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Wed 10th October 2018

Man dragged through caught to be taught lesson???..antismacking

Filed under: General — mama @ 7:29 am

When I heard on the AM show that a man was dragged through court for smacking his four year old child once on the bottom, they also slipped it in there that the mother thought he may have needed to be taught a lesson, the Father that is.
Since when are Mothers an advisory to the police force.
He was discharged without conviction..thank goodness, but made to do a parenting course.

Tue 9th October 2018

Sydnee Shanunna Toulapapa

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 1:52 pm

The Crown then appealed that decision, made by High Court Justice Peter Woodhouse, on the grounds that a conviction would have been proportionate to the seriousness of the offending.

The Court of Appeal on Tuesday dismissed the appeal, saying that Toulapapa was the “dupe of the principal offender” – her cousin Nadene Manukau-Togiavalu.

Regardless of the backdrop to this court case, kidnapping of a baby, what caught my attention was the “dupe of the principal offender”

In this respect the noun; a victim of deception.

I’m wondering if this is going to be applied without gender bias?

A Chorus of Casualties

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 12:06 pm

This week we’ve seen an investigation, and unusually, a joint investigation, into Chorus by IRD and employment authorities.

It follows on the back of news last week that two major media interests have not been granted permission to merge (The actual decision wasn’t available but if anyone does see it, a link would be a handy resource)

In a small country, (more…)

Mon 8th October 2018

MENEVENT…may sound like medicine, and it could be..but not as we know it Jim

Filed under: General — mama @ 3:49 pm

This is CALL OUT to all and every Bloody Mens’ Group or dot what ever.

We here in NZ want to see some SOLIDARITY.

It seems that every November we see stuff about Men this and that, so November would be perfect.
“Wait, there is one coming our way!”
“Can we jump on it PLEASE.”
and the kids’ say “ARE WE THERE YET?”

Sun 7th October 2018

What Men Want….

Filed under: General — mama @ 1:25 pm

The difference between Want and Need has been on my mind since I was kid.

One is necessary.

Men are logical and think more in terms of need, to my mind anyway.

So maybe it is more WHAT MEN NEED.

TO FOCUS ON THE ENEMY in times of war is a necessity, it can also help to get through times of frustration etc, etc.

Sat 6th October 2018

Ways Forward

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 11:47 am

If you’ve been thinking why don’t we just do that or why hasn’t someone done this?

This post is for you.

The Feminist agenda affects individuals in so many different ways and individuals see it from many different points of view. Often that is the argument, you’re not seeing it from where I sit or how it has affected this group of people.

What do you do about it, that is always the big question?

Tue 2nd October 2018

Self Litigation Workshop, Guardians Of Our Children…

Filed under: Child Support,Domestic Violence,Events,General,Law & Courts — mama @ 7:40 pm

This workshop is being organised by Frank Hicks.
Frank recently spoke at the conference in Wellington organised by Kidz Need Dadz.
He was very well received at the conference and brings a wealth of knowledge, he loves to share his knowledge in order to help anyone going through the Family Court process.

The workshop will be held in Auckland.

Mon 1st October 2018

International Men’s Day NZ

Filed under: General — Iain Fergusson @ 2:23 pm


We have been working to promoting International Men’s Day in New Zealand. You can connect with us here:

We are in Christchurch and have a bikers’ run planned for Sunday 18th.

We are also encouraging everybody to post a short story about a man in their lives who has been a positive influence on them, or they admire, or are grateful for, to social media with the hashtag #MensDayNZ.


Brett Kavanaugh

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 9:03 am

I’m inclined to avoid US politics and have been critical of others for straying into that teritory rather than remaining focused on our own domestic politics.

I just thought I would say that before I get started. (more…)

Sat 29th September 2018

Jacinda on the World Stage

Filed under: Gender Politics,General,Sex Abuse / CYF — Ministry of Men's Affairs @ 3:58 pm

Our prime minister told the UN that MeToo should become WeToo. It seems to us to be unbecoming and unwise for a head of state to support the ‘MeToo’ campaign on a world stage.

Why? (more…)

Wed 26th September 2018

The Mama’s and the Papa’s…ode to the family we were..

Filed under: General — mama @ 10:45 pm

We are the Family, the Mama’s and the Papa’s and we want what is best for our Boy’s.

But like him our hands are tied and we have all cried, the many times we have been made to feel like we have committed grave crime,
Like him we have no voice, no choice in it all, never thinking for a moment our family could fall, into the kind of place where there is no space, to even crawl.
I am a lucky one, for as well as a son, I have a daughter who has two of her own, so you see at least I have two grandchildren I will always know, not the three I knew, just the two that remain.

A meeting concerned about the welfare of men

Filed under: General — Paul Catton @ 8:56 pm

An anonymous poster “Audi Alteram Partem” has provided an initiative to go further than keyboard venting and wishes to engage with our dis-affected men.
To date there are 66 comments, bitching pro and con, upon this initiative and perhaps a handful of RSVP’s.
John Potter (site administrator) has advised, he will be in attendance.
I have also given assurance of my attendance.
Representatives of MOMA have guaranteed safe haven with Opal and I.

Please keep any negativity/trolling/controversy to the original post Concerned About Men Meeting – Saturday 3rd November

Please use the comments section of this post solely for registering possibility of attendance.
User name (your location optional, might be beneficial though for car-pooling).

John, please use extreme moderation to keep this register untainted.

The Feminist Cult of NZ

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 12:13 pm

Nearly 5,000,000 people; how could a country like New Zealand be a cult?

Sounds rediculous doesn’t it?

We are used to a central misguided figurehead gathering a few gullible followers in an isolated place and creating the myth that absorbs them for the individual purpose. A transfer of purpose … temporarily, as these institutions of manipulation and self interest are routinely dismantled by the authority of mainstream society.

Consider for a moment, (more…)

What Women Want

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 12:25 am

RNZ Podcast

Parental Alienation is a discreted syndrome.
(Where did that come from?)

Fri 21st September 2018

Concerned About Men Meeting – Saturday 3rd November

Filed under: Events,General — Audi Alteram Partem @ 11:35 pm

I’m new to this forum but on looking through past threads the expression “couldn’t organise a piss-up in a brewery” comes to mind. Last year there was supposed to be a meeting in Auckland on the 4 November about which there were many, many, many comments but as I understand it no action.

So… There will be a meeting of people concerned about men. It will start with lunch being served at 1pm on Saturday the 3rd of November 2018. There will be no alcohol at lunch. At 2pm the meeting will commence and the attendees will decide how formal the meeting will be and who (if anyone) to appoint as chair and scribe. The meeting will focus on what actions we can take to mitigate or eliminate harms being foisted on men by widely held but erroneous beliefs about men. It will be about strategy and action. (more…)

Wed 19th September 2018

125 Years of Feminist Stupidity

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 8:14 am

No apologetic opening statement.

Today we will be subjected to the insufferable mouth pieces of New Zealand Feminism and who knows what that might produce.

When you see it out there, or if it infests your ears, comment and link to it here.

The bottom line …

Something like a hot-line, for those suffering total disbelief.

Tue 18th September 2018

Summer Times is Time for a Concert,.. surely?

Filed under: General — mama @ 2:56 pm

Long Summer nights in the City, we get to invite the bridge and rough sleeper guys, maybe the sallies will come, It’ll be like the seventies or at least a little bit West Side ( without the boozie allnighters of course )..

Why not organise a concert to raise awareness and money for the cause, double up as a convention and have real help stops.

Everyone has the right to do this surely?

Would it be opposed?

Dumb idea?

Timeline for Men to catch up

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 12:39 pm

Each time a new voice appears in the room it is often without any knowledge of what has happened before their arrival. There is always the awakening that history is part of where ever we are now.

There is often some distance between personal views and opinions and respective actions.

We could create a Timeline of events and links.

Comment on dates and events you are aware of, activities by groups, specific achievements that might develop the resource.

See our Timeline of Remembrance (more…)

Wed 12th September 2018

The Relationship Killer

Filed under: General — mama @ 9:15 pm

It’s the BIG,,, the BAD,,,,it’s RESENTMENT!

# and it tends to stem from,

#- What we feel someone did to us which was unnecessary mean or hurtful
#- What someone did not do for us
#- How we feel when someone has not done enough for us

I do not know too many men who would dwell on the above three things…does this mean that women feel more resentment,, and these feelings, do they surface because of unrealistic expectations (todays standards of)…are woman throwing a wobbly,spitting the dummy, behaving like spoiled children???

Take another selfie girls, remember to pout your best face forward.

# these from article
the main line of this post was taken from an article by Jill Goldson, she is on the Little Mr panel, and I have to say it gives me some faith that she be there.


Filed under: General — mama @ 7:53 pm

I read in a magazine the other day, in an article about Dads and his qualities,,

it said….’.Remember,, you wouldn’t BE a dad if it wasn’t for your kids mum!’

Yes I think sexual education is an issue after all…unfortunately babies are being confused with welfare.

Business to pay extra leave to Victims…

Filed under: General — mama @ 1:14 pm

Jan Logies’ Bill has passed, 10 days leave for domestic violence victims,,, as a previous employer in small business, I would baulk at the possibility of taking on a lady of that age for fear of becoming embroiled in her domestic problems, no one is ever going to see the other side of the story , maybe the woman has got serious mental issues, juggling babies and relationships is no mean task, but to constantly be told that as a woman you can simply blame the man in your life for all your problems, that is wrong, so wrong … A BIG and scary problem is the growing grey area of what “violence” is said to include, it may soon include text bullying etc, etc…. still snow balling in a dire direction for more men, I am supposing that small business owners are mainly men …

MAGGIE BARRY,, North Shore, National says…

We support the spirit of the bill, absolutely, but look at what it seeks to do. The bill proposes to make changes to five Acts: the Domestic Violence Act, the Employment Relations Act, the Health and Safety at Work Act, the Holidays Act, and the Human Rights Act. When we look at the Employment Relations Act, to allow employees who are victims of domestic violence to request a variation of their working arrangements and then, under the Holidays Act, to have those 10 days’ paid leave, we are starting to see building up a situation that is very difficult, and very difficult to sustain long term for a small business in terms of there being any of the opportunities that might exist to support somebody who has been a victim of domestic violence. When we were in the committee, and in reading the papers and the advice from officials, we were provided with many examples of employers who are doing the right thing, who are recognising and providing appropriate support, flexibility, and leave for employees who are affected by domestic violence and who need to suddenly go and see a lawyer, go and take their children from school to medical appointments, and so forth. Any of us who have raised a family know very well how quickly we need to be able to respond as parents to the needs of our family, particularly if we are also in a situation where there is a domestic violence overlay.

Tue 11th September 2018

Young Men, Mature Ladies..,,the trouble with it…

Filed under: General — mama @ 5:06 pm

We talk about the lack of marrying kind gals,,, and there does seem to be a lack of them in my area of South Auckland, at least for the young men I know, two of my sons best friends, another friend in common, my own son and two of my nephews whom live in the sunny BOP. All of them have had relationships with older women.

The pitfalls I have heard about are varied and no doubt the advantages too.

Its sure seems a big ask for a young man to all of a sudden be dealing with adult children of this older woman, sometimes a young child or two as well an awl..

It also seems a big ask for him to be living in her circumstances, often her home and her already organised life. He can fit in , but he will never be financially connected. It is not like, ” hey, you want to buy a house together?”..she is often house secure, he will never get this chance, so what are the advantages???

Oh, I know, one advantage, He can leave any time he likes….
and if one of the babies is his, that’s okay, he will pay and she will receive, certainly no risk factor there, for her..


Filed under: General — Downunder @ 11:14 am

Our Modern Plunket

Plunket in my view was a organization to help mothers, not one that I viewed as a child watch dog.

In an internal Plunket document obtained by RNZ, the child welfare group said there could be fewer home visits and parents might have to travel further to clinics if they had the resources to.

In terms of men’s issues (more…)

Sex Offender Walks Free

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 10:34 am

This story from Australia

A former female staff member of a prestigious school has walked from court after being handed an “extraordinarily lenient” suspended jail sentence for having sex with five male students in her care.

NSW District Court acting judge Christopher Armitage said a “toxic culture” had developed in The Armidale School boarding house in which the 25-year-old woman slept with students aged between 15 and 17 after inviting them into her room in late 2014 and 2015.

Judge Armitage said it was “difficult to see” how an immature young woman of her age and experience was chosen to sleep overnight in a boarding house with young teenage males.

And it wasn’t her fault, given a job she was not qualified for?

… evidence by the woman’s mother that the school didn’t take “correct responsibility for the affair” and employed a “junior, unqualified member of staff” in the boarding house without appropriate support.

Mon 10th September 2018


Filed under: General — mama @ 1:17 pm

Is it possible that Man pushed too far to keep Woman from burgeoning ever forward…and if so are Woman now not doing exactly the same thing…but worse..

Is this revenge???? (more…)

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