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Sun 27th August 2023

In It For You

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 1:59 pm

In It For You

You may recognise the phrase as the Labour Party Election Slogan for 2023.

I thought it an odd phrase when I first heard it and tossed around what it might mean.

Self promotion? Prime minister and Labour leader Chris Hipkins saying, I’m “In it for you”?
Or the Labour Party is it it for you.

How else might you interpret that.

This afternoon in a speech from Hipkins came the answer. (more…)

Fri 25th August 2023

Puberty Blockers

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 9:28 am

Follow the Science, they say, but I haven’t had time on this one.

Sterilization in disguise?
Population Control?

Is it an issue for men more than women?

I’m seeing the noise. Would that be any different to parents with school age children.

What are they told?

Family Court Friction

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 9:04 am

This article is behind the Herald pay wall if anyone wants to contribute the detail in the comments.
This has just been published which may be a follow-up rather the original article above.

NZ Herald senior journalist Jane Phare has been investigating this issue for months, talking to the families, psychologists, lawyers and judges who have seen the inner workings of this system first-hand.

Close the Ministry Of Women’s Affairs

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 9:00 am

Occasionally the collective body of women do disagree.

A policy to close the Ministry of Women’s Affairs is being driven by the ACT Party.

That being so out in the open is firstly a typical feminist, bite back at anything that dares to criticise us, but what we might also be seeing is a realisation in higher society that that the feminist industry has had its day, and now is a damaging waste of money serving no worthwhile purpose in some outdated quest for equality.

Thu 17th August 2023

Act Party to abolish Ministry for Women

Filed under: General — Lukenz @ 1:28 pm

News Link – Act Party to abolish ministry for women

“We shouldn’t have ministries that are there just for a type of person because every ministry should be serving every type of person.”

Luxon is partly on board with the idea.

Sun 13th August 2023

The sexual holy war is coming for you

Filed under: Gender Politics — JohnPotter @ 10:17 am

Our therapeutic state smothers the human spirit
Published at UnHerd 24th July 2023

But in fact, the therapeutic para-state is today staffed disproportionately by women and routinely addresses its expectations to us in gendered terms, sometimes casting dissent from the programme as an expression of toxic masculinity. So it is to be expected that such dissent will likewise make the legitimacy of the male a thematic concern. To paraphrase Trotsky, you may not be interested in a sexual holy war, but the sexual holy war is interested in you.

Daily life is shot through with an ambient pedagogical project that works to create the modern subject, a creature who internalises the social discipline required by the modern state. In one of his choicest formulations, Michel Foucault referred to “the minor civil servants of moral orthopaedics”. They are found in corporate HR, the Office of Student Life in universities, mandatory “Relationships and Sexual Health Education” in schools, lifestyle magazines and countless other sites of adjustment. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 71% of human resources managers are women. In the University of California system, to take one example, 70% of non-academic staff are women, and in American universities generally, the ratio of administrators to faculty has nearly doubled since 1990. Sixty-seven percent of those who hold a journalism degree are women. In psychology, female graduate students outnumber males by about three to one, and have done so for more than a decade. Seventy-seven percent of sociology majors are women, and women have received about two-thirds of all masters degrees since the early Eighties. If the norm-setting, psyche-tending, world-describing, and narrative-generating professions are staffed predominantly by women, does anything follow from this fact?

It does if you grant that there are such things as male norms and female norms, as social psychology indicates there are, and if you further grant that this difference must show up in the flavour of institutional life. Jonathan Haidt says that among women you get “a different kind of conflict. There is a greater emphasis on what someone said which hurt someone else, even if unintentionally. There is a greater tendency to respond to an offence by mobilising social resources to ostracise the alleged offender.” This concern with offence, which tends to maintain social cohesion, also tends to come detached from the question whether the hurtful thing said was true or not.

This introduces an element of arbitrariness, an invitation to caprice. Notice that in this dynamic, a “hurt” may be attributed, a victim identified, as an act of aggression against the putative offender. The great majority of women do not seek power within an institution under the banner of woke activism. But most of those who do seek power in this way are women, Richard Hanania observes. More broadly, due to important asymmetries between male and female modes of conflict, “women’s tears win in the marketplace of ideas”. Such winning often results in the further extension of bureaucratic supervision into realms where harms might be found.

Full article:

Fri 11th August 2023

Father Expresses His Opinion About Parenting Order

Filed under: General — Ministry of Men's Affairs @ 11:03 am

This father’s expression of remorse following his act of martyrdom was sensible given he was looking down the barrel of a long prison sentence. It’s a shame though that so many people cave in to bullying and abandon their ethical positions by later agreeing they were wrong.

Of course, we would never encourage the use of violence against our violent, child-abusing, male-denigrating state.

Interesting that some favoured groups in the Woke era are able to break the law with impunity, such as by trespassing on (‘occupying’) other people’s property for extended time periods. Yet when a father tries to protect his child and his bonding with that child he no longer even has the partial defence of provocation available to him legally and he is treated as though he had no ethical basis to his acts of resistance.

Sat 5th August 2023

If I were the deep state this is what I would do to fathers and children worldwide if I wanted less of them.

Filed under: General — Lukenz @ 11:52 am

If I were the deep state and I wanted to reduce population from 9 billion to 1 billion, I would destroy families and allow gangs to flourish. I would even pay the gangs to exist on that income without having to resort to crime for money.

If I were the deep state, I would take away children from their fathers, destroy their relationships so children wouldn’t have a dad to turn to.

If I were the deep state, I would create a law to allow women to apply without notice to the courts to steal property from men and give it to their former wife and girlfriends after 24 – 36 months of relationship.

If I were the deep state, I would allow IRD to fine men if they could not pay for child support and use that money for something else other than their family.

If I were the deep state, I would cause suicide (now called mental health) in men. I would withhold the statistics for years and never answer questions regarding the imbalance or stop it.

If I were the deep state, I would jail men for 3 times longer than a woman or no cage time at all.

If I were the deep state, I would take away guns from the law-abiding people but not the gangs.

If I were the deep state, I would create a separate and closed court for police with a single judge.

If I were the deep state, and I wanted less families and population I would make laws to destroy men so they do not have children.

If I were the deep state, I would allow false sex accusations from women, pay them huge sums of money for their statement and virtually never prosecute if it was false.

If I were the deep state and I wanted to know and take full control over what people spend their money on. I would take away cash and make all transaction electronic. I would regulate how much they could spend, who they traded with and what I will immediately take from the transaction.

If I were the deep state, I would place a near field I/d and tracker inside everyone’s hand.

If I were the deep state, I would make a one would Government that no one voted for.

I am sure you can think of other things I could do if I were the deep state.

There is an election coming! The only time a politician listens and are forced to make comment and keep or get on the payroll is now. Each of us has a TV station and news network build inside our phones. The free app is called Telegram. Install it. Use it, put it online. Hold them to account.

Tue 1st August 2023


Filed under: Boys / Youth / Education,Events,General,Men's Health — Zane @ 4:16 pm

A one-day event to explore & discuss the struggles of Men & Boys in New Zealand.
On Saturday 9 September 2023 at 8am

Tue 4th July 2023

U.N. Report Seeks to Cover-Up Parental Alienation

Filed under: Domestic Violence — JohnPotter @ 9:08 am

The long-lasting effects of parental alienation are revealed by a woman who became alienated from her father at the age of nine:

“I’ve spent most of my childhood, adolescence, and teenage years grappling with self-esteem issues, anxiety, depression, eating issues, difficulty managing relationships, trust issues.”

Sun 25th June 2023

Shane Jones for Northland

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 8:22 am

Northland candidate for NZ First, Shane Jones is campaigning in some of the smaller centres across Northland and was in Pahia yesterday.

The largest forestry operator in Northland [no free advertising] is a NZ First member and organiser of yesterday’s event.

Jones matched the Party’s determination to root out the trouble makers behind the country’s lawlessness with a message of dignity for young men.


Sun 18th June 2023

Marxism – The seizure and the means to control another mans production.

Filed under: General — Lukenz @ 11:03 pm

OK so let’s talk about some of the nonsense the working men have to put up with, who is behind it and where is all leading, has lead.

Dr James Lindsay said Woke is the new name for Marxism. The seizure and the means to control another mans production.

He said the working class is no longer going to be the base of the revolution. In other words, we don’t have to be responsible to the working class any more. Said that the energy is somewhere else. It is in the racial minorities, the sexual minorities the feminists, the outsiders. That’s who has the energy for a revolution. In other words, we don’t have to be responsible to the working class any more.

Do you feel it’s right your house and belongings are 50% owned by your girlfriend after 3 years or less, just because she shared your bed for 4 days a week? 100% owned if there is a without application to the family court until the kids turn 19, and they’re not even your kids! The feminists are a minority.

Here is another example explained by an ex Judge. Do you think it right one race of people own and control fresh water, waste water, the ocean, the fish, steam? I seem to recall the men dug those trenches, installed, maintained the pipes, plant and pumps. The taxpayer and not one race paid for it.

The Leighton Smith – Former Judge Podcast – A must-hear

How about the health system reform? Another minority having the say.

Maori Health Authority

Finally, how about the minority of people who arranged this nonsense in our schools?

All minorities in society. Those who don’t pay or work for it. Woke is the new name for Marxism. The seizure and the means to control another mans production.

There should be a law for all political parties. If you didn’t campaign on it, you have to ask the people. i.e. no hidden agendas.

SOS (Not The ABBA Song)

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 2:26 pm

Save our Selfs

The answer is, that it didn’t for Stalin himself who died in paranoid fear of life itself being taken from him by others who followed in his footsteps.

Fri 16th June 2023

Meng Foon Resigns

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 5:27 pm

Fri 26th May 2023


Filed under: General — Downunder @ 7:32 pm

Confusing as life may be sometimes I found this extraordinarily interesting.

Looking at democratic journalism in a similar way to NZDSOS (NZ Doctors Speaking Out With Science) that is a rebellion against insanity.

Insanity in its original definition was, (more…)


Filed under: General — Downunder @ 7:50 am

In a perfect world men would be in love with all woman but chose only one to be their life partner.

Mon 22nd May 2023

Prostate Update

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 7:41 am


A World Renown Prostate Expert at the Harvard Medical Center has discovered a “Zero-Gravity Hack” that Astronauts use at NASA that can help men relieve prostate problems.

Frustrating I’m sure, if you hit the play button and found it was a picture. Not recently but I have clicked into a couple of these links but never got to the end of one which have been endless waffle about what they are about to say.

The frequency of these advertisements has increased, possibly because the internet knows my age but otherwise it’s not something I search or show any current interest in.

Quite the opposite, I’m getting annoyed by the quantity of these prostate promotions.

I’m aware the thinking was evolving about 6 yesrs back and I haven’t kept up to date with the changes.

Anyone reliably informed about the post covid prostate position.

Tue 16th May 2023

Loafers Lodge

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 6:27 pm

I am going to take a guess that most if not all the dead from the Wellington hostel fire overnight will be male.

I noted also that the cause is being treated as suspicious.

The firefighter who led first crew into Loafers Lodge said his crew [is] struggling to deal with the aftermath. Clark Townsley told RNZ they were met with extremely challenging conditions as the fire pushed them back.

Wednesday 17th May

Link to RNZ story

Update regarding arrest during the week.

Sun 23rd April 2023

Woman Who Pretended To Be A Man Dies By Assisted Suicide After Realising How Difficult It Was To Be One

Filed under: General — Lukenz @ 12:18 am

News Link Here

Journalist Norah Vincent and author of Self Made Man wanted to experience life as the opposite gender so she could write about it.

Male privilege in the modern era is a myth. In 2020, it was found that 70% of homeless individuals were men. Men are four times more likely to commit suicide than women. Men make up 80% of all murder victims worldwide. Men make up just over half of the workforce, and yet they make up 90% of all workplace fatalities.

53 Year old Norah Vincent ended her life by assisted suicide after realising how difficult it was to be one.

Fri 14th April 2023

Parental Alienation – The grown child’s view.

Filed under: General — Lukenz @ 9:14 am

Mothers do it for property, accommodation, income, resentment and spite. Fathers are the falsely persecuted, children are the victims. But it doesn’t end there. That is just the beginning of a lifetime of suffering for father and child.

This clip is of a man who found out he was cheated out of a childhood without his dad. He thought his dad was the enemy. A very bad person. Someone not to be trusted. Not to have any contact with. The alienation was not only with child but mutual friends, family and school teachers.

As time allowed, eventually this child regained his relationship with his dad.

But it does not always end in the way it did for this father child relationship. Seeing his children from a distance. His child, children being raised by another. Stolen assets, his belongings and drained of his ongoing income. No decent place to live. Death by their own hand often takes the father and sometimes the child.

Now we have a huge number of fatherless children and all the problems that lead on from that. Poverty, homelessness, serious youth crime, drugs, gangs and mental health. Mental health is the politically correct way of saying suicide or thoughts of.

What sort of society legislates this to happen? Our elected New Zealand politicians do, and they have been doing it for decades.

Sun 9th April 2023

In the Extreme

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 11:55 am

Covid Vaccine Wise

In the extreme her young man was prohibited from using a public toilet during what Murfitt describes as “The irrational and discrimatory traffic light system” that former prime minister, Jacinda Ardern and former Director General of Health, Ashley Bloomfield used to support New Zealand’s vaccine rollout.

Earlier today, I saw another meme of an an ANZAC soldier dragging a wounded buddy, and a comment that read something like,

You don’t know what you’re capable of
until you have no other option

What concerns me this weekend in particular is the sudden blanket mainstream pitch from the Government Disinformation Project about the rise of Disinformation and what should be subject to censorship.

More pecisely the argument that brought Musolini to power in Italy a century ago.

A female lawyer defending her disabled son in extreme circumstances and that could be subject to censorship and the rest of the world is looking at NZ aghast in the same manner Italy was viewed a century ago.

There we have it gentlemen and what are we to do?

Sit on our emasculated arses and say nothing, see nothing, do nothing?

Sat 8th April 2023

Feminism are selling something women who are not going to be happy about later in their life.

Filed under: General — Lukenz @ 10:35 pm

A calm and non-vindictive clip on how it works out for many women.

Sadly, they only find out when it’s too late.

Fri 7th April 2023

What kind of society allows government actors to abuse children and parents?

Filed under: General — Lukenz @ 12:34 am

Firstly, I am not advocating for a single political party. But I am aware a minority party destroyed the family court in Australia. A powerful example of the tail wagging the dog that brought the family court, barristers and FC judges to their knees.

The election is now just 6 months away. Once every 3 years, we the public get to vote in who we think might make our lives and NZ better. When we vote, at that moment it is virtually the beginning and end of our input into democracy for another 3 years.

So that got me thinking who is going to make mens, fathers and childrens lives better? I searched up a few important things that would be of benefit. I never use google anymore as I know exactly how it works in my industry. You would be very surprised who your searchers and activity is being sold to. That and often two people searching the same thing receive different results based upon their history. I choose to use based out of Switzerland. That doesn’t always work because they restrict some words.

There are a lot of needy things we are all looking for. Things like lower taxes, better medical, retirement age, less woke. What’s annoying you or the nation most?
My search resulted in a couple of articles.

Scoop News

Some abstracts from 2003.

ACT New Zealand Social Welfare Spokesman Dr Muriel Newman today called on the Government to make provision for shared parenting in its Care of Children Bill – to avoid New Zealand mirroring Australia, where family law is driving many fathers to suicide.

“According to Australian statistics, males aged 25-44 are most at risk of suicide. Research shows that relationship breakdown – exacerbated by experiences with the family law system have been identified as major trigger factors,” Dr Newman said.

“In New Zealand, our latest statistics show that the group most at risk of suicide is also males aged 25-44, with 192 males committing suicide – 82 percent higher than any other group. Since the median age for male divorce in 1999 was 41, it is obvious that men in the 25-44 age bracket are most at risk from the highly traumatic ordeal of family breakdown.
“You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to realise that, with sole maternal custody being the predominant outcome of Family Court custody battles, many of these fathers faced with losing all effective contact with their children – find it all too difficult to handle and take their lives.

That was 20 years ago. I don’t know if that is their policy now.

In 2018 LETTER: Dysfunctional family courts destroying lives USA.

Dysfunctional family courts destroying lives

Some abstracts.

More than $100 billion is spent on divorce and child custody matters annually. It costs the public over $20 billion for false allegations of domestic violence which occur in over 80% of all divorces. Family Courts cause death; 20,000 men/fathers are committing suicide because family courts prevent them from seeing their children without cause or unlawfully arrest them in civil matters for support. It is institutional killing of children and parents.

What kind of society allows government actors to abuse children and parents, even causing death? Socialist totalitarian regimes of the past did this to groups of people. The actual definition of this is genocide through official acts. The longer the state engages in social engineering of families, it delays the day that the state is out of the killing business of families. Death is a product of state Family Courts and its judges and attorneys. They view it as the cost of doing business in the ever expanding fraud business model that is styled as “family court.” and it’s effort to socially engineer American society.

Children and parents will be reduced in health, well-being and reduced to poverty after contact with State Family Court Public Officials and its employees. You can’t reform a judge who is also a criminal. You can’t reform an attorney who is also a criminal. You can’t reform a corrupt, malicious, mentally disturbed parent which usually make the family court scheme more successful for the State. You have to jail these people for long stretches and fine them heavily.

Wed 5th April 2023

Jacinda Ardern – The Toxic Empathy of New Zealand’s 40th Prime Minister

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 7:25 am

Today, Wednesday 5th April 2023, Jacinda Ardern will deliver her valedictory speech to the New Zealand House of Representative having stood down as Prime minister in a surprise announcement on January 17th.

A question in my mind remains unanswered as to whether that was a willing departure or one in the face of no other option, as we know now the process of Ardern’s resignation was not a surprise but a well managed and orchestrated departure – that I question the willingness of.

As I recall, the first mention of Ardern on this site was a post in 2017 [that may still be available] asking if Ardern was a feminist.

A Labour Party back bencher, no executive experience, and a relatively unknown MP, was elevated to Leader of the Oposition in the last few weeks of the country’s 2017 General Election, when her predecessor Andrew Little resigned in the face of unfavourable polls

The Rest as they say, is history.

Interviewed this week by TV One’s John Campbell, Ardern responded to a reference to Parliament’s ‘Hall of Pictures’ saying,

I did think about that, walking down the hallway: One day I’ll be finished and all that will remain is that picture and perhaps how I made people feel.

Here lies the great divide in New Zealand, all that you promised and didn’t deliver and all you did and the diaster you left behind.

The chasm between is so wide Ardern has built herself a new role in response to the caustic social media war and defending the world against the hate-filled internet – that in itself is an extraordinary global media phenomenon beyond this post.

Ardern will be appointed as an unpaid special envoy of New Zealand managing her ongoing Christchurch Call and reporting directly to our current Prime minister Chris “Chippy” Hipkins.

That position will be reviewed at the end of this year while Ardern will also assist Prince William as a board member in his growing administration.

As this unfolds feelings will be intense – earlier this week the current Prime minister resorting to labeling critics of Ardern as being “the fringe” in New Zealand along with the demand, to leave Ardern alone.

Chippy’s Political sensitivity about his former leader and life long political buddy doesn’t take away other people’s feelings.
He may have been better to shut up and not run a close second to Michael Wood calling protesters, “Ferals in a River of Filth.”

The distance between those that walk the corridors of power and the Kiwi in the street has grown to a majestically open and transparent contempt for the New Zealand public and yes the ordinary decent people of New Zealand do question the empathy of those in Parliament and their ability to relate to the politically homeless in particular, who have had enough.

The ignominy and the irony in this case is, that was Winston Peter’s 2017 election catch cry, “Had Enough.”

As for “Cindy” (who Ardern’s stalwart supporters railed against should anyone dare to diminish her granduer) the question now arises, as to, what did Ardern feel?

Throughout her entire tenure Ardern has been no empress without clothes when the occasion has required feigned empathy manufactured for the political response of the occasion.

Once again, a great divide exists between those who saw love and kindness and those who saw a fake – to call out these people as the fringe of your country is arrogantly and ignorantly walking in your predecessor’s footsteps.

Mr Fix-it in the Ardern Administration, may have been able to bury many indiscretions, yet to come back and haunt him but as for the “toxic empathy” of Jacinda Ardern’s Prime ministerial persona, Hipkins appears to genuinely see this as normal.

This is not as many have tried to spin it, misogyny and the incapacity (of white cis men in particular) to exist under young female leadership.

The eyes that see Ardern’s toxic empathy are both male and female, and without any other qualifications young or old, educated or ordinary, wealthy or modest … whatever.

There’s something about these people, though … “this fringe” that I’m quite comfortable with.

They care.

Sat 1st April 2023

Steve Cranston

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 8:16 am

A Candidate From the newly registered DemocracyNZ Party.

I haven’t meet this guy so I can only go by what I have sourced online.

He is an agricultural/environmental consultant (currently managing a dairy farm) who didn’t like the direction of regulations in the industry. Trained as an Agricultural Scientist at Lincoln and has a very straight forward, probably what many would call, bloke attitude.

I’ve seen his lives online. I can’t think of anyone recently who has a clear straight forward manner like this in politics to compare him to.

He has posted a complaint to the HRC regarding Marama Davidson’s CIS outburst mentioned in the previous post.

Cranston is standing as a candidate in the Waikato electorate, where that rather radical university is located.

I’ve noticed in general though, how the feminist crusade isn’t so dominant in the narrative now and certainly after the Posie Parker incident that might remain the case.

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