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Protecting your children from familycaught$

Filed under: General — MurrayBacon @ 11:43 am Fri 7th September 2012

SFO relying on corruption whistle-blowers

Parents who are concerned to protect the lives and quality of life of their children (who are being forced to deal with familycaught$), need to look very carefully at how they plan to protect the lives of their children and grandchildren. – MurrayBacon

Clearnet News
NewstalkZB | 07:46am Fri 07 Sep 2012
The Serious Fraud Office is relying on whistle blowers to tell it about corrupt and unethical practices.

A Transparency International report says New Zealand has launched no cases or investigations into Kiwis bribing overseas officials to gain contracts.

It says New Zealand’s international business reputation could be at risk from our attitude towards bribery and corruption.

SFO spokesman Nick Paterson says just because they have no investigations or prosecutions underway it doesn’t mean there’s no corruption.

“Probably of note for New Zealand, the SFO and Transparency International New Zealand are currently putting together a training package to bring to public and private sectors alike, to educate, and communicate and inform around the risks of bribery and corruption.”

Nick Paterson says we should be looking for corruption and actively making sure it doesn’t become part of society.
It appears to me that the proper organs of state are unwilling and unable to investigate organised crime (Cosa Nostra) in NZ caughts, in particular the familycaught$.

Investigators checking for corruption and incompetence in familycaught$ would need access to all of the files……

Parents who are concerned to protect the lives and quality of life of their children (who are being forced to deal with familycaught$), need to look very carefully at how they plan to protect the lives of their children and grandchildren. Protecting the Fathers

To start to make plans after your child ie adult son or daughter has committed suicide, is failing to protect.

It is not only men that are vulnerable to alienation from their children, a number of women are also impacted:
The Suicide of Non-Custodial Mom, Juliette Gilbert

Example of delivering suicide triggers in familycaught$ – judge dale green

Breach of justice as a suicide trigger

Judge Boshier links suicides to family break-ups
Academics against reducing suicide gender differences
Ministry of Health Suicide Report Neglects Men
Fathers and suicide
Children’s suicide in wake of father absence
2008 Statistics on suicide keep on coming but not changing much….
2002 Suicide Statistics

When citizens have confidence that the proper organs of state are reliably failing to address such problems, then citizens need to build their own systems for providing quality control onto Government organisations and accountability for their staff. These systems may not be kind. MurrayBacon.


  1. John Brett once got himself into a meeting of lawyers and psychologist cleverly disguised as….well shall we say the lawyers thought he was a psychologist and the psychologists thought he was a lawyer but he was able to get a first hand view of how this court ‘family’ operate behind the scenes and protect their patch. They weren’t of course hatching a plan in the best interests of the child. They use the excuse of protecting the image of the court as a justification for their behaviour but the end result is just as ugly as a mafia movie.

    Comment by Down Under — Sat 8th September 2012 @ 11:25 am

  2. Thanks Down Under, slight correction, as ugly as mafia reality. Cheers, Murray.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Sat 8th September 2012 @ 12:10 pm

  3. I do my bit. Educate teen boys any chance I can. Tell them about the evils of FemilyCaught, women and child contact, protection orders, then works.
    Don’t know if they listen, but if I can save just one guy, then I have been effective….

    Comment by Once Done, Twice Shy — Sat 8th September 2012 @ 6:56 pm

  4. Peter Dunnes suicide note: Parliament

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Sat 8th September 2012 @ 7:43 pm

  5. If its a pride of lions, and a gaggle of geese, should it be a leech of lawyers?

    Comment by Lawyers'R'Leeches — Sun 9th September 2012 @ 8:34 pm

  6. MurrayBacon @ #4,

    Thanks for the link Murray.
    I read Dunne’s statement.
    What Dunne refuses to acknowledge is the uncomfortable truth that the vast preponderance of suicides in NZ are MALE.

    Comment by Skeptic — Mon 10th September 2012 @ 1:40 am

  7. It is not just that Dunne refuses to acknowledge the 75% of male suicides. If you take into account that this is only the deaths the coroner records as suicides. There are those deaths that are recorded otherwise and those such as auto-sides – deliberate accidents. Perhaps for those that have nothing left to leave behind but their life assurance it has to look like an accident. So that ratio must be higher – 80% – 90% – who knows but even if we did know the true figure, you would still have to ask, would it make any difference? If it was a 100% – Dunne wouldn’t even put out a press release. You only have to look back at the passage of political change to see that child support created the position of revenue minister so that the finance minister didn’t have to deal with child support complaints and what caps does Dunne wear, Revenue Minister and Associate Minister of Health. That should be Minister for anti-male propaganda at the very least remembering that he has played this role for both National and Labour governments.

    Comment by Down Under — Mon 10th September 2012 @ 8:21 am

  8. Dear Skeptik, I think it shows that Peter Dunne just parrots what officials tell him and maybe doesn’t read the full reports on the issues. This is straight out of the 1970s BBC TV programmes “Yes Minister” and “Yes Prime Minister”. These programmes are just as true about bureaucracy today, as when they were released.

    It does seem to confirm what Hans has been saying about ignoring middle aged men’s suicide figures.
    Cheers, MurrayBacon.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Mon 10th September 2012 @ 8:30 am

  9. Dear Down Under, in my opinion, the Governments lack of addressing these issues shows that we should be working on men’s suicide issues ourselves. We have better access to the men at risk, than any other group. Often times, men who are being separated from their children, by breaches of natural justice, contact men’s groups. They don’t usually identify themselves as being at particularly high risk of suicide, as they are usually unaware of this themselves (hiding this from themself too).

    However, we should be researching how to open up these issues, so that they can be constructively and safely addressed. Diverting much of the present familycaught$ related suicides, by fathers, mothers and in their wake children too, could fairly easily save 350 lives per year in NZ.

    While the present statistics confuse many suicides as car accident deaths, we will continue to put more money into road barriers and straightening curves, where the speed wobbles can only be addressed, by working on the self destructive elements in men’s culture.

    Similarly, alcohol and drug misuse is a cultural problem, rather than a police or retailing problem.

    Most suicide reduction success will come from people protecting others nearby, rather than aiming campaigns directly at the person you are hoping to save. This is known as a public health initiative. If we can develop a culture in which neighbours provide better and more understanding support, then we can probably reduce suicides by better than 50% within a few years. This has already be shown to be successful in rural areas outside Adelaide, during the 1990s.

    Although the familycaught$ has the best vantage point, for identifying suicides related to their “work”, they have historically turned a very blind eye. I guess they know that their paramount financial interests are served by keeping the highest possible stress levels onto their customers. Why change something that suits you all the way to the bank, even if you are left dripping in blood, that the public cannot easily see?

    The people with the most incentive to save familycaught$ stricken parents, are their own parents and siblings. This is why I want to tell these people, to watch out for their children and to proactively act to protect their lives, from the enemy within.

    MurrayBacon – axe murderer.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Mon 10th September 2012 @ 8:41 am

  10. @Skeptic (#6)

    ‘It is important that we have access to good, timely data but we also want it to be clear and not easily confused,’ Mr Dunne said. So, by his own admission apparently, Dunne clearly lacks the cognitive and comprehension skills to even begin to understand the problem. Perhaps the Labor party were right to conceal the numbers after all; at least that way we didn’t have politicians demonstrating their utter ignorance and unwillingness to address a significant social problem (of their own making?).

    Comment by Bruce S — Mon 10th September 2012 @ 8:42 am

  11. Dear Bruce, politicians are concerned with total votes, thus with the larger groups within the voting public. Suicide and familycaught$, at any point in time, directly affects only a small percentage of the voting population. Sure, when you consider the wider impacts on family and friends, it impacts across most of society eventually. The costs of familycaught$ incompetence and malpractice show up in other budgets, welfare benefits, prison costs, hospital treatment for victims of crime, reduced worker performance. If these costs were considered together and related to a large root cause (familycaught$), then we would sit up and do something about it.

    Even so, the fraction of the population who take even a reading interest in suicide issues, is very small, say 10% if even that. This group isn’t usually in a position to swing even a marginal seat. Unfortunately, in the present political climate, Peter Dunne has his finger of the button.

    This is why we need to help family to protect their kin, who are dealing with familycaught$. These are the people who would have to pickup after the suicide of their family member, so they have the strongest incentive to protect their family from the artificial stresses that are deliberately mangled onto them as they are plundered in familycaught$.

    Forewarned is forearmed. Just with knowing what to look for and how to help, we can so easily save about 350 lives per year. This could also save us from spending several $billion on unnecessary road improvements too!

    It becomes very obvious who are the savers and who are the murderers…..

    Cheers, MurrayBacon – axe murderer……

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Mon 10th September 2012 @ 9:08 am

  12. Clearly Dunne and Govt aren’t doing the job of helping suicidal males.
    How can they when their focus is elsewhere than on the vast preponderant cohort of suicides in NZ – MALES? Impossible.
    So I agree with Murray concerned folks need to do the work the government clearly isn’t up to. Either that or just do like Dunne – accept and condone male disposability as a form of collateral damage in NZ culture.

    Comment by Skeptic — Mon 10th September 2012 @ 10:43 am

  13. At Murray… you say

    “Most suicide reduction success will come from people protecting others nearby,”

    This is where you are dreaming. The perception of those nearby is so far removed from the reality of the individual concerned. I’ll give you an example.

    Man in family court faces severe injustice – can’t comprehend the way he is dealt with.
    Those nearby – Man went to court (perception of criminal court, tv, media etc – not secret family court) must have done something wrong.

    How can people around, help when they don’t understand and sometimes struggle to even believe, (surely that doesn’t happen in New Zealand, he must be exaggerating) You don’t see suicides among those men who make it into the ‘men’s movement’ yes there have some but these hundreds of men a year are dying in the arms of people who have no idea what their relatives are going through and experiencing. They don’t have a concept of the emotional trauma and the intellectual strength that it takes to fight back against the situation they are in. Even though they are surrounded by people who love them, they are in fact still isolated males.

    When you help these guys, in those first few minutes when you talk to them and see the sense of relief on their face, because they know you actually understand their experience and you believe them, you give them a will to live; you give them a way out.

    It is not just an acknowledgement of their opinion, it is a comprehension of their experience, and the way it hurts them. It is understanding, the weapons that have been used against them. They might be psychological weapons but they are as lethal as chemical weapons and conventional weapons used in warfare, and as insidious as the methods of modern torture.
    This is the gulf that has to be bridged and understand it at your peril because you’ll be attacked and crucified for being a threat to the system.

    Comment by Down Under — Mon 10th September 2012 @ 4:30 pm

  14. Down Under @ #13.
    I agree with what you’re saying here.
    Also I think your last 2 paragraphs are superbly descriptive and highly cogent.

    Comment by Skeptic — Mon 10th September 2012 @ 4:40 pm

  15. Dear Down Under, you are exactly correct. Dreaming on my own is useless, but if understanding of these issues can be spread (a form of education?) then many lives can be saved, largely by treating those around us with respect, compassion and patience.

    Through the last 20 years, media presentations of police, prisons and caughts have become more realistic, maybe even harsh. The public may be a little slow, but do slowly catch on. Once they do, it will take just as long for them to appreciate positive changes in police and caughts. In a different way, this too will be a problem. Cheers, MurrayBacon.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Mon 10th September 2012 @ 5:37 pm

  16. Depressed Under has expressed little hope, due to Government inaction about younger middle aged men’s suicide issues.

    It is possible to see the situation in that way, but even the initiatives for youth and maories are likely to have some spinoff benefits for younger middle aged men’s suicides.

    The largest two issues, that make adult men and women much more vulnerable to familycaught$ triggered suicides, are expectation and surprise when expectations are not met. (It is unrealistic to hope that familycaught$ could give up plunder, just so that parents might live, when that would cost them a little income.)

    When we speak hopelessly about the future for fathers, we are offering younger fathers an image of doom and gloom, that so easily leads to self termination.

    What we can do:

    Even when we cannot make constructive changes in familycaught$ behaviour and preying on young parents, we can greatly reduce the familtcaught$ triggered suicides just by educating parents about the practical everyday realities of familycaught$.

    Then, when the familycaught$ coward$ strike without warning, the mother or father isn’t caught so much by surprise and they have the facilities to think the problems through and survive. Why not?

    If we share successful survival strategies, as much as we share stories of plunder and destruction, then young parents have more incentive to live. Lets build a more positive proactive mutual support approach.

    One day the life saved, might be one of our own children… MurrayBacon.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Fri 14th September 2012 @ 3:40 pm

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