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Self Immolation at Parliament

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 6:01 pm Thu 21st September 2017

Reports are appearing in news media, about a man setting himself on fire at Parliament.

It is understood he was protesting in the grounds of parliament and had signs.

You may be able to assist with further information in the comments.

44 Responses to “Self Immolation at Parliament”

  1. JohnPotter says:

    CNBC reporter Matthew Taylor tweeted:

    It’s believed man that set himself on fire may have been protesting family law issues. Police cannot confirm at this stage

    He also posted a photo, but the only visible placard is unreadable (maybe not English).

    RadioNZ report, with no mention of what he was protesting about, here: Man set himself on fire at Parliament – police

    More detail in the NZ Herald: Protester sets himself on fire outside Parliament

    What appears to be a homemade protest sign inside the cordon looks to reference child custody issues.

    Words that can be made out on the sign talk about the “issue” not being taking mothers away from children. It said to stop the “murdering of fathers”.

  2. Allan Harvey says:

    In a difficult to read photo the man’s sign appears to read “Issue is not take children’s mother away. Enough murdering father by cult and lawyers”

  3. DJ Ward says:

    He had been protesting for some time apparently.

    One of his other signs said.
    In Iran they stone women, in NZ they stone men.

    As for the chief bullshit artist (Police Officer) who’s comrades were probably part of destroying this mans life at some stage, I would like to say he’s a dick head. These are his comments.

    …..
    But when asked about the sign, Turner said he could not confirm there was one, and that police were still collecting evidence.
    Turner said the incident was “highly unusual and very unfortunate”.
    ……
    Everyone knows theirs a sign. You can see it.
    Male family court suicides are not highly unusual and based on how they don’t give a shit about the hundreds of these other male suicides and blindly continue with the same practices that have caused those, knowing they will cause more, the word unfortunate is just condescending bullshit.

    He should have said.
    Our policy of applying family court laws in the community in a sexually bigoted manner has some unfortunate side effects. Large numbers of male suicides is one of those side effects. We are very disappointed that he chose not to suicide in a private setting as this is the case with the vast majority of other males. We consider this event an acceptable consequence of our support of the family court and will consult with them as to how to ensure the mother is fully supported in the difficult times ahead due to this mans actions.

    That would have been far more honest.

  4. voices back from the bush says:

    I imagine if he survives he will be charged with arson and public nuisance ,when released from prison he will be put in a Queue for mental health assistance.

  5. Bruce S says:

    @voices #4 – you forgot to mention that IRD will also be slapping him with interest on his unpaid child support liabilities.

  6. Bruce S says:

    A footnote to this story; it was reported this morning that the man who set himself on fire has died.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/97116089/man-who-set-himself-on-fire-outside-parliament-dies–police

  7. voices back from the bush says:

    This mornings news reports:

    The man was taken to Wellington Hospital in a critical condition but passed away overnight, police said.
    Yesterday, Senior Sergeant Glen Turner said: “We are treating the scene as a crime scene which is standard procedure”.

  8. Trish Murohy says:

    Hi, I’m with you all the way. I am a member of The Backbone Collective (cos I’m female) but have admired your organisation for a long time.
    I just emailed the Collective:-

    “Ooh I am SO ANGRY – Newsroom has removed anything about the man who killed himself by fire outside Government House and RNZ has toned it down to a brief item with no mention of the Family Court!!!

    Both initially had photos with his placard shown.

    WHO told them to take that bit out of their report??

    I’ve asked them both but had no reply.

    And no-one has answered my question about why the Collective’s new Report has not been mentioned publically, or my statement that the Public wants to know.

    WHO?! has told them all to shut up?

    Hope this isn’t innapropriate – just want the Collective to know I am distressed (and probably others are too), about the need for this man to move beyond the Complaint system and the Court, to try to get changes from the Government – just as you said in your Report that the Government Executive (although separate from the Court), is still accountable for the state of the Court. (Can’t say it right just now but you know what I mean I hope.)

    I myself have thought of threatening suicide several times over the last three years of my 11-year battle for Justice from the Family Court.”

    Thinking of you all.Regards, Trish

  9. Bruce S says:

    So the New Zealand MSD (Menz Suicide Department) has just removed another male from the New Zealand population. MSD no doubt preparing their blame shift strategy right about now. Wonder how this mans wife and kids are feeling?

  10. Man X Norton says:

    He appears to be a Czech man who was living in Rotorua, and a very good mechanic.

  11. Man X Norton says:

    Rest in Peace. Your signs were a bit confusing but made your concerns clear, while your action cannot be misunderstood. We would honour his sacrifice by ensuring the public can’t forget it.

  12. Gordon says:

    Just gutted and pissed with governments throughout the western world pandering to extremists on the left at the expense of men.

    Locke’s 2nd treatise of 1689 sets out the “contract” between the government and the people. We give up some freedoms, for the state to provide law and order, security, preserve the balance of our remaining liberties …with the over arching requirement that Government works on our behalf, for our interests. Not just women, men too. But the New Zealand Government has broken that contract with men. They have allowed and approve of a Family Court that clearly works against men. They allow a main stream media (corporate media) that perpetrates an anti male narrative daily (some subtle, most overt).

    As far as i’m concerned, I no longer respect the government, their corrupted rule of law is an ass, .. i reserve the right to look after myself, my interest and to work against the state as and when required to preserve my rights. To put another way, from this point on, the rules are – there are no rules.

    With this public suicide, multiple parties have his blood on their hands. You anti male bashers, you know who you are… you really need to take the Red Pill reality check.

  13. Hornet says:

    Our Roman Catholic prime minister will know the significance of this mans sacrifice on the steps of parliament, on the eve of the equinox no less. This mans sacrifice for the greater good will see the restoration of rights for fathers. The right of fathers to be treated equally under the law, the right of fathers to see corrupted lawyers prosecuted for their crimes in their pursuit of greed and selfishness as they harm children and destroy good men. The right of fathers and children to be remunerated for the damages and harm caused to so many by so few. The great sign is fulfilled today as the Virgin gives birth to the King. We are entering a time of significant change for the better, a time of peace and enlightenment. The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truely his brothers keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee. Ezekiel 25:17, Ezekiel 34, psalm 23 and Genesis 4.

  14. Downunder says:

    Reading the signs, I didn’t get the feeling his act was a religious one, but certainly not lacking an intelligent base.

    His statement, I thought was that having no vote, and being persecuted, he, like a Vietmese monk, executed himself in front of their tormentor.

  15. Patrick says:

    I am angry. I am angry because there is little concern from politicians regarding his horrific death. In respect to this man I am not voting.

  16. MurrayBacon says:

    Dear Patrick, isn’t that the very reason that you should be voting?
    Where is McCillicudy Serious when you need them?

  17. Patrick says:

    Dear MurrayBacon. I am not voting because, for many reasons but here are few reason…Politicians have proven they cannot change why? because society is as blind as their leaders. After thousands of years of authority, armies and society, violence still is there dream.

  18. Lukenz says:

    So many men, and now a sizeable and growing number of woman want better treatment of men and families in the courts.

    Mothers and woman using the courts system for a whole range of punishments for former male partners has taken the whole of society down a path of destruction of the family unit, the lost of wealth and caused the insecurity of children. It has hugely affected the upbringing of children and causing mental anguish and final suicide of men, children and young adults.

    Mothers who are well informed not to allow a father to much custody to his children in order to keep the cash flowing at the maximum level should be recognised by the courts and deemed unlawful.

    Delaying fathers rights for access to his children in the courts system for precious years and using the drip feed method as a bargaining tool should be reconised by the courts and deemed unlawful.

    Woman who use the courts system for unsubstantiated sexual allegations for attention, or cutting of fathers access to his children should be recognised by the courts and deemed unlawful. Perhaps criminally punishable if they were completely false.

    The courts should never be used to allow a man to lose access to his children except in obvious threatening cases.

    This suicide was a combination of protest and escape. A release from a situation and life created by NZ law. He did this on the lawn of parliament a couple of days out from a general election. This man did not choose to go quietly into the night without making is pain known to the world. His choice was not painless. He chose the most painful method he could think of. This man wanted to make his life count towards change. He was so overwhelmed with loss he burnt himself to death.

    I know of children who have become adults look back at what happened to them, now knowing they were ripped off by the anti dad system. A typical outcome from a destroyed family leads to far less security, care for children and hopelessness thoughts from the child and father that can lead to suicide.

    I would like to put forward the motion that a memorial be put in the spot where this man burnt himself causing his death. Plain, simple small made of stone.

    But I fear this suicide will only be treated as a mental health issue rather than a human rights injustice. For far to long Government and feminists have blamed suicide as mental issue when they full well know they set men up to fail using laws and courts to do it.

    Using the word “issue” is offensive to me. This was a man who had no chance when his former partner kicked him for touch. He used his life to help others see.

    With of without a memorial I have entered into my diary to go and quietly stand on the spot he burnt himself each year. The date and time will be on the day he struck the match. I think date was 21 September 2017 Anyone know when the time was?

  19. Patrick says:

    Lukenz this report says around 3.50pm Thursday 21st 2017

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/97116089/man-who-set-himself-on-fire-outside-parliament-dies–police

    I hope we receive more information as to who, how and why ASAP. I would like to be there in support and in his memory something has to be done.

  20. Had_Enough says:

    Re 17:- I couldn’t bring myself to vote and I come from a very political family..But not one of the major or minor parties have a policy on Family Court and IRD CS reform. Not one of them!! Kids are growing up without fathers. Kids are being handed over to the custody of the least competent parent simply because she possesses a vagina.. Never mind the fact that she’s a lunatic and incapable of holding down a job or providing emotional and financial support for the poor children. They wring their hands and go on about boys growing up disrespecting women and getting into crime yet they don’t make the connection between state sponsored father alienation and crime. Idiots!!!! And as for that poor man I feel so sorry for him. The news agencies are too gutless to even report on it.. RIP

  21. golfa says:

    #21 I checked in, had my name crossed off the electoral roll list, was handed a voting paper. I folded it in half, walked over to the ballot box and placed it inside. No ticks given.

  22. Gordon says:

    Friday 21st September 2018 at 3.50pm i will be at Parliament with my short private vigil for this man. To me its a silent protest at this obvious silent Government sanctioned male bashing via its various institutions, .. The Ministry of Women’s Affairs, The Family Court, the Police (who turn up at a domestic incident and immediately put the male in cuffs, no questions asked) – that is Government abusing our (mens) freedoms and liberties.

    The media play their part too in their anti male b.s. Over the years its a silent creep of our (mens) rights as citizens being removed, and I for one am not having it. Paula Bennett – you are a disgrace with your pro female anti male attitude !!. Girlfriends at the Ministry of Women’s Affairs – your time is up – MGTOW is here brothers !!! ~Gordon.

  23. Gordon says:

    I highly recommend people see the documentary “THE RED PILL” by Cassie Jaye.

    It is not provided on US or NZ Neflix but is on UK Netflix free. Extracts are on Youtube. Feminists the world over have attempted to stop its screening, in Australia Canada etc.. – as they recognise its truth, and sometimes – the truth hurts. If you look around, you can find it., although you’ll probably need to pay for the viewing. This is a documentary that should be shown in every high school in NZ, and every liberal family court judge should be made to sit and watch it in its entirety. ~Gordon.

  24. Patrick says:

    Friday 21st September 2018 at 3.50pm parliament grounds I plan to be there.

  25. Janice Fiamengo says:

    If this man were protesting any of the fashionable causes, his story would have been front-page news, with a lot of sympathetic coverage. If he had been a woman seeking to raise the public profile of female victims, it would have been front-page news for the next year, with all politicians, journalists, health officials, teachers, and movie stars making it their cause celebre. The obtuseness of western leader on men’s issues makes me furious. My father died two weeks ago, at age 86, and I am thankful that I had him in my life for so long (though I wish it had been at least another decade). Far too many children are being deprived of their fathers and vice versa. It is a crying shame.

  26. Bruce Tichbon says:

    So little in the news on this. It has practically disappeared off the media radar already. Lack of information about the guy or his issues is helping to stifle the news.

    A bit more here at http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/09/iran-stone-mothers-new-zealand-fathers/

  27. Patrick says:

    28- Thank you Bruce Tichbon. Let “Zdenek (Sid) Hanzlik’s” sacrifice be not in vain.

  28. Lukenz says:

    The latest news story said the Police are treating this as a crime scene. I agree it is a crime. Sadly it is not against any law for the Government to set up men to be treat so poorly by others they light themselves on fire. It is usually blamed on the man by calling it a mental health issue.

  29. allan baldock says:

    The ODT has more details today but under the story they have the usual depression and helpline numbers.
    Pity they couldn’t cover the true story.
    Another good guy lost.

  30. DJ Ward says:

    Flanked by two Ministers for Women.
    No smiles included.
    He knows what we know but no comments or mention of the family court or the issues he protested on.
    Security was his focus not the protest itself.
    Bennet and Upton will be quite happy with his performance.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11925229

  31. voices back from the bush says:

    An Article Featuring Sid From 2010 suggests this may have been the time he started having difficulties. It mentions his wife taking his children to Japan.
    This article features a despute over repairs to a Hillman Minx.
    Always were a peice of junk from what I remember,
    The Joke went, “Whats the difference between a Jehova’s witness and a Hillman minx?.. you can shut the door on a Jehova’s witness..

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3301807/The-car-the-garage-and-the-25-900-repair-bill

  32. DJ Ward says:

    My first car was a 1963 Hilman Super Minx, assembled in Wellington.
    Great car, you could actually work on the engine, column change and drum brakes.
    The doors did close until I reversed one day not noticing the passenger door was open.
    Never driven a car and learnt to drive getting it home.

  33. Patrick says:

    Just viewed the footage of Mr English saying he was going to do something so this never happens again: Excellent Mr English….government agenda #1…”bans all matches and lighters from entering parliament grounds”. Problem solved!

  34. Patrick says:

    ^38 My expectation of government solving problems: “The reality being, government putting distance between themselves and their victims” 🙁

  35. Downunder says:

    @38 That’s a grand statement, has it already been decided, Winston is going left?

  36. DJ Ward says:

    Details of his case history.
    His partner got involved in a religious sect.
    He had a protection order agianst him.
    He was accused of breaching that twice.
    He was imprisoned, for those breaches? Or refusing a psychological assessment?
    Note he has S133 on one of his signs.
    He fought back in the courts and won.
    So his imprisonment was not legitimate?

    WARNING
    This is a document that is aimed to denigrate and slander this man.
    It intends to show a violent, narcissistic, mysoginistic, mentally unstable man.
    What is missing?
    What took place to create the protection order?
    What did he do to breach the orders?
    Saying women complain too much is offensive?

    How can he have a lack of insight to his violence if the protection order and breaches involved none?
    How can he have a lack of insight to his offence he was in prison for?
    He was found not guilty.
    Ms Hill is the man hater (narcissistic feminist) with no insight to her bigotry.

    Cult has many meanings in this case.

    https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/97264474/from-the-iron-curtain-to-the-steps-of-parliament-sid-hanzliks-colourful-life

  37. Downunder says:

    Perhaps Ms Hill also misunderstood that his objections weren’t to authority, but to the idiots who shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near it.

  38. Man X Norton says:

    Thanks for that link DJ Ward. A significant matter was that the Appeal judge allowed Sid’s appeal on the basis that he had reasonable excuse for refusing a psychological assessment that had been ordered by a Court. Men might wish to be aware that they don’t need to submit to assessment by psychologists or psychiatrists unless this is required under the Mental Health Act. Just read Sid’s High Court appeal and you will find your reasons for refusing are good enough.

  39. DJ Ward says:

    I found this way down in the distant memory section, don’t bother looking section, we can’t justify what’s happened section, and the editors hide it the back pages section.

    https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/98662652/british-mp-carl-sargeant-found-dead-days-after-being-caught-up-in-sex-probe

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