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PM Jacinda Adern on Human Rights For All – Except No Mention For Dads, Men & Boys

Filed under: General — Lukenz @ 5:26 am Fri 6th August 2021

PM on Human Right – Except for Men & Boys

Ever wondered why you lost half your home, and all the items in it to a part-time girlfriend? Perhaps you lost the right to see your children? Maybe a huge weekly payment on top of that. Look no further than the idealogical people who get to decide how much to take away from you.

Maybe it was the Presumption of Guilt link Mr John Potter highlighted here. Presumption of Guilt: Rule of Law Conference 2021

That Jacinda Adern on human rights for all speech did not include or give one iota of a mention towards men or boys.

Mothers protect your son’s wellbeing from this woman who has no intention to make his life safe or better.

In my view the Labour party’s approach to dad and male suicide is educate them before they reach their limit of brutality. Before they are pushed too far. What is wrong with “don’t be brutal to men and dads in the first place.”

I don’t know if the other parties are better for dads and men, but it is clear to me this party is not.

All these things that lead to male suicide are detailed in an open letter to the Humans Rights Commission by Mr Iain Fergusson.

Open letter to the Human Rights Commission

What I would really like to see is an open letter to all the political parties to detail their plan to reduce the brutality on dads, men and boys.


  1. Putting all that together, if men are committing suicide as a result of their civil environmental, and a breach of their human rights, surely guilty until proven innocent must also apply to the likes of the family court, IRD, and a sufficiently independent investigation should be criminal rather than civil.

    Comment by Downunder — Sat 7th August 2021 @ 8:13 am

  2. I tried going the criminal route.
    Went to the police, and spoke to them.
    Look, these events are crimes.
    You are required to act.

    They have done nothing.

    So unless your a millionaire.
    Able to afford, private prosecutions.
    It will not happen.
    A lawyer, donating time, an option to that.

    To me a big issue is intent, for criminal events.
    “We never intended, that to happen”
    “We did not know, so could not have intended, that to happen”
    “We were just following, the law”

    In saying that.
    Diplomacy is better than war.
    Prosecutions, and defences, are war.
    So letters, petitions and complaints, are better.

    So far diplomacy has not worked.

    The removal of excuses, involving intent.
    Is very important.
    Accusations of offending, using letters and complaints.
    Makes them, criminally vulnerable.

    When despite knowledge.
    They do the crime, anyway.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Sun 8th August 2021 @ 9:04 am

  3. @1

    There is not a lot of moving parts to consider here. It all comes down to which evidence you believe.

    They have a bunch of woman who must be believed even before they say a word. They hold rallies, march in streets about the imbalance, how they miss out. Lower pay, tell us they are innocent, victims, even when they are overwhelmingly represented in universities near 3 to 1.

    On our side if the ledger, we have thousands of graves with fathers and men in them. Had no more will to live. Now what made them do that?

    Brutal treatment comes in many forms. Being separated from your kids, or falsely accused, thrown out of your home or job. Men and dads are not even invited to attend court to defend themselves.

    And lets face facts, with the unlimited resources of the crown, most men are found not guilty. The toll of even appearing in such a trial is daunting enough. Your name is in the news a year out from trial. If you are a celebrity or hold a higher job, its even louder. It does not matter if you are not guilty, the Government knows there’s no coming back from that.

    Is that one of the simple fixes the PM said she didn’t know about.

    When the trials fail to convict, you make a law to hand over your defence a year out from trial.

    The Government is acknowledging suicide is a problem. To combat that the mental health industry is now the fastest growing. That industry is mainly made up of woman.

    As a first step a leader of a nation, needs to openly say suicide is a gender problem. In my view it is not a medical problem. It’s about being brutal to men and boys. Stop doing that and you will find the suicide rate will decline. Keep doing it and the rate will increase.

    Under this Government, the rate of suicide has increased.

    Comment by Lukenz — Sun 8th August 2021 @ 9:41 am

  4. Equality for men amounts to a loss of


    These human rights principles are managed in a biased way by provided greater civil rights for women within the state sector.

    The principle of intent covers the entire state of mind, and the consequence not simply the success of a predetermined outcome.

    The battle is the continuing manipulation and confusion.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Sun 8th August 2021 @ 10:26 am

  5. Triassic has raised this issue before that we have no clear stated model on which we can all base our thinking. He posted about how we should regard the structure of society.

    I’ll see if I can find that post.

    Comment by Downunder — Sun 8th August 2021 @ 10:50 am


    Comment by Downunder — Sun 8th August 2021 @ 11:12 am

  7. A guide to society, is the human rights act.
    Or at least how things, get examined.

    That is in some ways, a good model.

    As for putting a political name to that model.
    Human rights should be ignorant, of economic systems.
    So we have a social, and gendered cultural system.
    Feminism, run government, with gendered policy.
    Which is why, men are discriminated against.
    Government behaviour, failing the model.

    Culture, can be very hard to change.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Sun 8th August 2021 @ 5:13 pm

  8. I read today of a man who committed suicide.
    He was in a relationship where he said he didn’t want kids.
    And was in a sexless relationship.
    In a situation she manipulated, they had sex, once.
    She got pregnant.
    Although he didn’t want the child, he did what men do.
    He was a loving, caring, involved, father.
    Eventually because of the denial of sex.
    Over many years.
    For his mental health, he left the relationship.
    The mother, was forcing him into moving.
    Or he couldn’t see his child.
    Losing a dream job he worked, very hard to have.
    And feared, he could not see his child.

    I struggle with the same argument.
    In very similar circumstances.
    I actually understand why he did it.

    So for the endless number of men.
    I have been writing, for a letter.
    I have a deadline for it, fast approaching.
    As I have already been this man, in my own thoughts.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Thu 12th August 2021 @ 5:31 pm

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