30 am

  3. Article published on RNZ from the point of view of the Duke’s only daughter.

    Prince Philip: My father was my teacher, supporter and critic – Princess Royal
    The Princess Royal has said her father the Duke of Edinburgh was her “teacher, supporter and critic”.

    Princess Anne – the duke’s only daughter – said he would leave a “legacy which can inspire us all”.

    Her written statement comes after her brother, the Duke of York, said the Queen had described the death of Prince Philip as “having left a huge void in her life”.

    He and his brother the Earl of Wessex earlier paid tribute to their father.

    In a statement on the Royal Family’s website, the princess said she “most wanted to emulate” her father’s example of a “life well lived and service freely given”.

    She said “his ability to treat every person as an individual in their own right with their own skills” was reflected in the organisations he worked with.

    “I regard it as an honour and a privilege to have been asked to follow in his footsteps and it has been a pleasure to have kept him in touch with their activities,” she added.

    On Sunday, a special remembrance service for Prince Philip was held in Canterbury Cathedral as the UK observes a period of official mourning.

    It was led by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, who is expected to officiate at the duke’s funeral on Saturday (local time).

    He said that “for the Royal Family, as for every other, no words can reach into the depth of sorrow that goes into bereavement”.

    A ceremonial royal funeral will be held for the duke at St George’s Chapel, in the grounds of Windsor Castle, at 15:00 BST on 17 April (2am on 18 April NZ time). The event will be televised.

    Members of the Royal Family will walk behind the coffin ahead of the funeral, while the Queen will travel separately to the chapel.

    The Duke of Sussex will fly from the US for the service, though it is not clear when. His wife, Meghan, who is pregnant, will remain at home in California on the advice of doctors.

    It will be the first time Prince William and Prince Harry will meet face to face since the Sussexes aired criticisms of the Royal Family in an interview to US broadcaster Oprah Winfrey last month.

    Meanwhile, Prince Andrew has said that his father’s death was a “terrible loss”, and his family was “rallying round” to support the Queen.

    “We’ve lost the grandfather of the nation,” he added, as he left a service at Windsor’s Royal Lodge.

    He was joined by the Earl and Countess of Wessex and their daughter Lady Louise Windsor.

    He said the Royal Family was grateful for all the “absolutely amazing tributes” to Prince Philip, who died at Windsor Castle on Friday, aged 99.

    He added: “The Queen, as you would expect, is an incredibly stoic person.

    “She described it as having left a huge void in her life but we, the family, the ones that are close, are rallying round to make sure that we’re there to support her.”

    Speaking of his love for his father, Prince Andrew said: “He was so calm. If you had a problem, he would think about it.

    “He was always somebody you could go to and he would always listen so it’s a great loss.

    Prince Andrew stepped back from royal duties in 2019 after criticism of his ties to convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein intensified following a BBC interview.

    The Earl of Wessex, the Queen’s youngest son, said: “However much one tries to prepare oneself for something like this, it’s still a dreadful shock.”

    The Countess of Wessex said the Queen was “thinking of others before herself”.

    Speaking to members of the congregation outside the chapel, Sophie said that Prince Philip’s death was “very peaceful”.

    “It was right for him. It was so gentle. It was just like somebody took him by the hand and off he went,” she said.

    “Very, very peaceful and that’s all you want for somebody isn’t it?”

    She added: “I think it’s so much easier for the person that goes than the people that are left behind.”

    The Prince of Wales paid tribute to his “dear papa” on Saturday, saying he and the Royal Family would miss him “enormously”.

    He said the duke had given the “most remarkable, devoted service” to the Queen, the Royal Family, the country, and the Commonwealth.

    Earlier, the former prime minister Sir John Major, who was appointed a special guardian to the Duke of Cambridge and the Duke of Sussex after their mother, Diana, Princess of Wales died in 1997, said the “shared grief” over the death of Prince Philip is an “ideal opportunity” to mend any rifts in the Royal Family.

    – BBC

    Comment by Evan Myers — Tue 13th April 2021 @ 6:52 am

  4. 22,000 Events and 5,000 speeches.

    That’s quite a record.

    Comment by Downunder — Tue 13th April 2021 @ 7:46 am

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