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Sun 30th July 2017

Court Action against the Government

Filed under: General — WayneBurrows @ 3:43 pm

Some of you may be aware of some of the issues that I have had over the past two or three years that have spilled over into issues with the New Zealand Police and the Ministry of Justice. I will spare you many of the details for now but I have been assaulted a number of times and threatened a number of other times. Court staff in particular seem to use intimidation as their go to means of attempting to control people. To me that is simply assault – a threat of force that causes the other person to believe they have the present ability to carry out, to paraphrase the Crimes Act. In the most recent example the court staff tried to remove me apparently under the Court Security Act (so they said) just for not following instructions or obeying requests. A power I do not believe they have under that act. I asked to speak to a manager and then asked to be allowed to check the legislation and then to act accordingly. Instead two officers jumped on me and forced me to the floor and called police.

Over the past two weeks I have tried to take action in the District Court against the police and the ministry of justice. Most recently that was denied because the court claims that neither the NZ Police nor the Ministry of Justice are an artificial person and so I cannot list them as respondents in court action.

That seems contrary to the Crown Proceedings Act 1950 which at s12 says

Subject to the provisions of this Act or any other Act, all civil proceedings which must be taken by, or may be brought against, the Crown under this Act may be commenced, heard, and determined in the same court and in like manner in all respects as in suits between subject and subject.

and at s14

Subject to the provisions of this Act and any other Act, civil proceedings under this Act against the Crown shall be instituted against—
the appropriate government department in its own name if the department may be sued apart from this section; or
the appropriate officer of the Crown in the name in which he or she may be sued on behalf of the Crown or of any government department if the officer may be sued on behalf of the Crown or of any government department apart from this section; or
the Attorney-General if there is no such appropriate department or officer or if the person instituting the proceedings has any reasonable doubt whether any and, if so, which department or officer is appropriate; or
any 2 or more of them jointly.

I am going to try to take the action against the Commissioner of Police and the CEO of the Ministry of Justice this week. My backup plan then is to take an action against the Attorney General (or the Crown).

I was referred by the court to a case DSW v Allan 1993 in which it was held that the Department of Social Welfare and the Inland Revenue Department were not separate “persons” but just separate administrative arms of the Crown who was the “person” to whom monies were owed in that case. To me this seems to be contrary to the Interpretation Act s29 which defines a person to include:

includes a corporation sole, a body corporate, and an unincorporated body

I would have considered a government department or the New Zealand Police as a body corporate.

The judge last week also claimed that the use of “he or she” qualified “person” so that I could not take action against an “artificial person”.

Does anyone have any experience or legal expertise that could help clarify for me who I need to name as a defendant in civil proceedings against the government.


Sat 29th July 2017

Fathers at Parliament Event

Filed under: General — Ministry of Men's Affairs @ 3:57 pm


The Fathers at Parliament Event will be on the lawn at Parliament on Friday 1st September from 11:00am until 4:00pm. This is the Friday before Fathers Day.

All are welcome, especially groups that support the role of fathers in our families.

MPs have been invited to attend. This is an opportunity for Parties to announce pro-family policy. Speeches, consultations and family activities are planned.

The Event is supported by the Ministry of Men’s Affairs (a community group), Union of Fathers, Father and Child, NZ Suicide Prevention Trust, Family Court Enquiry Lobby, Child Poverty Action Network, Wiseguys Retreat and their Friends.

The organizers wish every kiwi father a happy Fathers Day and hope you will be able to spend enjoyable time with your children.

Contact the Ministry of Men’s Affairs 022 594 8093 or 0274 799 745

Use of language ….

Filed under: General — golfa @ 9:31 am

Isn’t it odd how this crime is described …. “she was a respected teacher who had made a fundamental error in judgement”. Could you imagine an article about a male teacher saying the same thing or would be instantly be labelled a paedophile ?

News Source http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11892675

Thu 27th July 2017

Stepfather-Stepson Relational Study

Filed under: Boys / Youth / Education,Child Support,General — Sebastian N. @ 1:49 pm

Hi, my name is Sebastian Nunez and I’m a Psychology Honours student at AUT. As part of my dissertation, I am exploring the perspectives of stepfathers on building positive relationships with their stepsons (with the help of my supervisors Rhoda Scherman and Warwick Pudney).

As a stepson myself, I found the information on the topic is usually limited to the child/adolescent perspective, and I would like to shed some light on what stepfathers think, feel, and experience when developing a good relationship with their stepsons.

If you (or anyone you know) are over 18, have a good relationship with their stepson(s), and have an hour of your time to share your thoughts and experiences, your participation will be greatly appreciated. The “interview” (guided by what you consider to be important to discuss) will be conducted in a place, time and format convenient to you. Participation is completely confidential and voluntary (can withdraw at any point before write up), and a koha will be given as appreciation of your time.

If you would like to participate or know more information about this research, please contact me at stepfathers.research@outlook.com

I look forward to hearing from you.


Thu 20th July 2017

Where are all the Children?

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 1:34 pm

Natural reproduction hits an all time low.

Our fertility rate has dropped to 1.87

Whether men want children is probably not the issue here. Women are capable of aquiring a pregnancy if they want, knowing the decision will be fully funded by the State.

I’ve heard some misplaced fear amongst the younger generation, but even from educated women too, that they are doing the world a favour by having a single child. Haven’t they heard the world is past peek population – even China has given up its one-child policy.

Then we’ve seen media articles outlining the thoughts of young modern females, that have better things to do with their time.

It’s not an unrecorded phenomenon in developed societies, even as far back as the Roman Empire, with the decline in natural population generally seen as an ailment to a healthy society.

Is Feminist ideolody killing the Kiwi?

Are we going the way of the moa?

Virtual Justice

Filed under: Domestic Violence,Gender Politics,General,Law & Courts,Men's Health — Downunder @ 10:50 am

Video links have been used for some time now, within the Justice System, to eliminate minor appearances, for a person in custody.

In September the Police arrest process in Central Auckland will be transferred to a new processing unit near Mt Eden Prison. Along with this will come virtual court appearances, where overnight arrests will be dealt with through video links.

This is a conceptual change to our Justice System, firstly in terms of bringing people before the court, to see the judge in other words, but secondly, isolating individuals from the outside word, from contact with other people apart from the processing staff.

It is a conceptual change in the traditional role of the Police to now deliver an offender to the processing unit rather than the court.

We have a century plus of court reporting, (some highly amusing records within the pages of history) but now there is a question of how much the media will see or could be stopped from seeing.

The majority of the arrested are of course men. These men will be in a new camp. A vague isolation somewhere between the Police and the Court, inches from the nearest prison.

Cost effective, convenient, carbon efficient, or another step in dehumasing the male of the species?

Wed 19th July 2017

Gender Equality, Non-Discrimination, Yeah Right

Filed under: General — Ministry of Men's Affairs @ 10:37 am

Special Grants only for women to promote leadership skills

Sun 9th July 2017

Protection Orders – Court of Appeal Decision

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 7:02 pm

News Source

This is mostly Catriona Mc whatsit blowing her own trumpet, but the actual decision may be worth looking at for those interested.

Thu 6th July 2017

Presentations from the International Conference on Men’s Issues 2017

Filed under: General — Ted @ 4:25 pm

These are now being published on the Ear For Men YouTube channel. The latest one at time of writing:

Augusto Zimmermann – The Abuse of Domestic Violence Orders in Australia

Wed 5th July 2017

Referral for Auckland Legal Aid Lawyer experienced in de facto /sham-constructive trust court proceedings

Filed under: General — Andy @ 1:09 pm

Can anyone recommend an Auckland or maybe Hamilton based legal aid lawyer competent in de facto relationship and sham/constructive family trust proceedings. Thanks

Tue 4th July 2017

Suicide And The Hidden Reality

Filed under: General — triassic @ 9:23 pm

The NZ Herald has run a story on youth suicide. Any story helping to drop the suicide rate is to be commended but why pick youth suicide as though that’s where the BIG PROBLEM lie. Check out this bar chart and you might see my point.
For the website go here

It should stick out like dogs proverbials where the biggest problem exists and where most help and public awareness should be focused. It is my cynicism around the NZH agenda that I note – in youth suicide the gap between male and female is a lot closer than in any other group. It is the one cohort where you could (possibly) state that suicide is not a gender issue. Over-all, and in any other group, gender is a major issue and is ignored as such by the media and mental health. To be fair, the lives of males have been dispensable and used as cannon fodder since time began so why should any body think to put a stop to that now?

Mon 3rd July 2017

Paula Bennett the Victim of Preposterous Allegations

Filed under: General — Ministry of Men's Affairs @ 7:52 pm

A guy called Ashley Farrell claims he was a child when he shared company with Paula Bennett and he experienced her doing things that may have been illegal, while he also claims to have been aware of other things she was doing at the time that may have been illegal in her capacity as a beneficiary. We can’t risk repeating the allegations here because of threats made by Bennett, her lawyers and retired Judge Dr David Harvey (Director of the New Zealand Centre for ICT Law) about stuff like defamation, harassment and the Harmful Digital Communications Act.

We were able to read the allegations here but we believe they have been taken down. We may have committed a serious offence by reading the allegations so we would discourage anyone from trying to do so.

Some might say that Ashley Farrell was unwise to make his allegations in such a public way instead of making a complaint to police and informing the authorities about the other offending. However, we don’t know if he ever tried to do so. We all know how police often treat men who make allegations against women. It ranges from refusing to take the complaint or refusing to take it further, to charging the man with some offence instead. And when that woman is the deputy prime minister…

Ashley Farrell’s allegations are simply preposterous. It’s totally unacceptable ever to question the honour of any woman. Any man who makes allegations about a woman should be imprisoned and put to death, without trial.

Sun 2nd July 2017

Motion To Amend The Purpose of This Site and to Amend the Governance Policies.

Filed under: General — martin @ 11:04 am

I have not been a member of this site for very long relative to some of the others, but I find that it’s rules are draconian and support adult censorship; specifically the involvement of John Potter who proclaims to own the site and his minions you proclaim to remove content on the grounds that it violates the rules. According to the site’s own proclamation found on the about page:

“the committee (UOF) decided to withdraw from political activism and concentrate on developing support services for separated fathers negotiating the Family Court. Menz.org.nz is now owned and administered by the current webslave John Potter.”

I propose the following:

1) That this in NOT what this site is about, it doesn’t support services for separated fathers, nor does it promote activism. What is really is, is a site for men to express their views and opinions about anything and everything related to all aspects of men’s lives with a bent towards fathers dealing with the injustices presented to men and then more specifically those men who find themselves dealing with broken down relationships and how they are treated by government agencies within NZ.

Therefore I request that the information page and the policies are changed to reflect that actual purpose of the site.

2) Censorship is a harmful thing and goes in the face of one’s fundamental right to freedom of expression. While there are occasions where we are all offended by those you critique us or what our opinions are, that is too bad.

I have been a member of left-wing do-good societies who constitutionally could not expel members who had ideologies that were so opposite to the societies values only to end up entertaining that person’s beliefs instead of rationally asking them to leave. To have asked the person to leave is not censorship, rather it is pragmatic way of dealing with the freedom of expression but in the context of the forum which it belongs.

[ Mod: content removed – discussion about the appropriateness of other’s comments is specifically forbidden]
Does not belong!! This is censorship.

I propose that NO form of censorship is applied to the site, other than where absolutely necessary.

Finally, this is not a complaint about anyone in particular, as I am sure the motivation of those who moderate believe in what they are doing, but I disagree. The site is stale, it is run by left-wing self-centred bureaucrats. Perhaps a new site is what is required, after all John Potter believes he owns this site. He doesn’t own it other than by name and registration of that name. It is actually owned by the people who contribute, without them it would just be a placeholder.

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