Families commission on child support
The Families Commission supports a review of the child support scheme in the hopes it will result in more equity, flexibility and information for separated parents.
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The Families Commission supports a review of the child support scheme in the hopes it will result in more equity, flexibility and information for separated parents.
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This makes interesting reading, as it gives the family court’s own perspective of itself.
From: http://www2.justice.govt.nz/family/home.asp
The Family Court of New Zealand deals with a wide range of issues but many of them involve the care of children.
This website explains many of the things you might want to know if you are coming to the Family Court, or just wondering whether the Court could help you or someone you know.
Principal Family Court Judge, Quick Facts, Court Locations, Information for Media, Glossary…
Our work for families – from Adoptions to Relationship Property…
Inside a Court, Appearing in Court, How to Make an Application and more…
Relevant legislation and previous decisions on Family Court matters…
Self Litigants, Practice Notes, Family Courts Rules…
Family Court Forms and help with completing them…
Pamphlets, papers, research, speeches…
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Police hunting for missing toddler Aisling Symes have not ruled out she could have been stolen to order.
Nothing has been seen of the bright and bubbly two-year-old since Monday night when she was last seen with an Asian woman who was holding a dog on a lead.
Aisling’s disappearance from her deceased grandparents’ Longburn Rd home in Henderson has sparked one of the biggest police hunts for years.
But after three days of searching police have found no sign of the toddler and investigation head Inspector Gary Davey said today it was looking increasingly likely she had been kidnapped.
He could not rule out that she may have been stolen to order.
“That is a possibility. What I am trying to do is to convince the public to keep an open mind.”
He said if she was taken to order it would be a very, very rare occurrence.
“We don’t have any evidence to suggest any scenario. Some are more likely than others.
“For example abduction is more likely than her wandering off, given the thoroughness of our search.”
It was also a possibility she had been a hit-and-run victim where the driver had panicked and taken her away.
Mr Davey said search and rescue experts believed after studying the creek near her family’s house, the rainfall, and the water flows, it was “highly unlikely” she would have been swept down the creek before the police began their intense search of the area.
He said the mystery Asian woman seen with Aisling about 5.30pm on Monday had still to be identified and there was still a possibility she had no idea of the search or the grief of the parents, Alan and Angela Symes.
Davey said at a press conference yesterday that despite a comprehensive search of the area: “We cannot locate Aisling.”
Sitting alongside the parents, he made a direct appeal to anyone who might have snatched Aisling.
“Police are still hopeful that she is alive and being cared for and I’m talking to that person … I just would like to say to whomever may have Aisling out there, the sole focus of the police at the moment is to have Aisling returned safely … We hope that you come forward and leave her in a safe place so that she can be found.”
Mr Davey said officers were also continuing to profile “people of concern” in the area. More police were joining the inquiry to work on this.
Police had also received 111 calls of sightings of Asian women with babies, after police appeals to the woman in her 30s who was walking her dog when she spoke to Aisling in Longburn Rd.
As police struggle for leads, fear of more snatches is beginning to haunt other parents.
“It will have a tremendous impact … everything you do now you will be holding on to your children tightly,” said the head of the local community board, Elizabeth Grimmer, a grandmother of two. “Children just aren’t going to be able to run freely and us feel safe …”
In the parents’ first public appeal, Mr Symes, a former search and rescue worker and security guard, described the past four days as “the most harrowing of our lives” and said the couple had not slept.
He read from a prepared statement, pausing midway to compose himself, while his wife buried her head in his shoulder.
“We feel like we’re barely existing, surviving every moment not knowing where Aisling is,” he said. “Is she near us or has she been moved far away? Is she being treated well, things like has her nappy been changed … these thoughts churn through us as we huddle close as a family and we try to wait to find out if there is anything.”
As the couple left the briefing room, police hurriedly shut the door as Mrs Symes broke into wracking sobs.
A child psychology expert said Aisling would now be distressed if she had been abducted.
Canterbury University associate professor Lianne Woodward, said: “She could be very unsettled and irritated, her sleep might not be very good, there might be some crying.”
The effects of such a trauma would depend on how long it took for her to be returned, she said. “If she’s reunited with her parents soon, there’s much less concern. But if it goes on, or there’s been abuse, then the concern grows.”
An abductor could care for Aisling by doing “the basics” — feeding and cleaning her — but she needed her parents for her emotional wellbeing.
A families commissioner, Christine Rankin, said parents needed to take extra care.
“Until we know if someone is out there that is a danger, absolutely, the more vigilant they are the better. I don’t think there’s any room to be casual about this at all.”
But Waitemata police communications manager Kevin Loughlin said: “There is no additional reason for parents to be concerned with their children at this time.
“We are dealing with a missing persons inquiry. We haven’t even identified any individual or person or factors around that.”
Prime Minister John Key urged anyone with information to come forward. “Our hearts go out to the family, we are very concerned about her welfare and we hope for a speedy and successful return of the little girl.”
My brother is in the process of a separation and divorce where his wife of almost ten years has had an affair and called time on their marriage and taken the five children. This occurred almost a month ago and since then he has been going through an absolute nightmare. His wife took the option to leave as her new boyfriend had set up house for her. She took what she thought she wanted and moved out. However since that time she has been returning to my brother’s house whenever to take more items and basically whatever she wanted. Despite telling my brother to change the locks and prevent her from doing this he has kept things the same. This all came to a head over the weekend when she turned up to collect some more stuff and my brother refused to let her in to the bedrooms and in the end a physical confrontation occurred unfortunately in front of the children. In desperation to try and get her out of the house my brother called the police who promptly showed up but then sided with her saying that my brother had assaulted her when in fact all he had done was restrain her from entering his private domain. The police then made my brother stand in the corner whilst she and her boyfriend filled boxes with whatever they wanted and leave with a car load of stuff. He wasn’t even allowed to take a look at what was taken. Can someone please explain to me how in the hell this can happen???!!! Is there anything he can do???!!!
The BBC reports that trials of a male contraceptive are about to begin in Scotland.
The scientists claim it can give much better protection against pregnancy than condoms.
And it is hoped the work could help pave the way for such a form of contraception to become more widely available.
The injections contain the hormones testosterone and progesterone, and are given to the men every two months.
Sperm counts fall rapidly, and when these are low enough couples taking part in the trial would use the jabs as their method of contraception for a year.
Scientists also stress that the effects of the injections are fully reversible.
In earlier stories the BBC and others stressed research that found females did not trust males to always take a contraceptive pill. Early studies indicated females didn’t trust males to be honest about it. More recently the studies say females are concerned that men would forget to take a pill from time to time. It appears that as a male contraceptive pill moves towards becoming a reality, females are waking up to the fact that men want it. Their objections are becoming weak and irrelevant.
There is nothing preventing the female from continuing to take her pill so I don’t see their views as even relevant.
I think/hope that once the male contraceptive pill becomes a reality it will create a second sexual revolution. One where male reproductive rights and issues start to be considered.
Take the following example: a man does not want children so he takes the contraceptive pill. His partner tell him that she is also on the pill. For some reason (new technology) his pill fails. It turns out she lied and she was not taking her pill. She actually wanted to have a baby all the time. She falls pregnant. She could take the morning after pill but she refuses to do that. She wants the child and he does not. She wants to raise the child on her own. She doesn’t want him in the picture. She just wants his pay cheaque. Should he have to pay a very large part of his pay for the next 19 years for this child? Is he responsible for this child?
OK write your answer down. Justify your answer.
Now how about this example: He wants a child and she does not. They both have well paid professional careers. He tells her he is on the pill. He lies. She takes no contraception. She falls pregnant. She only realises 2 months into term. It is now either an abortion or she has the child. She has the child but does not want to keep it. She tries to put the child up for adoption but he objects and takes the child from birth to raise on his own. Should she have to pay a large part of her pay for the next 19 years for this child?
Is your answer different from the first example? If so justify it.
I look forward to reading your view points.
Claws off my Pre-Born, Bitch.! Not quite the words of Space-Officer Ripley to the slavering female Alien, but fitting nonetheless.
We are quite used to discussing the dreadful state of Father’s non-Rights concerning even their own offspring and the total control women, putative mothers, have over the progress and termination of gestation. We talk all too often about our being separated from our children, dragged away in the Jaws of the Family Court. We can see the maniacal intent of Feminists to murder babies in their millions. Actually, 50 million so far just in America since Roe vs Wade.
There is a curious contradiction in Public discourse about unborn babies. A few weeks ago on the evening news in Australia a headline gasped that the swine flu epidemic had “claimed its youngest victim”. A mother on Palm Island in North Queensland had been struck down with the virus. Her “unborn child” of thirty-six weeks gestation had died.
One cannot help wondering why the very same purveyors of news headlines had not thought to call Baby Jessica a “victim”. She is probably better known in Oz as the “dwarf baby” of thirty-two weeks gestation whose mother claimed she would commit suicide without an abortion.
Baby Jessica’s death was remarkable for two reasons. First, the doctor who killed her by injecting potassium chloride into her heart was ‘exposed’. But instead of being accused as the killer of an unborn child – who was surely a victim if ever there was one – the doctor was turned into “the victim” who was trying to “help” the woman, the other victim whose distress was the other focus of emotion. No sympathy for the baby at all. No ‘victim’ status accorded to the only innocent involved.
This is the language the Age (Melbourne) Newspaper used: “But (the doctor) is conscious of the fact that, in speaking out, he risks adding to the distress of the woman, the biggest victim of all.”The distress of the baby was never touched on. She was a non-person.
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Lindsay Mitchell makes important observations about the consequences of our DPB system. However, she claims that
The DPB has made fathering and fleeing commonplace and accepted. Before the DPB men were jailed for not supporting their families. Draconian, possibly.
and makes no mention of the more frequent impact of the DPB in helping mothers to break up their families for their own selfish reasons.
I have written to the Herald and others may wish to do so also. Letters can be sent via http://dynamic.nzherald.co.nz/feedback/letters/index.cfm
Here is my letter:
Dear Editor
Lindsay Mitchell is correct in drawing our attention to the ever-increasing social damage caused by our DPB system, and the importance of both parents in raising children to be the best adults possible. However, she takes a cheap and unbalanced shot at men by stating that the “DPB has made fathering and fleeing commonplace and accepted”. In fact, research shows that families are now broken up by women’s decisions much more often than by men. The no-fault DPB has made women’s ejection of men from their homes and families commonplace and accepted. The reasons are usually to do with women wanting “independence” or new, more exciting relationships and lives, rather than escaping from domestic violence as is often cited in justification of the DPB. And those ejected men are then required to reimburse the government as much as possible for its foolish facilitation of family wrecking. For many men it’s like paying for their own execution.
Letters may be sent to [email protected]
From: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/2905232/Denied-weight-loss-surgery-because-he-is-a-man
By TIM DONOGHUE and RUTH HILL – The Dominion Post
A Wellington man was horrified to be told he would not get taxpayer-funded weight-loss surgery because he is a man.
Ron Blair, 68, who weighs 132 kilograms, was referred for the potentially life-saving operation by his heart specialist in July but turned down by Capital and Coast District Health Board, which began funding a handful of weight-loss operations two years ago.
In a letter to his specialist, surgeon Kusal Wickremesekera revealed that “as a male, [Mr Blair] falls outside our current guidelines for surgery” but his case could be reconsidered in future.
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As said i’m just a little confused on this matter. I have my two children on a 50/50 shared care basis, great i have no complaints on that fact. Where my mind becomes a little confused though is why i am still required to pay excessive amounts each month to their mother when she has a new partner, who earns a similar amount each year to myself, so as to provide for my children? Surely i am doing this anyway by having the kids 50% of the time. Is this actually shared assets and not shared custody? My ex wife has holidays, new clothes, cars houses whilst working in part time employment. Am i funding a lifestyle or the childrens wellbeing, i honestly wonder.
Don’t get me wrong, i have no problem with supporting my children but since going 50/50 my payment came down by less than a third, how can this be i ask myself.
NZCPR Guest Forum
Stuart Birks
Director of the Centre for Public Policy Evaluation, Massey University.
29 July 2009
Should we believe the ‘experts’
Because economic and social phenomena are so forbidding, or at least so seem, and because they yield few hard tests of what exists and what does not, they afford to the individual a luxury not given by physical phenomena. Within a considerable range, he is permitted to believe what he pleases. He may hold whatever view of this world he finds most agreeable or otherwise to his taste.
(Galbraith, 1999, p.6) (J K Galbraith, noted economist and President of the American Economic Association in 1972)
In the critically important discussion about the actual solutions to real-world problems, no set of theoretical tools is likely to be fully adequate. Such problems are, almost by definition, too complex to allow theory to be applied simply and straightforwardly. (Buchanan, 1967, p.196) (J M Buchanan, 1986 Nobel Laureate in Economics)
We place a lot of weight on the word of authority figures, especially if they have qualifications and can call on supporting research. The media often report on research as if the findings are points of fact. Is this confidence misplaced?
There are three very simple points that should be remembered if we are to interpret this sort of information realistically. I describe them here in relation to theories as these are central to academic analyses, and use a recent claim by the Principal Family Court Judge as an illustration.
Mike Moore: Smacking-referendum hoax John Key’s biggest mistake
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By Mike Moore
The expensive, puerile, futile controversy over the ill-considered anti-smacking legislation is a monument to political cowardice and opportunism.
The legislation was never going to achieve what its promoters claimed, and was never going to send good parents to court, as its opponents suggested. Monsters who harm babies are not going to consult the Law Library, and no sane court is going to convict a parent because of a gentle, corrective pat.
Why the multimillion-dollar political hoax of a referendum? Because a series of dreadful child abuse cases hit the headlines and some politicians needed a headline and wanted to be seen to be doing something.
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Under a data matching arrangement which began last September, Customs checks names provided by the IRD against its arrival and departure information.
In the nine months to the end of March, IRD was informed of 4608 border crossings by people with a child support debt.
Of that figure, 1208 people have entered into repayment arrangements with the IRD totalling $20.1 million.
By PHIL HAMILTON – The Press
Fathers are backing a Families Commission proposal for more shared parenting ahead of a review of the child-support scheme.
Inland Revenue will shortly release a discussion document on possible changes to the child-support scheme.
In response, the Families Commission has released an issues paper that suggests child support should be based on the needs and costs of the child, rather than on the income of the liable parent, and payments should be passed on to the parent who is getting the domestic purposes benefit or other social security benefit.
Jonathan Young, a former Father and Child Trust social worker and father of one, said the Families Commission proposals made sense and would be fairer for fathers.
He said most fathers with whom he had dealt wanted to support their children, but objected to paying money to Inland Revenue which did not help their children.
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Hi. Can someone plse advise where i can find info my rights on me now being a legal guradian. I have just won access for my 20month young daughter. By the end of the year I shoud be having her on a regular basis every second weekend. I need to know things like ‘ how do i go about requesting my ex partner for taking my daughter on holiday?’ ‘how long am i legally allowed to have her for holidays’ am to be advised on what schools she is to attend ?’ and what other things am i legally obliged to know about the raising of my daughter by my ex partner ??????
Chrs
Robbie
Written by Barbara Faithful
Dr. Muriel Newman has produced the attached impressive editorial on the chicanery behind the smacking referendum and its aftermath. In my view some highlights of it are :-
Firstly, she points out that the 54% response rate to it (so derided by the anti-smacking lobby) “is almost the same as the turnout in the (2002) referendum which led to a change in New Zealand’s voting system from First Past the Post (FFP) to Mixed Member Proportional (MMP)….. (then) Some 55% of registered voters took part…and an overwhelming 85% voted to change the electoral system…70% of voters favoured MMP.”
Dr. Newman continues : “This referendum resulted with a 55% response rate and an 85% majority vote was deemed to be conclusive enough to trigger the second referendum, which changed New Zealand’s voting system. In fact at the time Mike Moore, then leader of the Labour Party, said of the result : ‘The people didn’t speak on Saturday, they screamed.’ Well, Mister Key, the public have once again screamed!” etc.
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Starting on Monday, the third year of NZ’s greatest week!
Monday evening launch with Mayor Bob, photography
awards for local schoolchildren plus Rex McCann and
Harald Breiding-Buss, among others, as guest speakers.
Free Toolbox parenting nights with Pio Terei,
Fun in the Mall at Westfield Henderson all week,
Raising Teen girls and Raising teen boys evenings,
Dads and Babies seminar plus picnic on Fathers Day…
Visit www.Dad4life.co.nz for a full activities program,
invitations, maps, further details and events…
See also Lunchtime Lectures at Henderson Library…
In this mornings Hearld
Kiwi women are an unusually possessive lot – if you believe their partners.
A national survey reported today by the Families Commission has found that one in every seven Kiwi men say their partners get angry if they speak to other women, compared with only 9 per cent of women who say the same about their male partners……………
The commission’s principal analyst, Radha Balakrishnan, said the report would be sure to spark debate.
“There is some uncertainty over the nature of the questions – whether you have fear in there, whether you have adequate context,” she said.
Long-term studies of people born in Christchurch and Dunedin in the 1970s have also found similar proportions of men and women being assaulted by their partners, but crime and health statistics show men are responsible for the vast majority of serious violence.
The New Zealand report’s results differ from similar surveys in North America and Britain.
Once again a representative of the Familes Comission shows their bais against men and an ideology that views domestic violence from a flawed feminist perspective.
Good graphic here
Regards
Scrap
Hi all
Has any body been able to lay a charge against a woman with police on either false pretence, mental abuse, fraud,making a false statement? Or lay a protection order against a woman? It is a long story with me, but the latest is I have had a protection order placed on me from a person I have not spoken to, seen, or even know where she lives for two years!!! I am sixty one years old, never ever been to court in my entire life. Have two great daughters and four grandkids. I have been the victim of a malicious attack on me, my character and all the good strong great values I have passed on to my children. There has never, ever been any abuse of any kind in our lives. And, I can quite proudly say, I can not ever remember smacking any of my children.
I really do need some help with this, as I am prepared to not only standup for myself in this but all the good women that this person brings into disrepute. This latest episode also involved my home being invaded by police, my firearms confiscated and an order placed on me by a person that apparrently lives in Taranaki and I live in the B.O.P.
If someone can answer my question it would be much appreciated. And if someone can recommend a good honest lawyer, male or female I can approach to represent me would be great. I would also like to comment on a ” anger management course ” as a prerequisite on the placement of the protection order. If I had not filed a defence notice by a certain date, being ONE WEEK form the notice being servered on me, then I was required to attend an anger management course by law!!!! I find this absolutely abhorrent. Because as previously stated I have done nothing wrong at all, this person has been able to sware on a bible an affidavit that is false AND I am judged solely on that affidavit as being guilty.
Oh, yeah!!!! 😀
Almost 90 per cent of people who participated in a referendum asking New Zealanders whether smacking should be illegal have voted no, preliminary results show.
When you consider this referendum was about ‘the people‘ versus ‘the state‘ with all it’s power and tax payer money, this sure was a landslide.
1) In this article Refuge says education on protection orders needed : it is stated that the protection order could not be served on Ms Liu’s husband, Nai Yin Xue
2) In this article Violence in dumped toddler’s family it is stated that Mr Xue, a 54-year-old magazine publisher, last appeared in court in June, when he was convicted of assault, and reappeared for breaching a protection order.
Article 1:
Pumpkin case: Refuge says education on protection orders needed
5:00AM Friday Sep 21, 2007
Pumpkin case
* Stony silence as killer Xue sentenced
* Murderer Xue plans book
A leading New Zealand family law expert believes the death of An An Liu highlights the problems immigrants have in understanding how protection orders work when they are victims of domestic violence.
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FAMILY MATTERS ’09
Last year, we had almost 200 delegates and over 60 organisations represented. This is an opportunity for pro-family pro-life pro-marriage organisations, scholars, lobby groups and individuals to come together to encourage and inspire each other, and be equipped to speak up for family issues in NZ.
The Forum on the Family is for anybody who;
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This story jumped out at me yesterday. An older man takes exercise in the Rotorua Redwoods Forest, a huge public reserve. He’s a bit unusual in his manner. He dares to say “a good day for it” to a woman also exercising who passes by him on the track and this “made her nervous”. (more…)
Almost a third of liable parents are shunning child support obligations, the highest rate in five years. At June 30, the child support hole totalled $1.5 billion. Inland Revenue is chasing more than $527 million owed by parents, with more than $1 billion owed in penalties. Fathers in Manukau and Gisborne and mothers in Invercargill and Dunedin were the worst offenders. A third of all debt is from Kiwi parents living overseas.
This article is a skewed spin doctoring of child tax debt.
1) Only $527m in child tax is “owed”, the rest is penalties that go to the tax-womans coffers.
2) Dunne has had 9 years to resolve the “debt crises”, but has only managed to continue to grow the debt. His actions and his officals advice, which is implemented in Law to fix the problems always makes it worse. If any other group where treated like this it would not be tolerated.
Children’s Commissioner John Angus said parents had a moral and legal obligation to pay. Parents were not meeting their responsibilities to their child when they elected not to pay.
“Children can get a message the non-custodial parent doesn’t care about them and how they are getting on, because they don’t care enough to make a financial contribution for them,” Dr Angus said.
I would suggest that this is reflective of the level of understanding of the Familes Commission on the subject of Child Tax – they dont have a clue what they are talking about. Agnus reduces the support of children to some English poor law notion from the 19th Century . Children never see any of the Child Tax paid, and in many cases dont see the paying parent but that has no relationship at all to weather a parent cares about his child or not. His statement is filled with biasis and assumption not reality and fact.
Mr Dunne said a Government review of the child support system was under way and would assess the actual cost of raising a child, how payments were measured and whether the system was fair, and would propose changes
The review is by people whose type of thinking created the current mess – Officials and The Families Comission – The reality is that new thinking is required.
As Enenstien tells us ” We can’t solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them”
My message to Dunne and Agnus is simple : Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
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I sent an email to my son today on his birthday and share it only becuase it will hopefully remind us all what wonderful children we have, I am not seeking any credit or back patting for this, just thought you might like to hear it.
Dear *edited*,
It is seven years ago today that I held you for the first time, and I knew then that you would become an amazing kid, and then grow up to become an exceptional man. I am so excited to see this coming true.
My son, I wish you the very best birthday anyone could ever have. I love you more with each passing day, your brother and you are everything to me. You are the reason I get up in the morning, and the reason I work so hard to see that your future is exciting, full of adventure and has the potential to fulfil every dream you have.
I want to tell you once again, that the reason I left your Mum to live a happier life was NOTHING to do with anything you had done, it was in fact because I wanted you to have a happy start to life, and through the tears you have cried, and the hugs we have shared, you will begin to understand. You can ALWAYS ask me whatever you like, and I will always answer honestly.
Now that *edited* is in my life, to help me be the best Dad I can be, we commit that we will do everything we can to make your life a success. She loves you intensely and will be your support whenever you need someone to hug or talk to. Together we are cool little family, and I can’t wait for the adventures we will all have together. I love her so much, and I thank you for letting her be a part of our future.
Remember when you are not at Dad’s that you must respect your Mum and treat her with the same manners and behaviour I would expect at my house, I know you can do this because you have very high values my son.
I loved being your teacher for a day, if I was able to do it everyday, I would.
I love you *edited*, you are a great young man destined for great things.
From
Your Dad